texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2010 12:37:54 -0000 Issue 1006

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:38:05 -0700 (PDT) 

texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2010 12:37:54 -0000 Issue 1006

Topics (messages 14147 through 14167):

karst feature in Yucatan
        14147 by: Mixon Bill
        14148 by: Mark Minton

Re: From the TCMA on the Punkin and Deep Preserve Porch
        14149 by: Fritz Holt

Re: Videos shot at Honey Creek Cave yesterday
        14150 by: ellie :)

A different kind of bat?
        14151 by: Diana Tomchick
        14152 by: Don Arburn
        14153 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

car that goes "like a bat"
        14154 by: Mixon Bill
        14157 by: Mark Minton
        14158 by: wa5pok.peoplepc.com
        14159 by: Bill Bentley
        14160 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
        14161 by: Rod Goke
        14162 by: Stefan Creaser
        14163 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

TCMA Auction
        14155 by: Jim Kennedy

Honey Creek Cave explorations
        14156 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com

Bill Russell Getting out of the hospital on St. Pat's
        14164 by: Katherine Arens

Report about an accident in Grutas de La Puente, SLP, Mexico
        14165 by: Fofo

The March 2010 Issue of "The Hole News"
        14166 by: Bill Bentley

Re: Guads Caves Available for Recreational Caving
        14167 by: Mark Alman

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Forwarded in part by Mixon:

JIM CONRAD’S NATURALIST NEWSLETTER
Issued from Hacienda Chichén beside the Maya ruin of
Chichén Itzá in the central Yucatán, MÉXICO

March 14, 2010

*****

THE HALTÚN
When I first arrived here Don Philomeno, in his 70s
and Hacienda Chichen's longest-serving employee,
showed me around the grounds. We came into an area
where soil was completely missing, exposing nothing
but an expanse of white limestone bedrock. The Don
knelt beside a water-filled depression in the rock,
about the size of a yellow dog, and proudly told me
how he vividly remembered the day when it was he who
discovered this very depression.

In Maya such water-holding holes in limestone bedrock
have their own name. Such a hole is a haltún. You can
see several typical ones at
http://www.backyardnature.net/n/10/100314ha.jpg

In Maya culture, the haltún is important for the
simple reason that when you're wandering in the forest
and find one, you can drink its water. At least older
Maya are still acutely aware that humans need
unpolluted water, and that if drinkable water
disappears, living becomes impossible. For older Maya
like Don Philomeno, the haltún demands great respect.
Don Philomeno spent several minutes explaining to me
the proper way to clean one and protect it, and I felt
honored to be initiated in such a way into the
mystical realm of the haltún.

I'm thinking about haltúnes nowadays because most days
I pull up a few buckets of water from the 80-ft-deep
well where the Brittle Maidenhairs live, keep each
haltún in the area filled, and water various saplings
we want to bring through the current dry season.

Also I'm thinking about the haltún because if you want
to see birds you can't do better than to position
yourself nearby, and just watch the stream of species
come in from the forest and settle there for a drink.

The haltún is a wonderful thing.

*****
Best wishes to all Newsletter Readers.

Jim

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--- Begin Message --- In non-Maya parts of Mexico such bedrock depressions where water collects are often called tinajas, or for small ones like those in the photo, tinajitas. I wonder if a yellow dog is different in size than any other color dog? ;-) 

Mark Minton

At 10:22 AM 3/15/2010, Mixon Bill wrote:

Forwarded in part by Mixon:

JIM CONRAD’S NATURALIST NEWSLETTER
Issued from Hacienda Chichén beside the Maya ruin of
Chichén Itzá in the central Yucatán, MÉXICO

March 14, 2010

*****

THE HALTÚN
When I first arrived here Don Philomeno, in his 70s
and Hacienda Chichen's longest-serving employee,
showed me around the grounds. We came into an area
where soil was completely missing, exposing nothing
but an expanse of white limestone bedrock. The Don
knelt beside a water-filled depression in the rock,
about the size of a yellow dog, and proudly told me
how he vividly remembered the day when it was he who
discovered this very depression.

