texascavers Digest 28 May 2010 13:11:59 -0000 Issue 1062 Topics (messages 14912 through 14919):
Re: Cookout Report # 6
14912 by: Fritz Holt
14915 by: wa5pok.peoplepc.com
Krubera
14913 by: Mark Minton
Re: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont!
14914 by: Dave H. Crusoe
Re: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
14916 by: Geary Schindel
14918 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
14919 by: Heather Tucek
Re: Call to Action - Discovery Channel teaches viewers how to kill bats.
14917 by: Fofo
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--- Begin Message ---You choose whichever one is appropriate but I was referring to Roger's dog or mine if I had one. However, at my house I'm usually in the dog house. Fritz ________________________________ From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:14 PM To: Fritz Holt; cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Are we talking about dogs, kids, or wives? (I'm gonna get in trouble for that last one!). Mark From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:06 PM To: Alman, Mark @ EOS; cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I wouldn't let him on my bed (they have dirty feet and most have fleas). And besides, I have a hard enough time getting a good night's sleep as it is. Geezer ________________________________ From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:08 PM To: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I know what I would do with him, Roger! Mark From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his luck at this point. And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without restlessness. Roger Moore GHG
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--- Begin Message ---"How to wok your dog" ~F~ > > I know what I would do with him, Roger! > > > Mark > > > > From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 > > > Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers > (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed > after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently > actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I > will roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite > that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, > but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is > pushing his luck at this point. > > > And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and > without restlessness. Roger Moore > > > > GHG > >
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--- Begin Message --- There is information on the 2009 Krubera expedition at <http://nalga.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/the-call-of-the-abyss-the-second-branch-in-krubera-cave-has-pushed-to-1554-m/> and <http://www.network.speleogenesis.info/directory/exploration/krubera.php>. There's a neat 3-D view of the cave on that last site. Krubera is the world's deepest cave and the only one over 2000 m deep. It has a "side" passage that goes over 1000 m deep independent of the main passage! (This is one of the caves covered in the new book Blind Descent. The author will be at the NSS Convention in Vermont and will speak about the book during the International Exploration session, which I co-chair with Yvonne Droms.)Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.netPermanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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--- Begin Message ---Hey y'all,I'm not sure what kind of logistics we can assist with, but get in touch if you'd like to check out Boston / want a place to crash / need a ride up to the convention.There aren't many caves *right* around here, but we could probably catch a couple on the ride north...Cheers! --Dave (Boston Grotto, too!) On May 27, 2010, at 2:05 AM, David wrote:I just checked Continental flights out of Houston, and it is around $ 400 to go.There was a $ 328 ticket, if you are willing to leave out Wednesday July 28, andskip the banquet and have a 4 hour layover.So if you want to stay for the banquet and fly out on Saturday or Sunday, thatwill add an extra $ 125 or more to the cost of your flight. Ref.: http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/apps/booking/flight/searchResultDates.aspx I am pretty sure I need to sit this one out this year. I may never have a reason to go to Vermont if I don't go to this convention. http://www.nss2010.com/default.php --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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--- Begin Message ---Graham Schindel sent me this. Geary Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should. Cavers, Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if WNS isn't enough... --------------------- A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear Grylls gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows Grylls throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats, swatting them to the ground and then stomping on them, has aired internationally and been posted on YouTube, allowing for continued access. Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this clip perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate senseless copycat activity and/or the type of vandalism that is driving many bat species to the brink of extinction. Only four months ago, a Kentucky man was sentenced to eight months in jail after pleading guilty to beating to death 105 endangered Indiana bats. Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message by filling out the feedback<http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations> form on Discovery Communications website. Let the Discovery executives know: * This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts * Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and pollinate a variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss of a single species can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem. * Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing them-may be illegal depending on the species and country. * We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born Survivor and related footage is not aired again and thatthis footage<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guSY9bTdwI4> is removed from Youtube, the Discovery Channel website and all other communications * We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to forward conservation efforts. Best regards, Nina Fascione Executive Director Bat Conservation International P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend.
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Grylls is an idiot, like most reality show folks.
May 28, 2010 07:51:57 AM, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote:Graham Schindel sent me this.
Geary
Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should.
Cavers,
Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if WNS isn't enough...
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A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear Grylls gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows Grylls throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats, swatting them to the ground and then stomping on them, has aired internationally and been posted on YouTube, allowing for continued access.
Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this clip perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate senseless copycat activity and/or the type of vandalism that is driving many bat species to the brink of extinction. Only four months ago, a Kentucky man was sentenced to eight months in jail after pleading guilty to beating to death 105 endangered Indiana bats.
Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message by filling out the feedback form on Discovery Communications website. Let the Discovery executives know:
· This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts
· Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and pollinate a variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss of a single species can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem.
· Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing them-may be illegal depending on the species and country.
· We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born Survivor and related footage is not aired again and thatthis footage is removed from Youtube, the Discovery Channel website and all other communications
· We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to forward conservation efforts.
Best regards,
Nina Fascione
Executive Director
Bat Conservation InternationalP.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend.
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--- Begin Message ---Unfortunately, so are a lot of non-television people... I can see this being a very bad thing. On 28 May 2010 08:02, <tbsam...@verizon.net> wrote: > > Grylls is an idiot, like most reality show folks. > > > May 28, 2010 07:51:57 AM, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: > > Graham Schindel sent me this. > > Geary > > Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should. > > Cavers, > > Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if WNS isn't > enough... > > --------------------- > > A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear Grylls > gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows Grylls > throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats, swatting them to the > ground and then stomping on them, has aired internationally and been posted > on YouTube, allowing for continued access. > > Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this clip > perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate senseless > copycat activity and/or the type of vandalism that is driving many bat > species to the brink of extinction. Only four months ago, a Kentucky man was > sentenced to eight months in jail after pleading guilty to beating to death > 105 endangered Indiana bats. > > Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message by > filling out the feedback <http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations> form > on Discovery Communications website. Let the Discovery executives know: > > · This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts > > · Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat > agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and pollinate > a variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss of a single > species can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem. > > · Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing > them-may be illegal depending on the species and country. > > · We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born > Survivor and related footage is not aired again and thatthis > footage<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guSY9bTdwI4> is > removed from Youtube, the Discovery Channel website and all other > communications > > · We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to forward > conservation efforts. > > Best regards, > > Nina Fascione > Executive Director > Bat Conservation International > > P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit > our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: > texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: > texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
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--- Begin Message ---Hola, >From the Western Region list, posted by Doug Billings. - Fofo ----------------------- I just got this from BCI. I am speechless except for one word One word "F----" Discovery Channel ! Here is a segment of the disgusting video on You tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYAoAdY6UMA. Doug Billings Cathedralcaves.org A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear Grylls gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows Grylls throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats, swatting them to the ground and then stomping on them, has aired internationally and been posted on YouTube, allowing for continued access. Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this clip perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate senseless copycat activity and/or the type of vandalism that is driving many bat species to the brink of extinction. Only four months ago, a Kentucky man was sentenced to eight months in jail after pleading guilty to beating to death 105 endangered Indiana bats. Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message by filling out the feedback form on Discovery Communications website. Let the Discovery executives know: This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and pollinate a variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss of a single species can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem. Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing them-may be illegal depending on the species and country. We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born Survivor and related footage is not aired again and that this footage is removed from Youtube, the Discovery Channel website and all other communications We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to forward conservation efforts. Best regards, Nina FascioneExecutive DirectorBat Conservation International P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend. If you do not wish to receive emails from BCI click here
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