texascavers Digest 19 Dec 2009 14:58:17 -0000 Issue 929
Topics (messages 13113 through 13123):
Re: archiving your cave data
13113 by: Preston Forsythe
13120 by: Robert Tait
13122 by: Rod Goke
13123 by: Chris Vreeland
Re: TSA project curious question
13114 by: mark gee
13116 by: Stefan Creaser
13117 by: mark gee
13118 by: Gill Edigar
13119 by: mark gee
Re: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?
13115 by: Louise Power
The December 2009 Issue of the Hole News
13121 by: Bill Bentley
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A few years ago I visited the American Mountaineering Club in Golden, CO. Spent
some time in the archival library. Climate, humidity and fire control are very
important for long term preservation of our important work. There is indeed an
art and science to archives, and the librarian there would be glad to discuss
this with anyone. I took lots of notes hopefully of use in planning CRF's new
library at Hamilton Valley. I think the librarian had a masters degree in
archiving material.
Preston
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From: John P Brooks
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data
I have kept paper copies of the Texas Caver around for over 30
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I use a service, that back up my hard drive over the internet. The one I
use is http://mozy.com/, but there are several out there. Costs me less
than $100 to have a frequently updated image of my laptop hard drive
(automatic, transparent, and encrypted). I would not call this archival,
per se, but it's useful to have. ALL of my digital images going back to the
shots I started taking in '98 are on my laptop.
I spread sever CDs of Austin cave trips around back in 2000, I have no clue
how they were stored, or if they still work.
My hard drive has to get bigger every couple of years.
Now that I am shooting video, there simply is not room on my laptop hard
drive, so I have installed a 1 Tb raid array in the basement of my ex wifes
house that is connected to the internet. The array has dual mirrored hard
drives, if one fails, we have redundant backup. A mirror of
THAT drive is located at my Son's house. As the drives start to fail, we
simply replace them. It's not as cheap as CDs, but as drive technology
changes, and drive interfaces change we can leapfrog with the technology.
I can also give people read only access to specific directories.
Again, throwing money at a problem helps. Not foolproof. A virus could wipe
out my raid arrays, poor data management could corrupt the data. But it's
worked so far... :)
My, two cents from upstate New York
Cheers y'all
Rob
PS.. I wonder if one day, people will start backing up digital images
on Kodachrome, for archival storage... never mind.
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Why archive data on CDs or DVDs at all? Why not use external hard disk drives instead? They're getting cheaper in dollars/gigabyte all the time, and one drive can store the equivalent of a large collection of CDs and DVDs. It's easy to copy the entire content from one external drive to another, so you can easily back up your entire archival data collection and store separate copies in separate safe locations if you get 2 or more drives for this purpose. Similarly, whenever your archival drives become old enough that you suspect they might become too obsolete or unreliable, you can copy your archived data to a newer external hard drive much more quickly and easily that you can copy a large collection of CDs or DVDs. If you want to minimize cost and your data collection isn't large enough to require the storage capacity of a new state-of-the-art disk drive, then consider buying some smaller capacity used drives from Craigslist or the Goodwill Computer Store (ComputerWorks). Also, if you want to use multiple external disk drives (e.g., for storing multiple copies in different locations or for archiving different kinds of data on separate disks) and if you intend to store some of these drives a long time before you expect to access them, then you probably can save money by buying multiple "internal" disk drives (as opposed to "external" drives) plus one or two external drive enclosures. You then mount each internal drive in an external enclosure just long enough to copy data to it, and then you remove the drive from the enclosure and pack it safely away for long term storage. This is practical primarily for long term archiving of data you don't expect to update or otherwise access any time soon. Similarly, it's a good way to archive a "cloned" copy of the original internal disk content of a new computer before you begin doing anything to modify it (in case you ever need to restore the computer's internal disk to its original state, and your "restore" CDs/DVDs no longer work). Sometimes lower capacity used internal disk drives suitable for this purpose can be purchased very cheaply.