In Maya such water-holding holes in limestone bedrock
have their own name. Such a hole is a haltún. You can
see several typical ones at
http://www.backyardnature.net/n/10/100314ha.jpg

In Maya culture, the haltún is important for the
simple reason that when you're wandering in the forest
and find one, you can drink its water. At least older
Maya are still acutely aware that humans need
unpolluted water, and that if drinkable water
disappears, living becomes impossible. For older Maya
like Don Philomeno, the haltún demands great respect.
Don Philomeno spent several minutes explaining to me
the proper way to clean one and protect it, and I felt
honored to be initiated in such a way into the
mystical realm of the haltún.

I'm thinking about haltúnes nowadays because most days
I pull up a few buckets of water from the 80-ft-deep
well where the Brittle Maidenhairs live, keep each
haltún in the area filled, and water various saplings
we want to bring through the current dry season.

Also I'm thinking about the haltún because if you want
to see birds you can't do better than to position
yourself nearby, and just watch the stream of species
come in from the forest and settle there for a drink.

The haltún is a wonderful thing.

*****
Best wishes to all Newsletter Readers.

Jim

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Bill,

I think we all understand and accept the board's decision on this matter. Could 
the upper deck remain in place and be used as a roof for the deck below with no 
access to the roof (upper deck)? The problem seems to be the weight of people 
on the upper deck.

Fritz

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From: William Russell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] From the TCMA on the Punkin and Deep Preserve Porch

To the Caving Community:

            In the name of the TCMA Board, I would like to address what I know 
has been the subject of much recent discussion in some quarters:  the decision 
to remove the second floor of the porch structure at the Deep and Punkin 
Preserve, at a work day that will be scheduled at the site in April or May.
            The Board deliberated long and hard on this decision, given that it 
undoes some work generously donated by some of Texas caving's most enthusiastic 
supporters.  As TCMA Vice-President Aron Wertheim has expressed in an email: 
"The decision to remove the second floor portion of the porch was not taken 
lightly, and it was voted on with heavy hearts and much concern for everyone 
who has so generously donated their time, money, materials, and sweat to get it 
to its current station."  That I would like to underscore and reiterate.
            This unfortunate but necessary result points to some growing pains 
within TCMA, as we learn long-term planning and management strategies for our 
assets.  We are slowly learning to deal with on-going financial challenges 
(ones which continue), and to work with preserve managers to guarantee that 
precious volunteer hours and donations do not go to waste.
            The basic issue for the DP porch is that the project design got 
ahead of the Board, and so there was no detailed oversight of the construction 
-- proper plans were not exchanged between the volunteers and Board, and the 
result was that the structure was never engineered to standards that would 
answer to liability concerns.  When the Board started to discuss the ingenious 
porch structure that was taking shape, a number of people thought its safety 
was the matter of a few work days and some more material.  That doesn't seem to 
be the case, and so the Board voted to stop any expenditures in that direction 
and to guarantee safety to the degree possible,  in light of the information 
gathered.
            The Board reluctantly agreed that it would be cheaper in funds to 
start over than to fix this ambitious but unfinished structure -- and at the 
same time, we realized that it might cost us good will.  Nonetheless, we felt 
we had no other choice.  Again, as Wertheim summarized:
Unfortunately, the TCMA, in analyzing the structure's potential costs and our 
available resources, determined that we are not in a position to fund further 
modifications.  Simply, the structure requires A LOT more heavy steel and 
different building methods, and there is still no guarantee it will be stable.
We have solicited bids from several engineering firms to evaluate the 
structure, only one was willing to even see it in person. . . .  [It would 
cost] $1000 each time the engineer went to see the structure, $2500 for plans 
and drawings that correct any problems.   This $3500 is just for an 
professional engineer to look at our issues: once.  The amounts required to 
modify and correct any building errors are in addition and would easily run 
many, many more thousands of dollars, even if cavers did most of the work.
 And these consulting fees would be multiplied by additional construction 
costs.  The structure design was never certified by a Professional Engineer, 
and it seemed at the end of our Board deliberations a bad use of resources to 
try to remedy construction that probably needs to be completely redone.  The 
Board's decision was to leave the ground floor of this multi-story construction 
in place, which should serve as a porch until it can be reevaluated for its 
future and for its stability as part of a permanent solution.  The existing, 
unfinished structure is indeed attractive in its inspiration, but the Board 
felt that this was the only way to avoid potential injury or damages -- one 
liability suit could threaten the preserve's whole existence.
            To all who have contributed their time, expertise, and money to 
this project:  we apologize sincerely if our failure to monitor design and 
construction up to the professional standards necessary for such a site has 
caused you to feel that your contributions were diminished.  Such generous work 
and contributions on the part of Texas cavers are rare assets that we do not 
want to squander.  We need your continuing participation, excitement, talent, 
and support, if the Punkin and Deep Preserve is to continue being the resource 
for Texas caving that it has been under Geary Schindel's exemplary preserve 
management.    We would welcome ideas for how a safe and low-cost structure 
could be planned as a permanent porch, probably as a single-story structure 
with a larger footprint and much diminished possibility of liability from the 
various groups who have used the property.
            The TCMA Board wishes to express its deepest gratitude to the many 
people who have devoted so much time to the porch projeqct under the direction 
of  Jon Cradit  over the last two and a half years, and especially to the Fort 
Worth-Dallas area cavers who provided the building materials and talent,  to 
the cavers from the Austin and San Antonio areas and beyond who provided labor, 
and especially to Geary Schindel and to all of Texas' grottos who have made 
this whole endeavor possible.
            Rest assured:   the TCMA will honor your contributions in the name 
of the cavers of Texas by seeing that materials from the structure see use on 
the property for the benefit of all, and that we do a better job as we learn to 
function as a mature karst conservancy -- only so little time after Texas 
pulled off the miracle of burning the Deep/Punkin mortgage.  We are learning 
what responsibilities must be upheld and what kinds of communication are 
necessary between the Board, the membership, the cavers of Texas, and the 
Preserve Managers;  we ask for your tolerance and continued support as we grow.
            One final note - a bummer, but a necessary one:  anyone who goes 
out on the property before the deconstruction work trip, please stay off of the 
porch.  It qualifies as unfinished construction and should not be used under 
any circumstances.

