texascavers Digest 24 Feb 2010 17:32:05 -0000 Issue 989
Topics (messages 13929 through 13938):
Re: grotto culture
13929 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
13931 by: caverarch.aol.com
13937 by: Fritz Holt
Re: remove me from CaveTex
13930 by: Charles Goldsmith
Re: Nico sez: they dont just practice their marksmanship shooting live targets
13932 by: Nico Escamilla
Re: Travel along the US Mexico border
13933 by: Bruce Anderson
13934 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
13935 by: Don Arburn
13938 by: Bruce Anderson
Re: snakes? (and other venomous critters)
13936 by: Gill Edigar
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Groan!
Mark
________________________________
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 2/24/2010 10:08 AM
To: 'Geary Schindel'; David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] grotto culture
Surely you joust.
-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:58 AM
To: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] grotto culture
David,
It was nice to see you at the Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday. Nice description
of the various grottos. I was wondering if the grotto that has a Knights of
the Round Table setting speak in old English and did they call each other "Sir
so and so" a lot.
Geary
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Oh, no, not there again! And do you really want to know?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Brooks <[email protected]>
To: Geary Schindel <[email protected]>
Cc: David <[email protected]>; Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 9:12 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] grotto culture
Another question: do any members of any of the grottoes carry concealed
firearms to grotto meetings?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2010, at 7:58 AM,
Geary Schindel <[email protected]> wrote:David,It was nice to see
you at the Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday. Nice description of the various
grottos. I was wondering if the grotto that has a Knights of the Round Table
setting speak in old English and did they call each other "Sir so and so" a
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Well, I liked it. My attempt at humor has always been feeble (corny).
Fritz
________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:16 AM
To: Fritz Holt; Geary Schindel; David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] grotto culture
Groan!
Mark
________________________________
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 2/24/2010 10:08 AM
To: 'Geary Schindel'; David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] grotto culture
Surely you joust.
-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:58 AM
To: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] grotto culture
David,
It was nice to see you at the Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday. Nice description
of the various grottos. I was wondering if the grotto that has a Knights of
the Round Table setting speak in old English and did they call each other "Sir
so and so" a lot.
Geary
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AOL makes it difficult at times get removed for some reason that I
can't explain. You are removed. I'm sorry that a new caver is
running you off, I personally just hit the delete button :)
Yes, I plan to be at CaCa on May 8th, so hope to see you there!
Charles
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:50 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Charles,
>
> I have tried twice to get off the list..if this isn't the way, please send
> instructions.
>
> Minnow's multiple responses were enough to drive me over the edge.
>
> Are you going to the May 8 rock haul? Hope to see you there.
>
> Martha in Sandia Park.
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Sounds like you didnt get shot at all did you? People get "relieved" of cash
and/or beer
all the time, but that doesnt mean that our rather corrupt law enforcement
will just shoot
you for no reason (not stopping at an army checkpoint will turn your car
into a strainer, but I digress) my advice for y'all coming into Mexico is:
learn how to bribe without getting ripped off
first tell them to write you a ticket, they might hold your license, big
deal! thats property of your state/country, just get a new one when you get
back home, they'll usually let you go if you insist that they write you a
ticket specially if they stopped you for no reason. Now, if you did screw up
and you know it, get a smaller note out like 100 pesos and say thats all
you've got or are willing to give them, most will take it off your hands
before you can say huh? If they're set in getting more money from you go
back to step 1 and tell them to write you a ticket, go back home, get new
license. One other thing that helps is having your camera handy when getting
pulled over, take pictures or video of the officer trying to bribe you, some
are ignorant to the point of posing for it but this is a two edged sword as
some other officer might try to get it off your hands since you have proof
of their corruption. Again, use common sense, be nice to the police and
you'll be out of trouble.
this is quite the lengthy subject, if someone wishes to keep discussing it,
I suggest we take it to the OT list,
Nico
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> One fine day not too far south of Juarez I was tootling along when I ran
> into a checkpoint manned by a bunch of guys in orange jumpsuits who I
> presumed to be Federales. They were massively armed with all sorts of high
> powered automatic and semiautomatic rifles and pistols which they were
> unloading like armageddon at a large number of whiskey and tequila bottles
> lined up on the hillside by the road. From that and their staggering and
> swaggering demeanor I quickly concluded that they were dead drunk and that I
> was soon to be dead, or at the very least relieved of some cash. Not to
> worry though, for I had taken the precaution of bringing a suitable supply
> of the universal solvent. No, not money, beer! When in Mexico I alway carry
> two coolers, one filled with good Mexican beer which I consume myself, and
> one filled with Budweiser for the Feds. So when they started to rip apart my
> truck in search of whatever I simply directed them to look in cooler B.
