Fritz, Thomas, and All,
I should have made it clear that I was not advocating that cavers
should support Clean Water Action or agree with all of its ideas. I
was just trying to describe who they are and what they do, in response
to Gill's initial query and the follow-up responses. I agree with some
of the points you made, and the last thing I want to do is start
a(nother) never-ending discussion on this list about issues that are so
controversial and unresolvable.
So, let's get back to caves and caving. I know there was a Colorado
Bend project this weekend, and a TCMA meeting. Anyone want to give a
brief report on those events? Anyone else go caving? Please, someone,
anyone.
Logan
P.S. Thomas, tell me more about using cellulose for ethanol
(OFFLINE)! ;)
Fritz Holt wrote:
Sorry, I must take an opposing view. I
consider myself an environmentalist but if there really is such a thing
as “clean”
coal technology I am for it. We have plenty of it. I also think that
generating
electricity from nuclear energy makes good sense. The best solution may
be
natural gas but our federal government needs to wake up to the fact
that to get
it we must drill for it as well as for oil as we will never be without
the need
for this commodity. It is crazy to be importing it from our enemies. No
one loves
our Texas Hill Country more than I but I don’t believe that these
activities
will be harmful if sensibly regulated which does not mean banning them.
I
believe that cavers who owned a tract of land would accept a very
lucrative offer
to lease it for oil and gas exploration. That’s not greed, its good
sense. Let the naysayers come forth.
Fritz
From: Thomas Sitch
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009
5:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re:
Clean Water Action
"Tell San Anonio's [and New Braunfels ',
and Georgetown 's]
Mayor and City Council Not To Support Nuclear Energy"
"Support A Moratorium On New Permits For Coal-Burning
Power
Plants"
I love political activists who are very specific on
shutting down
energy production but very vague on creating it, e.g.
"Tell the Austin City Council To Support
Clean Energy"
How about "donate to build power lines to the T. Boons
Pickins
wind farms" or "research fund for cellulosic ethanol."
Sorry, what was this about? Clean water? Yes, which goes
to
caves, and we don't have enough of it. Down with nuclear energy!!
From: Logan
McNatt <[email protected]>
To: George Veni
<[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 4:51:20
PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Clean
Water Action
I've been donating to Clean Water Action since 2000, and they are still
a
viable national organization with a Texas chapter based in Austin :
http://www.cleanwateraction.org/tx
The first thing that impressed me was they still have people going door
to door
once a year, at least in south Austin where Gill and I live.
Although Annalisa of GEAA said CWA does not get involved in local
issues, the
issues on their website include:
"The Coming Crisis: Water Availability and Municipal Conservation
Efforts in Central Texas",
"Tell the Austin City Council To Support
Clean Energy"
"Tell San Anonio's [and New Braunfels ', and Georgetown 's]
Mayor and City Council Not To Support Nuclear Energy"
"Increase Funding for State Parks"
"Get The Mercury Out Of Our Skies And Water"
"Support A Moratorium On New Permits For Coal-Burning Power Plants"
Obviously they are an advocacy/lobbying group, so donations are not
tax-deductible. I agree with Stephan that it seems like there is a lot
of
duplication of effort among the plethora of environmental groups, but
many of
the smaller groups are devoted to a specific geographic area or issue,
and
cannot actively lobby, unlike CWA.
Logan
George Veni wrote:
Clean Water Action has been working in the Austin and
San Antonio areas since at least the mid-1980s. They have worked to
lobby government and
agencies, and work cooperatively with other green groups to prevent
water
degradation. I haven’t seen them much in the past 10 years and
don’t know if the organization crashed and is now recovering or if it
simply got diverted to other projects in other areas.
George
RE: Clean
Water Action
A few
months ago a fellow came by the house representing an outfit called
'Clean
Water Action' ostensibly soliciting funds to promote awareness of and
promoting lobbying for clean water in some form or fashion. Since clean
water
is a current topic of interest in South Austin and other parts of the
world it
would be a good thing to hype if one wanted to make a few bucks from
folks with
good environmental intentions but who haven't the time to keep up with
every
environmental interest group that comes along. I gave them a few bucks
and
signed their petition and filled out a personal data card. A few days
ago I got
a phone call from them asking for a pretty good slug of money. I asked
for more
information. A letter followed but with nebulous details.
Does
anybody have any knowledge of these guys? Where do they fit in with
SOS, the
City of Austin ,
the various water conservation districts that some of our cavers work
at? Can
anybody cite me any references of their good work? Etc, etc? If they're
on the
up-and-up I want to support them, but I've never heard of them before
and want
a better idea of who they are and what they really do.
--Ediger
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