William H. Russell, President
Texas Cave Management Association


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William H. Russell
4806 Red River
Austin, TX  78751
PH 512-453-4774
Cell 512--940-8336

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Thanks to all who showed for the hauling and to Don for surface support! It
was solid crew and we made good time.

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--- Begin Message --- On the National Geographic channel this week (Thursday, March 18), "Ultimate Factories":
Lamborghini's factory in SantAgata Bolognese, Italy [ALT: 20 miles/30 kilometers north of Bologna) is building its fastest car ever: the Murcielago SV, of which just 350 will be made. The $450,000 Murcielago SV launches from 0 to 62 miles per hour in just 3.2 seconds and can achieve a top speed of 212 miles per hour. The factory builds the car almost entirely by hand including its engine and body. The car is also painted and assembled by hand, including installation of the famous Lamborghini scissor doors. Every car is custom-built to order, and only 2.7 cars are completed per day.
Read more: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/ultimate-factories/4541/Overview?source=email_channel#tab-Overview #ixzz0iGrBzxOC 
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Does it use sonar to navigate?

Diana

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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.   
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)

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--- Begin Message --- They've been making the Murcielago for a few years already. Currently a Bugatti is the fastest car, at several million dollars apiece. 

Don's iPhone.
On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Diana Tomchick <[email protected] > wrote:
On the National Geographic channel this week (Thursday, March 18), "Ultimate Factories":
Lamborghini's factory in SantAgata Bolognese, Italy [ALT: 20 miles/ 30 kilometers north of Bologna) is building its fastest car ever: the Murcielago SV, of which just 350 will be made. The $450,000 Murcielago SV launches from 0 to 62 miles per hour in just 3.2 seconds and can achieve a top speed of 212 miles per hour. The factory builds the car almost entirely by hand including its engine and body. The car is also painted and assembled by hand, including installation of the famous Lamborghini scissor doors. Every car is custom-built to order, and only 2.7 cars are completed per day. 

Read more: 
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/ultimate-factories/4541/Overview?source=email_channel#tab-Overview#ixzz0iGrBzxOC
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Does it use sonar to navigate?