> There they found the very contraband they were looking for. Problem solved!
> And to think that some poor fools suppose that guns and alcohol don't mix!
>
>
>
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I actually live in deep south Texas in McAllen. I was in Juarez the first of
the month and I can tell you that it is just as bad here as there only they
keep it quiet around here. The problem is that you need to be very aware of
your surroundings. Bullets do not care what is in their path. The US
officials were on high alert down here twice last week with swat teams at the
crossings because they thought it might spill over into the US.
I am in and out Mexico doing business very frequently and all I can say is be
very aware of your surroundings and be careful where you go. You may still get
caught in the cross fire. There have been two gun fights one in Matamoros and
one in Reynosa in the shopping malls in the past week.
As far as the Mexican officials are concerned, I have learned how to pay the
bribe game and never had and major problems other than spending time and bribe
money getting it done. I can tell you this. I do not mind the drive out of
south Texas but it would be very scary having a breakdown between McAllen and
George West in the middle of no where. There are narcos (drug runners) and
coyotes (people runners all through that region. I am not saying whether I
carry or not but I will say I will defend myself.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Geary Schindel
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border
This is in response to the new posting on travel to Mexico. This is from my
caver friend that works in the Office of Homeland Security here in San Antonio.
He is also on Texas Cavers list but prefers to keep a low profile. Something
to think about.
Geary
Hi Geary!
They said they were going to renew that. I am glad they did. Some of the
areas are very dangerous right now. Folks just need to be aware of the threat
and that things can turn sour very quickly. Bullets are not picky who they hit
during a gunfight.
There has also been an increase in drug trafficking from Big Bend NP to
Maverick County along the Texas border in the US. In the last six months there
has been at least two LARGE shipments picked up in Big Bend NP itself. It is
Very similar to what they are doing out in Organ Pipe National Park. These are
not the normal "wetback with drugs" scenario. These are well armed individuals
dressed in black or camouflage carrying fairly large amounts of contraband.
They usually travel at night and have normally a number of set pick up points
which they rotate around. Cell phones are such a help to all. They will avoid
contact if possible but if cornered have been know to fight. Normally if they
are pressed hard they will drop there cargo and disappear but like stated
before, they will fight if cornered and usually are quite ready to do that.
They don't play by the same rules that we do.
There has also been an increase in human trafficking (two or three young
women from Mexico/Central America being sold in slavery or prostitution) These
are not so heavily armed but the handlers have been aggressive in the last
couple months. If confronted they will run and leave there cargo (the women)
but there has been several incidences of ranchers and hunters being jumped at
gates and such as the handlers were trying to steal the vehicle. Packing a
handgun seems to be a quick cure as they know most ranchers and hunters will
use them if they can. Just tell the guys to be careful going through gates to
the caves late at night or early in the morning. The buddy system works and
safety in numbers is a good thing. Two or more people they will evade and
avoid. They have been breaking into vehicles at night as well along the border.
This time of year seems to be the time that this increases as the weather is
more temperate and they can move large groups at night quite easily. Hope this
helps some. Just thought you would want to know and maybe pass this on.
From your local Department of Homeland Security Friend! :) Take care Bro!
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Man, I think I'll stay in TX and NM and cave.
All I have to worry about up here is rattlesnakes and gun/evolution debates!
Mark A.
________________________________
From: Bruce Anderson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 2/24/2010 10:54 AM
To: Geary Schindel; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border
I actually live in deep south Texas in McAllen. I was in Juarez the first of
the month and I can tell you that it is just as bad here as there only they
keep it quiet around here. The problem is that you need to be very aware of
your surroundings. Bullets do not care what is in their path. The US
officials were on high alert down here twice last week with swat teams at the
crossings because they thought it might spill over into the US.
I am in and out Mexico doing business very frequently and all I can say is be
very aware of your surroundings and be careful where you go. You may still get
caught in the cross fire. There have been two gun fights one in Matamoros and
one in Reynosa in the shopping malls in the past week.
