texascavers Digest 16 Dec 2009 23:09:19 -0000 Issue 924
Topics (messages 13050 through 13058):
Re: Mexican car permits
13050 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
Re: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
13051 by: Gill Edigar
13054 by: caverarch.aol.com
13056 by: Fritz Holt
New Thread - Over reliance on GPS is causing our brains to shrink
13052 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
13053 by: Bill Bentley
13055 by: Fritz Holt
Digital newsletters and GPS reliance
13057 by: David Caudle
13058 by: Fritz Holt
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Maybe the appropriate mordida is posted on their web site.
I also have been able to return a sticker at the Dallas consulate, but
it was over 5 years ago.
Diana
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Jim Kennedy wrote:
> That is not entirely true, because I have done it myself, after I
> had a
> truck sold without first having the sticker cancelled. The people
> were
> even nice enough to issue me a new sticker for my new vehicle on the
> spot. This was at the consulate in Austin. Although I have heard
> recently that they Banjercito guy is no longer stationed there, so you
> can't do it any more.
>
> -- Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terri Sprouse [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29 AM
> To: Cave Tex; Diana Tomchick
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican car permits
>
> This, from Peter:
>
> "Turning in permits at consulates has never been possible, despite
> lingering myths."
>
> Terri
>
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
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Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
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GPS is OK if you have coordinates, etc handy. But still not nearly as handy,
while talking on the phone, as a pencil and a note in the margin: SB 37,
Smithson exit, 1.2 m, L Concho St, 3 blk, RT Gibson, 2 blk, 2608, bat stkr.
No where near as handy. GPS is a good tool for serious work, a good toy for
just messing around, but a lot of extra work for just getting to some simple
place when basic directions will suffice--way overrated.
--Ediger
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>wrote:
> You need to write down directions?! That’s what a GPS is for…
>
>
>
> I agree that an electronic publication can/should be downloaded to the
> electronic devices we all carry now-a-days .
>
>
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
> *Gill Edigar
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
>
>
>
> You are right, Minton. I forgot to mention that. Carrying a Members Manual
> in the car can be invaluable on long road trips or just making a visit to
> somebody's house. It can, of course, be loaded into a phone or palm pilot or
> similar device. But I like paper, especially if I have to take notes--as in
> directions to somewhere.
>
> --Ediger
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Mark Minton <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Stefan said:
>
> >Why would one (want to) download and print an online publication (the
> "members manual")? Surely the whole point of it being online is so you don't
> have a printed copy?!!
>
> I like to have printed members manuals with me when I travel. They
> are very handy for calling up a friend if you happen to be passing through
> or are looking for a place to stay, break down and need help, etc. Access
> to online information is not always available.
>
> Mark Minton
>
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I have hooked up with trips, crashed on a number of caver floors, and generally
enjoyed caver hospitality as a result of travelling with the Members Manual.
So what if most of my such experiences are ancient history? I know that a good
number of younger cavers still do the same, and I don't rule out doing so (or
offering my own floor) again.
Roger Moore
GHG
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From: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2009 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
You are right, Minton. I forgot to mention that. Carrying a Members Manual in
the car can be invaluable on long road trips or just making a visit to
somebody's house. It can, of course, be loaded into a phone or palm pilot or
similar device. But I like paper, especially if I have to take notes--as in
directions to somewhere.
--Ediger
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Mark Minton <[email protected]> wrote:
Stefan said:
>Why would one (want to) download and print an online publication (the "members
>manual")? Surely the whole point of it being online is so you don't have a
>printed copy?!!
I like to have printed members manuals with me when I travel. They are
very handy for calling up a friend if you happen to be passing through or are
looking for a place to stay, break down and need help, etc. Access to online
information is not always available.
Mark Minton
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I don't own one (and don't want one) but have found them to be more confusing
than helpful in locating an address. They give you six directions to get out of
your driveway and sub division. I prefer a Key Map.
Geezer
________________________________
From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
You need to write down directions?! That's what a GPS is for...
I agree that an electronic publication can/should be downloaded to the
electronic devices we all carry now-a-days .
Stefan
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Interesting article that was in the hard copy of the Dallas Morning News
this past Sunday.