Diana

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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)


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--- Begin Message --- $450,000 for 212 MPH not a bad deal. The faster road-legal car by Bugatti gets you 255 MPH, but it costs about $1.6 million, depending on the current value of the euro (plus $100,000 delivery charge, by Air France). Neither is exactly a practical car. The Bugatti will empty its fuel tank in 20 minutes at top speed. Worse than a Hummer, but I don't imagine there will be enough of either of them to have much effect on the price of oil.... -- Mixon 
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--- Begin Message --- That assumes that you could even find anywhere to drive anywhere near 200 miles per hour in the first place. 

Mark

At 03:26 PM 3/15/2010, Mixon Bill wrote:

$450,000 for 212 MPH not a bad deal. The faster road-legal car by
Bugatti gets you 255 MPH, but it costs about $1.6 million, depending
on the current value of the euro (plus $100,000 delivery charge, by
Air France). Neither is exactly a practical car. The Bugatti will
empty its fuel tank in 20 minutes at top speed. Worse than a Hummer,
but I don't imagine there will be enough of either of them to have
much effect on the price of oil.... -- Mixon


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I 20 - West Texas

>          That assumes that you could even find anywhere to drive
> anywhere near 200 miles per hour in the first place.
> 
> Mark
> 
> At 03:26 PM 3/15/2010, Mixon Bill wrote:
> >$450,000 for 212 MPH not a bad deal. The faster road-legal car by
> >Bugatti gets you 255 MPH, but it costs about $1.6 million, depending
> >on the current value of the euro (plus $100,000 delivery charge, by
> >Air France). Neither is exactly a practical car. The Bugatti will
> >empty its fuel tank in 20 minutes at top speed. Worse than a Hummer,
> >but I don't imagine there will be enough of either of them to have
> >much effect on the price of oil.... -- Mixon
> 
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I-10 West Texas too......
I witnessed race cars doing those speeds on Hwy 349 South of Midland to Rankin, texas a few years back... I saw the radar detector results... 
I realized that standing 50' away was not very safe if they crashed.
http://tri-starcompanies.com/

Bill
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: car that goes "like a bat"



I 20 - West Texas


         That assumes that you could even find anywhere to drive
anywhere near 200 miles per hour in the first place.

Mark

At 03:26 PM 3/15/2010, Mixon Bill wrote:
>$450,000 for 212 MPH not a bad deal. The faster road-legal car by
>Bugatti gets you 255 MPH, but it costs about $1.6 million, depending
>on the current value of the euro (plus $100,000 delivery charge, by
>Air France). Neither is exactly a practical car. The Bugatti will
>empty its fuel tank in 20 minutes at top speed. Worse than a Hummer,
>but I don't imagine there will be enough of either of them to have
>much effect on the price of oil.... -- Mixon

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Piss in our Cheerios, why don't you Mark? <snarf>
 
T


Mar 15, 2010 08:57:13 PM, [email protected] wrote:
That assumes that you could even find anywhere to drive
anywhere near 200 miles per hour in the first place.

Mark

At 03:26 PM 3/15/2010, Mixon Bill wrote:
>$450,000 for 212 MPH not a bad deal. The faster road-legal car by
>Bugatti gets you 255 MPH, but it costs about $1.6 million, depending
>on the current value of the euro (plus $100,000 delivery charge, by
>Air France). Neither is exactly a practical car. The Bugatti will
>empty its fuel tank in 20 minutes at top speed. Worse than a Hummer,
>but I don't imagine there will be enough of either of them to have
>much effect on the price of oil.... -- Mixon

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Goes "like a bat"?  What kind of bat goes 212 MPH and never leaves the ground?


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>From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
>Sent: Mar 15, 2010 3:26 PM
>To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Texascavers] car that goes "like a bat"
>
>$450,000 for 212 MPH not a bad deal. The faster road-legal car by  
>Bugatti gets you 255 MPH, but it costs about $1.6 million, depending  
>on the current value of the euro (plus $100,000 delivery charge, by  
>Air France). Neither is exactly a practical car. The Bugatti will  
>empty its fuel tank in 20 minutes at top speed. Worse than a Hummer,  
>but I don't imagine there will be enough of either of them to have  
>much effect on the price of oil.... -- Mixon
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A very quick one?

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From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]] 

Goes "like a bat"?  What kind of bat goes 212 MPH and never leaves the ground?


