texascavers Digest 9 Dec 2009 20:32:53 -0000 Issue 907
Topics (messages 12845 through 12863):
Re: Mapping and Mexico
12845 by: Matt Turner
Re: Public domain free USGS News rmaps
12846 by: caverarch.aol.com
Re: Mexico Maps
12847 by: Mark Minton
12848 by: caverarch.aol.com
12849 by: Mark Minton
12851 by: Louise Power
12860 by: Mark Minton
Re: USGS topo downloads
12850 by: Mark Minton
International cave rescue training seminar in France
12852 by: George Veni
US Topo Maps ...Paper
12853 by: Preston Forsythe
12855 by: Jim Evatt
More on USGS maps
12854 by: Mike Gross
Biospeleology research on collembola
12856 by: htjohn1.juno.com
RGIS
12857 by: Pete Lindsley
Re: Global Mapper
12858 by: Mark Minton
12861 by: vivbone.att.net
12862 by: Terry Holsinger
12863 by: Mark Minton
Old time Florida cave diver passes on..
12859 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
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http://www.bing.com/maps/#JnE9eXAubGFndW5hK2RlK3NhbmNoZXolMmNubCU3ZXNzdC4wJTdlcGcuMSZiYj02My4xODI0Njg5NjY0MTElN2UtMjEuMzc0MjM3MDYxJTdlMS43MzE5NDM1NDIxOTM1MiU3ZS0xNTkuMDEwOTU1ODEx
Yeah it sure looks right. It's even cooler that the name of the Ranch(I think)
we're guest on is on there too.
Matt Turner
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accepting it." - Aristotle
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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 1:14:58 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Mapping and Mexico
Cool, Louise, thanks.
Speaking of maps and Mexico, I noticed that the North American weather map that
came up on the TNRIS home page had a search function powered by Bing. I have
not tried this search engine yet, so I entered Laguna de Sanchez. To my
surprise, a pin icon appeared at what looks to be the right spot on the map. I
was impressed.
Roger Moore
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From: Louise Power <[email protected]>
To: Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2009 12:28 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Public domain free USGS News rmaps
Mark Minton said: "If only Mexico would do the same!"
I put this address up once before a couple of years ago, but in case you missed
it, you can get free Mexico maps at this address:
http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/
It has over 4000 maps. You can get maps of the largest cities and each of the
31 states. They are divided into smaller maps, so you can print them easily.
Happy travel.
Louise
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I've explored this world coverage index map a bit more, and the image for
Mexico when you select the "terrain" function is pretty cool. It renders the
terrain attractively, and if you look closely at the closest three levels of
magnification, you will see that topographic contours at 20- and 200-meter
intervals appear on the artistic rendering.
Roger Moore
<<8) topos By: Jeremy Spiers (Knoxville, Tennessee) A lot of
people have responded with good links, but I find this linkindispensable for
online research of topos, maps, and aerial
photographyhttp://mapper.acme.com/Locations can be found by address or
coordinates, using mostcoordinate systemsGood stuff!Cheers!JS>>
Roger Moore
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From: Mark Minton <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Public domain free USGS News rmaps
This is nice to know, but a little late to be really necessary.
Unlike those of many countries, U. S. topo maps have never been copyrighted and
are available in the public domain, but the USGS itself did not host them on
the web. Most states have some agency or university that has USGS topo maps
for specific areas freely available on their web sites. For instance Texas
topos are available at <http://www.tnris.state.tx.us/datadownload/download.jsp>
and New Mexico at <http://sar.lanl.gov/topo_maps/>. Recently, however, the
USGS themselves finally put up all of their maps, so there is no longer a need
for any outside hosts. Go to <http://seamless.usgs.gov/index.php>. If only
Mexico would do the same!
Mark Minton
At 04:52 PM 12/7/2009, [email protected] wrote:
>Posted in the Texas canoeing list.
>
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>From: Rich Kulawiec
>To:
>Sent: Fri, Dec 4, 2009 1:03 pm
>Subject: Re: Fwd: For all topo map fan out there USGS News release >re new map
>program
>
>Every USGS topo map is available for download free via Libremap:
>
> http://libremap.org/
>
>A lot of people worked very hard to make this (public domain) data
>available to the public, so if you find it useful, you might consider
>throwing a coin or two their way. (I've got no involvement with
>this project other than as a very satisfied user.)
>
>---Rsk
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Louise Power said:
I put this address up once before a couple of years ago, but in case
you missed it, you can get free Mexico maps at this address:
http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/
Yes, that's a good site that I occasionally use for road
maps, but I was originally talking about topo maps. They are what I
would like to be able to access and download on the web, especially
since Mexican topos are expensive and rather difficult to obtain.