Rod
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On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Robert Tait wrote:
I use a service, that back up my hard drive over the internet. The
one I use is http://mozy.com/, but there are several out there.
Costs me less than $100 to have a frequently updated image of my
laptop hard drive (automatic, transparent, and encrypted).
If you can afford it, this is a good short-term hedge against
disaster, for mission-critical files. I am not going to trust (long
term) a for-profit business with archiving my files. What if they
don't turn a profit and shut down one day?
I spread sever CDs of Austin cave trips around back in 2000, I have
no clue how they were stored, or if they still work.
My hard drive has to get bigger every couple of years.
The rate at which hard drive storage is expanding vs. cost, I've found
that my data isn't doubling at quite the prevailing rate for hard
drives, so I've been able to move to the next affordable size up in
hard drives without it being a headache since I first seriously
started storing data on computers, in about 2001. I think the
progression at home has been 20GB> 60GB> 120GB> 250GB> 500GB. All for
around $100.00-$150.00 each time. (wait until the size you need isn't
the biggest & best -- there's always a sweet-spot just below huge
that's affordable Compare 2TB to 1TB disks in price, right now)
As to backing up -- I have two internal drives. 1 is system & software
only. The other is data only. The point to that being a nuke & pave of
the system drive does not have to be accompanied by the gnashing of
teeth over data. I have 2 external drives in the house, which are
mirrors (backed up daily & weekly) of the two internal drives. This is
a hedge against drive failure, only. I also back up all RAW files from
the camera to DVD, as well as some other mission-critical data,
like .AIF files from 24-track studio recordings, that were expensive.
Lastly, I have removable drives that I occasionally back all this up
to (every couple months, when I remember, or when there's a huge
project that needs backing up) that live off site. If my house burns
down/is burgled, I hope that these drives don't fail simultaneously. :-)
I have some data CD's that are approaching the 10-year mark now, so
I'll be curious to dig them out & see how they're doing, at some point
on a slow day. I certainly don't trust them as a sole source for
critical files.
PS.. I wonder if one day, people will start backing up digital
images on Kodachrome, for archival storage... never mind.
*pours 40*
*snif*
Chris
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Its two Dollars
--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mark Alman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: "Gill Edigar" <[email protected]>, "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM
For you, Lyndon, it's $20! 8^)>
Mark
From: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:48:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
$1
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lyndon Tiu <[email protected]> wrote:
I seem to remember that every time one attends a TSA work trip (e.g. CBSP), one
has to pay ... was it $5 or $10 per person per work trip/weekend ?
Is this still being collected?
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Lyndon Tiu
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Can you pay with PayPal or does one have to use paper money? ;-)
From: mark gee [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:07 PM
To: Gill Edigar; Cavers Texas; Mark Alman
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
Its two Dollars
--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mark Alman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: "Gill Edigar" <[email protected]>, "Cavers Texas"
<[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM
For you, Lyndon, it's $20! 8^)>
Mark
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From: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:48:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
$1
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lyndon Tiu <[email protected]
<http://us.mc539.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >
wrote:
I seem to remember that every time one attends a TSA work trip (e.g.
CBSP), one has to pay ... was it $5 or $10 per person per work
trip/weekend ?
Is this still being collected?
--
Lyndon Tiu
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For you just one bill with a 5 in each corner.
--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:09 PM
Can you pay with PayPal or does one have to use paper money? ;-)
From: mark gee [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:07 PM
To: Gill Edigar; Cavers Texas; Mark Alman
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
Its two Dollars
--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mark Alman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: "Gill Edigar" <[email protected]>, "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM
For you, Lyndon, it's $20! 8^)>
Mark
From: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:48:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
$1
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lyndon Tiu <[email protected]> wrote:
I seem to remember that every time one attends a TSA work trip (e.g. CBSP), one
has to pay ... was it $5 or $10 per person per work trip/weekend ?
Is this still being collected?
--
Lyndon Tiu
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You can use dollar coins if you wish.