As far as the Mexican officials are concerned, I have learned how to pay the
bribe game and never had and major problems other than spending time and bribe
money getting it done. I can tell you this. I do not mind the drive out of
south Texas but it would be very scary having a breakdown between McAllen and
George West in the middle of no where. There are narcos (drug runners) and
coyotes (people runners all through that region. I am not saying whether I
carry or not but I will say I will defend myself.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Geary Schindel <mailto:[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border
This is in response to the new posting on travel to Mexico. This is
from my caver friend that works in the Office of Homeland Security here in San
Antonio. He is also on Texas Cavers list but prefers to keep a low profile.
Something to think about.
Geary
Hi Geary!
They said they were going to renew that. I am glad they did. Some of
the areas are very dangerous right now. Folks just need to be aware of the
threat and that things can turn sour very quickly. Bullets are not picky who
they hit during a gunfight.
There has also been an increase in drug trafficking from Big Bend NP to
Maverick County along the Texas border in the US. In the last six months there
has been at least two LARGE shipments picked up in Big Bend NP itself. It is
Very similar to what they are doing out in Organ Pipe National Park. These are
not the normal "wetback with drugs" scenario. These are well armed individuals
dressed in black or camouflage carrying fairly large amounts of contraband.
They usually travel at night and have normally a number of set pick up points
which they rotate around. Cell phones are such a help to all. They will avoid
contact if possible but if cornered have been know to fight. Normally if they
are pressed hard they will drop there cargo and disappear but like stated
before, they will fight if cornered and usually are quite ready to do that.
They don't play by the same rules that we do.
There has also been an increase in human trafficking (two or three
young women from Mexico/Central America being sold in slavery or prostitution)
These are not so heavily armed but the handlers have been aggressive in the
last couple months. If confronted they will run and leave there cargo (the
women) but there has been several incidences of ranchers and hunters being
jumped at gates and such as the handlers were trying to steal the vehicle.
Packing a handgun seems to be a quick cure as they know most ranchers and
hunters will use them if they can. Just tell the guys to be careful going
through gates to the caves late at night or early in the morning. The buddy
system works and safety in numbers is a good thing. Two or more people they
will evade and avoid. They have been breaking into vehicles at night as well
along the border.
This time of year seems to be the time that this increases as the
weather is more temperate and they can move large groups at night quite easily.
Hope this helps some. Just thought you would want to know and maybe pass this
on.
From your local Department of Homeland Security Friend! :) Take care
Bro!
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Didn't I tow you and your truck to Bustamante from Minas Viejas once?
All I can say is, the Federales have some cool 4x4 caving vehicles
with propellers and turrets at the borders. There, caving related and
on topic.
Don's iPhone.
On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Bruce Anderson <[email protected]>
wrote:
I actually live in deep south Texas in McAllen. I was in Juarez the
first of the month and I can tell you that it is just as bad here as
there only they keep it quiet around here. The problem is that you
need to be very aware of your surroundings. Bullets do not care
what is in their path. The US officials were on high alert down
here twice last week with swat teams at the crossings because they
thought it might spill over into the US.
I am in and out Mexico doing business very frequently and all I can
say is be very aware of your surroundings and be careful where you
go. You may still get caught in the cross fire. There have been
two gun fights one in Matamoros and one in Reynosa in the shopping
malls in the past week.
As far as the Mexican officials are concerned, I have learned how to
pay the bribe game and never had and major problems other than
spending time and bribe money getting it done. I can tell you
this. I do not mind the drive out of south Texas but it would be
very scary having a breakdown between McAllen and George West in the
middle of no where. There are narcos (drug runners) and coyotes
(people runners all through that region. I am not saying whether I
carry or not but I will say I will defend myself.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Geary Schindel
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border
This is in response to the new posting on travel to Mexico. This is
from my caver friend that works in the Office of Homeland Security
here in San Antonio. He is also on Texas Cavers list but prefers to
keep a low profile. Something to think about.
Geary
Hi Geary!
They said they were going to renew that. I am glad they did. Some
of the areas are very dangerous right now. Folks just need to be
aware of the threat and that things can turn sour very quickly.
Bullets are not picky who they hit during a gunfight.
There has also been an increase in drug trafficking from Big Bend NP
to Maverick County along the Texas border in the US. In the last
six months there has been at least two LARGE shipments picked up in
Big Bend NP itself. It is Very similar to what they are doing out
in Organ Pipe National Park. These are not the normal "wetback with
drugs" scenario. These are well armed individuals dressed in black
or camouflage carrying fairly large amounts of contraband. They
usually travel at night and have normally a number of set pick up
points which they rotate around. Cell phones are such a help to
all. They will avoid contact if possible but if cornered have been
know to fight. Normally if they are pressed hard they will drop
there cargo and disappear but like stated before, they will fight if
cornered and usually are quite ready to do that. They don't play by
the same rules that we do.