Mark
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Mark, here is (I hope) a link to a topographic rendering I just wrote in about.
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=25.27512,-100.27634&z=13&t=R&marker0=25.72774,-100.22234,Laguna%20de%20Sanchez
Roger
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From: Mark Minton <[email protected]>
To: Louise Power <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2009 3:16 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Mexico Maps
Louise Power said:
>I put this address up once before a couple of years ago, but in case >you
>missed it, you can get free Mexico maps at this address:
>http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/
Yes, that's a good site that I occasionally use for road maps, but I
was originally talking about topo maps. They are what I would like to be able
to access and download on the web, especially since Mexican topos are expensive
and rather difficult to obtain.
Mark
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That's certainly better than nothing, but not the same as a
real topo map. I compared a region where I have the topo maps, and
the detail is not nearly as good. Small roads and towns are not even
shown. Strangely, if you click on the topo tab, you get
nothing. You can only see the topographic contours in the terrain
view. Even some roads that are shown in the mountains are often way
off from their true locations, just as they are in Google Earth if
you have roads turned on. Of course with the latter you can find the
roads yourself in a high-resolution view.
Mark
Mark, here is (I hope) a link to a topographic rendering I just
wrote in about.
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=25.27512,-100.27634&z=13&t=R&marker0=25.72774,-100.22234,Laguna%20de%20Sanchez
Roger
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From: Mark Minton <[email protected]>
To: Louise Power <[email protected]>; Texas Cavers
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2009 3:16 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Mexico Maps
Louise Power said:
>I put this address up once before a couple of years ago, but in
case >you missed it, you can get free Mexico maps at this address:
>http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/
Yes, that's a good site that I occasionally use for road maps,
but I was originally talking about topo maps. They are what I would
like to be able to access and download on the web, especially since
Mexican topos are expensive and rather difficult to obtain.
Mark
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The state maps are topo maps.
> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:16:48 -0500
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Mexico Maps
>
> Louise Power said:
>
> >I put this address up once before a couple of years ago, but in case
> >you missed it, you can get free Mexico maps at this address:
> >http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/
>
> Yes, that's a good site that I occasionally use for road
> maps, but I was originally talking about topo maps. They are what I
> would like to be able to access and download on the web, especially
> since Mexican topos are expensive and rather difficult to obtain.
>
> Mark
>
> You may reply to [email protected]
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Louise Power said:
>The state maps are topo maps.
Well, yes, they have contour lines on them, but not at any
useful scale. They are nothing like real topo maps (1:50,000 for
Mexico). You could hardly use the online maps to look for cave leads
or plan a hike. They are designed for driving.
Mark Minton
> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:16:48 -0500
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Mexico Maps
>
> Louise Power said:
>
> >I put this address up once before a couple of years ago, but in case
> >you missed it, you can get free Mexico maps at this address:
> >http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/
>
> Yes, that's a good site that I occasionally use for road
> maps, but I was originally talking about topo maps. They are what I
> would like to be able to access and download on the web, especially
> since Mexican topos are expensive and rather difficult to obtain.
>
> Mark
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Bill Mixon said:
At least I figured out how to download an image of a topo map by
name from http://libremap.org/, something I never came anywhere
near figuring out at the official site http://seamless.usgs.gov/index.php.
In fact, those are seamless maps at that USGS site, without
the collar that has the legend and other useful information. And
yes, it has a terrible interface. After much searching around
various web sites, I finally found the main USGS topo map page at
<http://edc.usgs.gov/#/Find_Data/Products_and_Data_Available/DRGs>.
Topo maps are downloadable from the EarthExplorer page,
<http://edcsns17.cr.usgs.gov/EarthExplorer/>. Click on Digital Maps
at the left and then select DRG, which should appear in the Selected
Datasets box below. Then type in a place name in the search box and
then click on the search button to the right. An Area Selected box
will appear below the map. Then hit the search button at the bottom
of the page. Eventually you'll get to a place to download the map,
although it is certainly more cumbersome than a simple list of maps
if you already know the name of the one you want. You also have to
register (free) with the site in order to download. I like to
actually download topo maps rather than look at them online because
then I have them to refer to without having to go back and get them,
and I can manipulate them as I please.
The main USGS store web page
<http://store.usgs.gov/b2c_usgs/b2c/start/%28xcm=r3standardpitrex_prd%29/.do>
has a link to download topo maps free (on the right). That page has
a pretty good interface where you can enter the map name or a place
and find it on a map like in Google Maps or Map Quest and then
download the topo or other maps associated with it by following the
directions. These are GeoPDFs that are not as large as the regular
TIFF maps above, however, but they can be viewed with Acrobat Viewer
with appropriate plug-in. The large TIFF maps require a special
viewer like Global Mapper, the trial version of which you can use for
free, and which allows you to strip off the collars and seamlessly
display up to four topo maps at once. <http://www.globalmapper.com/>
The USGS store also has a caving poster under Education Products.