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
>Sent: Mar 15, 2010 3:26 PM
>To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Texascavers] car that goes "like a bat"
>
>$450,000 for 212 MPH not a bad deal. The faster road-legal car by  
>Bugatti gets you 255 MPH, but it costs about $1.6 million, depending  
>on the current value of the euro (plus $100,000 delivery charge, by  
>Air France). Neither is exactly a practical car. The Bugatti will  
>empty its fuel tank in 20 minutes at top speed. Worse than a Hummer,  
>but I don't imagine there will be enough of either of them to have  
>much effect on the price of oil.... -- Mixon


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Mar 16, 2010 01:11:27 PM, [email protected] wrote:
A very quick one?

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Goes "like a bat"? What kind of bat goes 212 MPH and never leaves the ground?


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>From: Mixon Bill
>Sent: Mar 15, 2010 3:26 PM
>To: Cavers Texas
>Subject: [Texascavers] car that goes "like a bat"
>
>$450,000 for 212 MPH not a bad deal. The faster road-legal car by
>Bugatti gets you 255 MPH, but it costs about $1.6 million, depending
>on the current value of the euro (plus $100,000 delivery charge, by
>Air France). Neither is exactly a practical car. The Bugatti will
>empty its fuel tank in 20 minutes at top speed. Worse than a Hummer,
>but I don't imagine there will be enough of either of them to have
>much effect on the price of oil.... -- Mixon


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Hello again cavers!  I hope you all are planning to attend the great TSA
Spring Convention that TSA Vice-Chair Ellie Thoene is planning for us in
Cedar Park, Texas on the 26th through 28th of March.  Yes, that's in
less than two weeks!  So I figured it was time to remind you all again
that we are having another auction to raise funds for TCMA to buy caves
for you.  Yes you!  But we really need items donated to sell.  So far I
have about a dozen items pledged.  It will be a really short auction and
not raise much money if that is all we get!  So please, see what you can
spare and email me soon (before the Convention) so I can get the
spreadsheet of items to the Auction treasurers and make it a fun even
for everyone.  Any caving or camping equipment is greatly appreciated,
but you can also donate art, jewelry, services, trips, clothing, and
collectibles as long as it is caver-related or at least would appeal to
cavers.  All items donated become property of TCMA, and can be delivered
to the Auction committee or any TCMA Director at the TSA Spring
Convention.  Thanks all!  We have some really exciting things in the
works, and hopefully will have a new cave or two to brag about soon.

Jim "Crash" Kennedy
TCMA Auctioneer

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Twenty-one cavers went into Honey Creek Cave on Saturday and took all the cave 
diving gear that Jean “Creature” Krecja and James Brown will use this coming 
weekend to do their exploratory dive. Creature and James will first dive the 
1,435 foot first HS Sump, then traverse 1,000 of air-filled passage only the 
two of them have seen, and then dive a second sump, which has not been entered 
yet at all.

Thank you very much to the following cavers who hauled dive gear on Saturday. 
The lengths of trips were 7 ½ hours to 15. The 15 hour trip was due to two 
cavers remaining with Creature and James for several hours to prep their gear 
for their dive.

Chris Butscheck             GHG            
James Brown                 UTG and DFW         
Sandi Calhoun               UTG
Galen Falgout               UTG 
Jared Fuller                Living in Amarillo                          
Gerry Geletzke              Lives in Waco                       
Lydia Hernandez             UTG         
Jean “Creature” Krecja      UTG
Caleb Mayeux                GHG
Mallory Mayeux              GHG
Kurt Menking                Bexar
Herman Miller               Lives in Alpine, TX
Ryan Monjaras               Cowtown 
George-Paul Richmann        GHG
Mike Roxichaux              UTG 
Shawn Ruzek                 DFW
Bill Steele                 DFW
Ellie Thoene                Bexar and DFW
Diana Tomchick              DFW
Jessie Walker               DFW

And a special big THANKS! Goes out to Don Broussard, who once again did
a superb job of driving the tractor and lowering and raising everyone in and out
of the shaft entrance. He worked tirelessly from the moment the first load of 
three
people went into the cave Saturday morning at 9:23 a.m. until the last two came
out at 1:15 a.m. We could use some other people helping with driving the tractor
both this weekend and April 3. Let me know who you are.