--Ediger
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>wrote:
> Can you pay with PayPal or does one have to use paper money? ;-)
>
>
>
> *From:* mark gee [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2009 4:07 PM
> *To:* Gill Edigar; Cavers Texas; Mark Alman
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
>
>
>
> Its two Dollars
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Mark Alman <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
> To: "Gill Edigar" <[email protected]>, "Cavers Texas" <
> [email protected]>
> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM
>
> For you, Lyndon, it's $20! 8^)>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
> *To:* Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wed, December 16, 2009 6:48:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
>
> $1
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lyndon Tiu
> <[email protected]<http://us.mc539.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
> wrote:
>
>
> I seem to remember that every time one attends a TSA work trip (e.g. CBSP),
> one has to pay ... was it $5 or $10 per person per work trip/weekend ?
>
> Is this still being collected?
>
> --
> Lyndon Tiu
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You can send me your Trade Dollar coins and I can exchange them for cash money.
Two at a time please.
Happy Caving!
--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Gill Edigar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: "Stefan Creaser" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
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Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:24 PM
You can use dollar coins if you wish.
--Ediger
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]> wrote:
Can you pay with PayPal or does one have to use paper money? ;-)
From: mark gee [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:07 PM
To: Gill Edigar; Cavers Texas; Mark Alman
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
Its two Dollars
--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mark Alman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: "Gill Edigar" <[email protected]>, "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM
For you, Lyndon, it's $20! 8^)>
Mark
From: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:48:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
$1
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lyndon Tiu <[email protected]> wrote:
I seem to remember that every time one attends a TSA work trip (e.g. CBSP), one
has to pay ... was it $5 or $10 per person per work trip/weekend ?
Is this still being collected?
--
Lyndon Tiu
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Mine stays turned off and tucked away in my purse (just in case I need it on
the road). I vowed when I got rid of my house phone about ten years ago and got
a cell phone, that it would be for my convenience only. If people can find my
number, they can call me and leave a message (I generally check it about once a
week), but there are only about five people who have the number (for
emergencies). The tether has been cut and I am not constantly on call.
Louise
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From: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?
In my case, the phone was clipped on my belt. But the belt proved not to be
thick enough to keep the phone from sliding down it and you know the rest.
Roger
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From: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>
To: Geary Schindel <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected]
<[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 11:40 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?
Our plumber Marty has a plumbing business with his two sons. One day we were
having a problem with our connection to the Irving City Sewer system (tree
roots had invaded the line, which we eventually replaced) and Marty was bent
over the open connection to our sewer line, preparing to run a snake down it.
His youngest son chastised him loudly for leaving his cell phone in his front
shirt pocket. You wouldn't think that the odds would be high for having the
phone slide out of a shirt pocket and down such a small hole, but apparently
this had become a rather expensive occupational hazard for him.
Diana
On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Geary Schindel wrote:
> Yes,
>
> Also storing things in your shirt pockets around open water wells > creates
> certain opportunities you don’t want to deal with.
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:51 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email > addresses?
>
> Don,
> I can't imagine reading The Caver on my iPhone.
> Dangerous, anyway, in the vicinity of a toilet! I lost a Motorola >
> Flip-Phone that way,
>
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Arburn <[email protected]>
> Cc: texascavers Texas <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email > addresses?
>
> I don't know about y'all, but my NSS News & Texas Caver live on the > toilet
> tank for a few weeks as browsing material during my peaceful > moments on the
> throne.
>
> I can't imagine reading The Caver on my iPhone.
>
> Don's iPhone.
>
> On Dec 17, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Chris Vreeland > <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I have yet to have a piece of paper run out of batteries.
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Greetings,
The December 2009 issue "Volume 24 # 12" of the Permian Basin Speleological
Society's "The Hole News" is now on the web in Adobe PDF format.
This exciting issue can be found at the URL listed below:
http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews/pbss1209.pdf
And as always one can relive the past with back issues, they can be found at
the
following URL:
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Kudos to Kel Thomas for his role as the editor of "The Hole News" Please
be sure to send him material!!!!!
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Bill
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