Mark Minton
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The French Speleological Federation is hosting an international cave rescue
training seminar from 6-14 November 2010 in the spectacular Savoie Mountains
of the French Alps. The seminar will be conducted in three languages:
French, English, Spanish. Their last seminar included people from 37
countries and was very successful, not only for training but also for the
international exchange of ideas and information.
The price is high for many U.S. pocketbooks, 1,040 Euros ($1,530 at the
current exchange rate) but it includes food and lodging as well as the
training, materials, and access to some fantastic caves. The price may be
negotiable depending on the number of people who sign up. The French Sports
Ministry is sponsoring the event and will offer some financial aid for
people from: Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Lebanon, Morocco, Norway, Portugal,
Slovakia, Spain, Tunisia, and Ukraine.
Registration is due by 30 September 2010. For more information contact
Christian Dodelin, UIS Vice President of Operations and Chairman of the UIS
Cave Rescue Commission: [email protected].
George
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In late August we were in Denver and we went to the Federal Center Map
Sales, in west central Denver. A one mile sq. complex of federal buildings
of every size and shape. One is the Topo Map Sales center of the US.
They have 45,000 different USA topo maps for sale. Pretty neat place.
They had the exact topos we needed for some 14ers.
I still have the map tube , and topos, for the first topo maps I ordered in
1961, while still in high school.
Preston in western KY
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Can't get the same price as 1961, though. I was appalled at the USGS price
jump just instituted when I bought maps in '64: they had just raised the
price each from 25 cents to 35 cents. And the local retailer wanted 50 cents
each, plus tax!
Ah, the good old days...
Jim Evatt
From: "Preston Forsythe" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; "Mark Minton" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 4:12 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] US Topo Maps ...Paper
In late August we were in Denver and we went to the Federal Center Map
Sales, in west central Denver. A one mile sq. complex of federal buildings
of every size and shape. One is the Topo Map Sales center of the US.
They have 45,000 different USA topo maps for sale. Pretty neat place.
They had the exact topos we needed for some 14ers.
I still have the map tube , and topos, for the first topo maps I ordered
in 1961, while still in high school.
Preston in western KY
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:49:09 -0600
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From: Mike Gross <[email protected]>
Subject: More on USGS maps
Keep quality maps alive -- order some today.
Assuming that everyone saw the post by Preston.
The rest of the story on USGS maps is that most retail vendors have gone
over to a system of printing out scans of the maps on the spot. An example
is Miller Blueprint in Austin, which used to be THE source in town. The
on-the-spot prints of scans are seriously inferior in terms of paper
quality and print quality to the offset printed maps from USGS. A
side-by-side of one of the ink-jet prints with a "real" USGS map will
make the difference jump out. The worse part is that USGS is also planning
to stop printing maps that don't get requested often and go to the system
of ink-jet prints of scans for the rarely-ordered maps.
The message is: order maps generously and often, and directly from USGS.
Who ever had a map they regretted buying. It's easy and cheap at
http://topomaps.usgs.gov/. Get the index map for states you're interested
in to keep track of which maps cover what ground, and which ones you
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Can any of you hook up Dr. Barjadze with an interested biologist and NSS member
?
From:shalva Barjadze <[email protected]><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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Subject:Re: request from Georgia -- NSS International Participation Grant
List-Post: [email protected]
Date:12/06/2009 02:30 PM
To:John Moses <[email protected]>
Many thanks for your reply. I study Collembolans of the Georgian caves. I am
interested to know - who studies cave-dwelling invertebrate animal from the
members of NSS ?
Thanks in advance.
Shalva Barjadze
PhD, Senior Research Scientist,
<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
/>Institute of Zoology,
Chavchavadze av. 31, 0179,
Tbilisi, GEORGIA (CAUCASUS)
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Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 7:58:51 AM
Subject: Re: request from Georgia -- NSS International Participation Grant
Dr. Barjadze --
The criteria for awarding the two international grants is shown on the NSS web
site at:
http://www.caves.org/grants/nss_intl_participation_home_page.htm
It is most helpful if grants involve a joint effort between a member of the NSS
and the foreign speleologist.
Please contact me with any questions.