Explains in great detail as to how over-reliance on GPS devices can/will
cause of the loss of spatial thought, which is controlled by the
hippocampus in our brains.
http://www.allbusiness.com/science-technology/behavior-cognition-psychol
ogy/13544176-1.html
Mark (still gets lost the old fashioned way)
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Gill Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:58 PM
To: Stefan Creaser
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
GPS is OK if you have coordinates, etc handy. But still not nearly as
handy, while talking on the phone, as a pencil and a note in the margin:
SB 37, Smithson exit, 1.2 m, L Concho St, 3 blk, RT Gibson, 2 blk, 2608,
bat stkr. No where near as handy. GPS is a good tool for serious work, a
good toy for just messing around, but a lot of extra work for just
getting to some simple place when basic directions will suffice--way
overrated.
--Ediger
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Stefan Creaser
<[email protected]> wrote:
You need to write down directions?! That's what a GPS is for...
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I had always thought the hippocampus was a school for Hippopotamuses...
(I haven't been lost since the last time I was...
Bill
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From: [email protected]
To: Gill Edigar ; Stefan Creaser
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:05 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] New Thread - Over reliance on GPS is causing our
brains to shrink
Interesting article that was in the hard copy of the Dallas Morning News this
past Sunday.
Explains in great detail as to how over-reliance on GPS devices can/will
cause of the loss of spatial thought, which is controlled by the hippocampus in
our brains.
http://www.allbusiness.com/science-technology/behavior-cognition-psychology/13544176-1.html
Mark (still gets lost the old fashioned way)
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:58 PM
To: Stefan Creaser
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
GPS is OK if you have coordinates, etc handy. But still not nearly as handy,
while talking on the phone, as a pencil and a note in the margin: SB 37,
Smithson exit, 1.2 m, L Concho St, 3 blk, RT Gibson, 2 blk, 2608, bat stkr. No
where near as handy. GPS is a good tool for serious work, a good toy for just
messing around, but a lot of extra work for just getting to some simple place
when basic directions will suffice--way overrated.
--Ediger
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>
wrote:
You need to write down directions?! That's what a GPS is for.
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Fritz still finds his destination the old fashioned way - with a natural sense
of direction. (Except for failing to take the correct highway when taking
visitors to Kickapoo during ICS, right Denise)?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:06 PM
To: Gill Edigar; Stefan Creaser
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] New Thread - Over reliance on GPS is causing our brains
to shrink
Interesting article that was in the hard copy of the Dallas Morning News this
past Sunday.
Explains in great detail as to how over-reliance on GPS devices can/will cause
of the loss of spatial thought, which is controlled by the hippocampus in our
brains.
http://www.allbusiness.com/science-technology/behavior-cognition-psychology/13544176-1.html
Mark (still gets lost the old fashioned way)
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I recently retired from 30 years of maintaining electronic imaging equipment,
so I'm not a total luddite on technology.
I own a nice GPS , my second, and I find that it isn't used at all on roads.
Near home, I usually know where to go,and on road trips,I get a good map. GPS
is for use in the woods, or in the brush that passes for woods in Texas:>)
I got rid of my cell phone and beeper , aka electronic tether, when I got rid
of the job. I haven't missed either of those , and I don't feel any void in my
life from lack of instant communication.
Most of my thoughts are not worthy of sharing with the world, and the few that
might be worthy benefit from a spell of incubation in my head. I suggest that
perhaps this is true of many other's thoughts, as well.
I like Gill's ideas about the Texas Caver .
David Caudle,
mostly TAG caver, but coming to visit Texas in April.
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I may get rid of my cell phone when my wife gets rid of me and my daughters
won't speak, which I hope never happens. Until then I will stay connected. You
will be welcomed to the center of the caving universe if you make it to Austin.
Fritz (in Houston)
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From: David Caudle [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Digital newsletters and GPS reliance
I recently retired from 30 years of maintaining electronic imaging equipment,
so I'm not a total luddite on technology.
I own a nice GPS , my second, and I find that it isn't used at all on roads.
Near home, I usually know where to go,and on road trips,I get a good map. GPS
is for use in the woods, or in the brush that passes for woods in Texas:>)
I got rid of my cell phone and beeper , aka electronic tether, when I got rid
of the job. I haven't missed either of those , and I don't feel any void in my
life from lack of instant communication.
Most of my thoughts are not worthy of sharing with the world, and the few that
might be worthy benefit from a spell of incubation in my head. I suggest that
perhaps this is true of many other's thoughts, as well.
I like Gill's ideas about the Texas Caver .
David Caudle,
mostly TAG caver, but coming to visit Texas in April.
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