Creature and James could use help this Saturday in getting some of their gear
out of the cave. Please, some cavers come forward to help. What you will do 
is go in later in the day Saturday with someone who knows the way well, and 
wait until Creature and James come back through the long sump. You will then
help them pack up the gear, carry some of it out, and leave the rest for the 
people
who have spoken up and said they will go in on April 3 to retrieve the rest of 
the
gear. Those people are:

Branndon Bargo
Greg Bargo
James Brown
Sandi Calhoun
Michael Cicherski
Kristina Hager                          
Lydia Hernandez                 
Debra Heyer 
Ben Hutchins                            
Christopher King
Jean “Creature” Krecja
Niki Lake                                
Ryan Monjaras
Patrick Olsen                                
George-Paul Richmann
Drew Wendeborn (and probably other ASS cavers)

A NOTE ON APRIL 3 – IT’S EASTER WEEKEND. IF YOU DIDN’T REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU 
VOLUNTEERED TO HELP ON APRIL 3, AND CANNOT MAKE IT BECAUSE OF THAT, PLEASE LET 
ME KNOW.

Bill Steele

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Coming home -- don't spoil his fun, if he sends you an email announcing it!
Come by and visit at 4806 Red River anytime. Doorbell doesn't work; let yourselves in, someone will always be there with william for a while. You might call ahead because there are therapy appointments out of the house. Chaos will be present in the house, and at least cold water in the fridge. Sorry i can't promise more.
And right now a very happy black dog named Ellie is visiting -- don't let her out (she's fast), and don't worry, she's totally friendly. 


SIT ON HIS LEFT and make him look at you!!!  too easy to be lazy . . .

thanks all who visited at Seton.  It was a lifesaver.
-katie
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�Hola!
This is a report from Antonio Aguirre, president of Espeleo Rescate Mexico, who is currently in Costa Rica, teaching a rescue course. 

     - Fofo

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This past Sunday, Espeleo Rescate Mexico (ERM) was notified of an accident in Grutas de La Puente, in the Sierra de Alvarez, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. This is a very well known cave that is often visited by US cavers, actually Joe Ivy and Becky Jones were frequent visitors.
There is an alternate exit from the cave, through some badly deteriorated metal stairs. A group was going up these when a metal bar fell on a person's head and he had to be helped by his friends, who guided him through the normal exit.
It is worth noting that a lot of non-cavers visit this cave and the majority of them use the stairs to exit. This part of the cave has a lot of damage, some steps are missing in the stairs, they are very rusty, etc.
The ERM group from San Luis Potosi found the patient outside of the cave, and there was no need to go in. The patient was just transported to the hospital for evaluation.
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Greetings,

The March 2010 issue "Volume 25 # 3" of the Permian Basin Speleological 
Society's "The Hole News" is now on the web in Adobe PDF format.
This exciting issue can be found at the URL listed below:

http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews/PBSS%20Newsletter%20March%202010.pdf


And as always one can relive the past with back issues, they can be found at 
the following URL:

http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews.html

Kudos to Kel Thomas for his role as the editor of "The Hole News" Please 
be sure to send him material!!!!!

Enjoy and Cave Safely,

Bill

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FYI,


Mark.



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From: Ken Harrington <[email protected]>
To: NM Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 4:54:13 PM
Subject: [NMCAVER] Guads Caves Available for Recreational Caving


Hi folks,



I met with the District Ranger for the Guadlupe District this morning and 
received a copy of the list of caves currently available for recreational 
caving in the guads (see attached).  There are other caves that are currently 
closed for bats that may be available later in the year, for example, Pink 
Dragon.



The list is a draft and it is requested that the list not be released outside 
of the caving community.  The Forest Service does not want groups of cavers 
with no caving experience coming in and asking for permits just because they 
found out from the list that a cave exists.



My meeting was cordial and led me to believe that some attitudes in the Forest 
Service may be changing.  She seemed very receptive to joint activites with the 
SWR that would be mutually beneficial to both sides.  Only time will tell, but 
I recommend we give them the chance to prove that there will be improvements in 
relations between us.



Ken 
                        
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