John Moses
NSS International Secretary
El Paso, Texas
[email protected]
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From: "shalva Barjadze" [[email protected]]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: 11/25/2009 02:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: request from Georgia
Dear Dr. John Moses,
I am a Georgian speleobiologist. I study cave-dwelling springtails (Collembola)
Can I apply for NSS International Speleological Participation Grant ? Maximum
how many participant can participate in the project ? Is it important to submit
bilateral project ?
Thank you very much for your reply and help in advance.
Yours sincerely
Shalva Barjadze
PhD, Senior Research Scientist,
Institute of Zoology,
Chavchavadze av. 31, 0179,
Tbilisi, GEORGIA (CAUCASUS)
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The Global Mapper link in Mark's note apparently today is a redirect
to something else, which looks suspiciously like an "eastern" web
site. A few hours later it just gave an error
"Internal Server Error"
http://www.sec-center.com/vb/ leads to: something else. Virus
perhaps? Hopefully they will get rid of the bad stuff so we can see
their web site.
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HOWEVER, I thought I would mention a New Mexico map source:
The New Mexico Resource Geographic Information System (RGIS) is a
cooperative program between the University of New Mexico (UNM) and the
State of New Mexico Information Technology Commission (ITC).
http://rgis.unm.edu/intro.cfm
If you are looking for NM maps this is a good source.
- Pete
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Pete Lindsley said:
>The Global Mapper link in Mark's note apparently today is a
redirect to something else, which looks suspiciously like an
"eastern" web site. A few hours later it just gave an error "Internal
Server Error" http://www.sec-center.com/vb/ leads to: something
else. Virus perhaps? Hopefully they will get rid of the bad stuff so
we can see their web site.
That is very bizarre. I cut and pasted that URL
<http://www.globalmapper.com/> from the Global Mapper web page that I
had just opened on my computer. I just tried it again and it works
fine. I wonder if Pete has a virus that is usurping URLs, which I
think someone mentioned recently. Or maybe the Global Mapper site
was temporarily hit by something. In any event, if my URL doesn't
work or looks suspicious, just type in the characters or Google
Global Mapper and you should get their site as one of the first
couple that come up. I find their software, even the somewhat
limited free version, to be the best for using USGS topo map TIFF
images. (One annoying limitation of the free version is that
printing and saving views are disabled. This is easily circumvented,
however, by capturing a screen image ("print screen" key on a PC) of
the view you want to print, and then pasting it into an empty image
in a photo program like the excellent and free IrfanView
<http://www.irfanview.com/>. You can then manipulate that captured
image to crop out borders, etc., leaving you a simple topo snapshot
that can be printed and saved.)
Mark Minton
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this gets weirder and weirder.
When I click Mark's globalmapper link it takes me to this security web site:
http://sec-center.com/
When I type in the address by hand I get the same thing.
-Vivian
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> Pete Lindsley said:
>
> >The Global Mapper link in Mark's note apparently today is a
> redirect to something else, which looks suspiciously like an
> "eastern" web site. A few hours later it just gave an error "Internal
> Server Error" http://www.sec-center.com/vb/ leads to: something
> else. Virus perhaps? Hopefully they will get rid of the bad stuff so
> we can see their web site.
>
> That is very bizarre. I cut and pasted that URL
> from the Global Mapper web page that I
> had just opened on my computer. I just tried it again and it works
> fine. I wonder if Pete has a virus that is usurping URLs, which I
> think someone mentioned recently. Or maybe the Global Mapper site
> was temporarily hit by something. In any event, if my URL doesn't
> work or looks suspicious, just type in the characters or Google
> Global Mapper and you should get their site as one of the first
> couple that come up. I find their software, even the somewhat
> limited free version, to be the best for using USGS topo map TIFF
> images. (One annoying limitation of the free version is that
> printing and saving views are disabled. This is easily circumvented,
> however, by capturing a screen image ("print screen" key on a PC) of
> the view you want to print, and then pasting it into an empty image
> in a photo program like the excellent and free IrfanView
> . You can then manipulate that captured
> image to crop out borders, etc., leaving you a simple topo snapshot
> that can be printed and saved.)
>
> Mark Minton
>
> You may reply to [email protected]
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Same here, and when going to the Googled search link it also go there.
It may be they got hacked and Mark has not refreshed the website on his
machine.
A quick look for whois notes for the domain www.globalmapper.com shows
that the domain owner info was updated on the Dec 9th from it's old
owner to Godaddy.com. This could be a source of the confusion.
Terry H.
[email protected] wrote:
this gets weirder and weirder.
When I click Mark's globalmapper link it takes me to this security web
site: http://sec-center.com/
When I type in the address by hand I get the same thing.