There has also been an increase in human trafficking (two or three
young women from Mexico/Central America being sold in slavery or
prostitution) These are not so heavily armed but the handlers have
been aggressive in the last couple months. If confronted they will
run and leave there cargo (the women) but there has been several
incidences of ranchers and hunters being jumped at gates and such as
the handlers were trying to steal the vehicle. Packing a handgun
seems to be a quick cure as they know most ranchers and hunters
will use them if they can. Just tell the guys to be careful going
through gates to the caves late at night or early in the morning.
The buddy system works and safety in numbers is a good thing. Two
or more people they will evade and avoid. They have been breaking
into vehicles at night as well along the border.
This time of year seems to be the time that this increases as the
weather is more temperate and they can move large groups at night
quite easily. Hope this helps some. Just thought you would want to
know and maybe pass this on.
From your local Department of Homeland Security Friend! :) Take
care Bro!
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Yes you did. thanks again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Arburn
Cc: Cavers Texas
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border
Didn't I tow you and your truck to Bustamante from Minas Viejas once?
All I can say is, the Federales have some cool 4x4 caving vehicles with
propellers and turrets at the borders. There, caving related and on topic.
Don's iPhone.
On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Bruce Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
I actually live in deep south Texas in McAllen. I was in Juarez the first
of the month and I can tell you that it is just as bad here as there only they
keep it quiet around here. The problem is that you need to be very aware of
your surroundings. Bullets do not care what is in their path. The US
officials were on high alert down here twice last week with swat teams at the
crossings because they thought it might spill over into the US.
I am in and out Mexico doing business very frequently and all I can say is
be very aware of your surroundings and be careful where you go. You may still
get caught in the cross fire. There have been two gun fights one in Matamoros
and one in Reynosa in the shopping malls in the past week.
As far as the Mexican officials are concerned, I have learned how to pay
the bribe game and never had and major problems other than spending time and
bribe money getting it done. I can tell you this. I do not mind the drive out
of south Texas but it would be very scary having a breakdown between McAllen
and George West in the middle of no where. There are narcos (drug runners) and
coyotes (people runners all through that region. I am not saying whether I
carry or not but I will say I will defend myself.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Geary Schindel
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border
This is in response to the new posting on travel to Mexico. This is from
my caver friend that works in the Office of Homeland Security here in San
Antonio. He is also on Texas Cavers list but prefers to keep a low profile.
Something to think about.
Geary
Hi Geary!
They said they were going to renew that. I am glad they did. Some of
the areas are very dangerous right now. Folks just need to be aware of the
threat and that things can turn sour very quickly. Bullets are not picky who
they hit during a gunfight.
There has also been an increase in drug trafficking from Big Bend NP to
Maverick County along the Texas border in the US. In the last six months there
has been at least two LARGE shipments picked up in Big Bend NP itself. It is
Very similar to what they are doing out in Organ Pipe National Park. These are
not the normal "wetback with drugs" scenario. These are well armed individuals
dressed in black or camouflage carrying fairly large amounts of contraband.
They usually travel at night and have normally a number of set pick up points
which they rotate around. Cell phones are such a help to all. They will avoid
contact if possible but if cornered have been know to fight. Normally if they
are pressed hard they will drop there cargo and disappear but like stated
before, they will fight if cornered and usually are quite ready to do that.
They don't play by the same rules that we do.
There has also been an increase in human trafficking (two or three young
women from Mexico/Central America being sold in slavery or prostitution) These
are not so heavily armed but the handlers have been aggressive in the last
couple months. If confronted they will run and leave there cargo (the women)
but there has been several incidences of ranchers and hunters being jumped at
gates and such as the handlers were trying to steal the vehicle. Packing a
handgun seems to be a quick cure as they know most ranchers and hunters will
use them if they can. Just tell the guys to be careful going through gates to
the caves late at night or early in the morning. The buddy system works and
safety in numbers is a good thing. Two or more people they will evade and
avoid. They have been breaking into vehicles at night as well along the border.
This time of year seems to be the time that this increases as the weather
is more temperate and they can move large groups at night quite easily. Hope
this helps some. Just thought you would want to know and maybe pass this on.
From your local Department of Homeland Security Friend! :) Take care
Bro!
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Rod Goke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wasn't there also a photo of a scorpion on somebody's obviously female
> nipple?
>
It'd make a great series.
--Ediger
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