-Vivian
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<[email protected]>: --------------
> Pete Lindsley said:
>
> >The Global Mapper link in Mark's note apparently today is a
> redirect to something else, which looks suspiciously like an
> "eastern" web site. A few hours later it just gave an error
"Internal
> Server Error" http://www.sec-center.com/vb/ leads to: something
> else. Virus perhaps? Hopefully they will get rid of the bad stuff so
> we can see their web site.
>
> That is very bizarre. I cut and pasted that URL
> from the Global Mapper web page that I
> had just opened on my computer. I just tried it again and it works
> fine. I wonder if Pete has a virus that is usurping URLs, which I
> think someone mentioned recently. Or maybe the Global Mapper site
> was temporarily hit by something. In any event, if my URL doesn't
> work or looks suspicious, just type in the characters or Google
> Global Mapper and you should get their site as one of the first
> couple that come up. I find their software, even the somewhat
> limited free version, to be the best for using USGS topo map TIFF
> images. (One annoying limitation of the free version is that
> printing and saving views are disabled. This is easily circumvented,
> however, by capturing a screen image ("print screen" key on a PC) of
> the view you want to print, and then pasting it into an empty image
> in a photo program like the excellent and free IrfanView
> . You can then manipulate that captured
> image to crop out borders, etc., leaving you a simple topo snapshot
> that can be printed and saved.)
>
> Mark Minton
>
> You may reply to [email protected]
> Permanent email address is [email protected]
>
>
>
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Several people have written that they were unable to get to
the Global Mapper web site. I tried it again and it came up, but
when I refreshed the page I got a notice that it was not currently
available, so I guess my apparent success the last couple of days was
indeed because it was in my cache. Hopefully they'll get their
problem solved and be back up soon. In the mean time the installer
is also available through third parties, like CNET
<http://download.cnet.com/Global-Mapper/3000-2054_4-10882360.html>.
Mark
Same here, and when going to the Googled search link it also go
there. It may be they got hacked and Mark has not refreshed the
website on his machine.
A quick look for whois notes for the domain www.globalmapper.com
shows that the domain owner info was updated on the Dec 9th from
it's old owner to Godaddy.com. This could be a source of the confusion.
Terry H.
[email protected] wrote:
this gets weirder and weirder.
When I click Mark's globalmapper link it takes me to this security
web site: http://sec-center.com/
When I type in the address by hand I get the same thing.
-Vivian
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<[email protected]>: --------------
> Pete Lindsley said:
>
> >The Global Mapper link in Mark's note apparently today is a
> redirect to something else, which looks suspiciously like an
> "eastern" web site. A few hours later it just gave an error
"Internal
> Server Error" http://www.sec-center.com/vb/ leads to: something
> else. Virus perhaps? Hopefully they will get rid of the bad stuff so
> we can see their web site.
>
> That is very bizarre. I cut and pasted that URL
> from the Global Mapper web page that I
> had just opened on my computer. I just tried it again and it works
> fine. I wonder if Pete has a virus that is usurping URLs, which I
> think someone mentioned recently. Or maybe the Global Mapper site
> was temporarily hit by something. In any event, if my URL doesn't
> work or looks suspicious, just type in the characters or Google
> Global Mapper and you should get their site as one of the first
> couple that come up. I find their software, even the somewhat
> limited free version, to be the best for using USGS topo map TIFF
> images. (One annoying limitation of the free version is that
> printing and saving views are disabled. This is easily circumvented,
> however, by capturing a screen image ("print screen" key on a PC) of
> the view you want to print, and then pasting it into an empty image
> in a photo program like the excellent and free IrfanView
> . You can then manipulate that captured
> image to crop out borders, etc., leaving you a simple topo snapshot
> that can be printed and saved.)
>
> Mark Minton
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A retired co-worker (a geochemist) from the USGS office in Richmond, VA died
last week and he was an old time Florida cave diver.. know of any cave divers
who might might be able to post this Richmond obit in the proper place?
His name is Larry Briel and he was from back in the 1960s.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesdispatch/obituary.aspx?n=lawrence-briel&pid=136894714
BRIEL, Dr. Lawrence Ingram Jr., 69, of Richmond, passed away on Thursday,
December 3, 2009. He was the son of Lawrence I. and Elizabeth Allison Briel.
Surviving are his brother, John G. Briel; sister-in-law, Lori W. Briel of
Richmond; and sister, Suzanne B. Farrior of Fayetteville, N.C. Dr. Briel was a
geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey of the Department of the Interior.
Graveside services on Monday, December 7, 2009 at 11:30 a.m. at Hollywood
Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Hospice of
Virginia, Retreat Chapter, 2621 Grove Ave., Richmond, Va. 23220.
Ted
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