texascavers Digest 21 Dec 2009 17:50:29 -0000 Issue 931

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:50:38 -0800 (PST) 

texascavers Digest 21 Dec 2009 17:50:29 -0000 Issue 931

Topics (messages 13135 through 13144):

Re: archiving your cave data
        13135 by: Rod Goke
        13136 by: Rod Goke

Re: Mexico Green Angels
        13137 by: Q Wilkinson
        13138 by: Preston Forsythe

Re: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?
        13139 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
        13140 by: Don Arburn
        13141 by: Geary Schindel
        13142 by: wa5pok.peoplepc.com
        13143 by: Louise Power

OT -- Technology --
        13144 by: Linda Palit

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That's why it's good to buy extra external hard drives and make multiple copies. It doesn't have to be very expensive. I recently bought a used 100GB external USB drive for $20 and a used 200GB external Firewire/USB drive for $40. Both of these were purchased from individuals on Craigslist, appeared to be in excellent physical condition and have functioned properly in the testing I have done. Several months ago, I bought several used 20GB internal drives for $5 each from the Goodwill Computer Store (ComputerWorks) and found that they also tested good. For new, larger capacity drives, you frequently can find good buys by watching the weekly sales at Fry's Electronics (http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com/). For, example, about a week ago you could have bought either a 320GB external USB drive or a 500GB internal SATA drive for about $50.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Alman
Sent: Dec 19, 2009 9:28 AM
To: Rod Goke , TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

Because they crash, too, Rod.
 
I have a $150 100GB ext. HD paperweight with a bunch of data that is lost now.
 
 
Mark

From: Rod Goke <[email protected]>
To: TexasCavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 3:23:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

Why archive data on CDs or DVDs at all? Why not use external hard disk drives instead?


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It's good to know about this service in case you ever need it and can afford it, but you can buy a lot of external drives for multiple backups at less cost than one data recovery operation of this type.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Power
Sent: Dec 19, 2009 2:50 PM
To: Mark Alman , [email protected], Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

Depending on how much your data is worth to you, I can personally recommend
 
http://www.drivesaversdatarecovery.com/
 
In 2006, my hard drive at work crashed taking all my data with it. Our IT guy pulled the disk and sent it to Drive Savers Data Recovery. Their estimate was between $428-1985. It came in around $1400-1700. But it was worth it. We got back four DVDs within a week with all my data on it.  Check out their site. They can retrieve almost anything.
 
For those of you who are Federal Employees, they have a GSA contract.
 
Louise
 
List-Post: [email protected] Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:28:47 -0800
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

Because they crash, too, Rod.
 
I have a $150 100GB ext. HD paperweight with a bunch of data that is lost now.
 
 
Mark

From: Rod Goke <[email protected]>
To: TexasCavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 3:23:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

Why archive data on CDs or DVDs at all? Why not use external hard disk drives instead?


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This was started the year of the Ollym was in Mexico if my memory is right. Yep 
that old (me and them) I was on that road from Monterey to the Vera Cruz area 
that year and used them. 
Quinta

  The unthinkable happens: your car is kaput. Luckily for you, there's a 
slender shoulder that you manage to pull onto before the thing conks out. Cars 
whiz by on the highway, but no one stops. Or maybe several helpful citizens 
stop, but can't help, because your fuel pump is busted. 
  Being stuck on the side of the road is stressful in any situation, but 
especially in a foreign country where language may be a barrier. Since the 
1970s, the federally funded Angeles Verdes, or Green Angels, have proved a 
godsend to motorists in distress from Tijuana to Ticul. 
  In the old days you had to wait for the blessed sight of a dark green Angeles 
Verdes truck to trundle into view, but today salvation for those who run out of 
gas, can't fix a flat, or blow a water pump is just a phone call away. 
  How to Get Help 
  Dial 078 from any cell phone or TELMEX phone booth. Your call will be routed 
to the Green Angels' Mexico City dispatch office. Agents there will radio the 
appropriate unit throughout the country. Green Angels don't service every 
little backwater, however they do patrol all federal and toll highways. 
  The tow trucks typically make a full-circuit trip of each highway per day, in 
addition to responding to emergency calls. Agents typically

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Last summer we saw some Green Angels on the pre-congress Northern Mexico 
Bustamante trip.

Preston
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Q Wilkinson 
  To: TexasCavers 
  Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexico Green Angels


  This was started the year of the Ollym was in Mexico if my memory is right. 
Yep that old (me and them) I was on that road from Monterey to the Vera Cruz 
area that year and used them. 
  Quinta

    The unthinkable happens: your car is kaput. Luckily for you, there's a 
slender shoulder that you manage to pull onto before the thing conks out. Cars 
whiz by on the highway, but no one stops. Or maybe several helpful citizens 
stop, but can't help, because your fuel pump is busted. 
    Being stuck on the side of the road is stressful in any situation, but 
especially in a foreign country where language may be a barrier. Since the 
1970s, the federally funded Angeles Verdes, or Green Angels, have proved a 
godsend to motorists in distress from Tijuana to Ticul. 
    In the old days you had to wait for the blessed sight of a dark green 
Angeles Verdes truck to trundle into view, but today salvation for those who 
run out of gas, can't fix a flat, or blow a water pump is just a phone call 
away. 
    How to Get Help 
    Dial 078 from any cell phone or TELMEX phone booth. Your call will be 
routed to the Green Angels' Mexico City dispatch office. Agents there will 
radio the appropriate unit throughout the country. Green Angels don't service 
every little backwater, however they do patrol all federal and toll highways. 
    The tow trucks typically make a full-circuit trip of each highway per day, 
in addition to responding to emergency calls. Agents typically

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I like your style, Louise!
 
 
I keep my candy bar cell phone in the truck and, usually, turned off.
 
I hate to sound like a Luddite, but, I can't understand how so many people's 
lives revolve around or are tethered to their cell phones, especially, the 
iPhones. (Addicted?)
 
My kids are the biggest culprits, but, as long as they're paying their own 
bills, I don't care.
 
 
Now, don't get me started on the folks I see every day yacking/texting on their 
phones on LBJ!
 
 
Unplugged and loving it!
 
 
Mark
 
 
 

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From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Fri 12/18/2009 4:07 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?


Mine stays turned off and tucked away in my purse (just in case I need it on 
the road). I vowed when I got rid of my house phone about ten years ago and got 
a cell phone, that it would be for my convenience only. If people can find my 
number, they can call me and leave a message (I generally check it about once a 
week), but there are only about five people who have the number (for 
emergencies). The tether has been cut and I am not constantly on call.
 
Louise

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--- Begin Message --- Editor of the Caver. You probably are between the keyboard and chair more than most of us. Luddite, ain't that rich!
I'm not so much tethered to my iPhone (I turn off the phone regularly) as having a toolkit in my pocket. Calculator, weather, map, translator, radio, remote control, dictionary, camera, sky chart, movie listing, chemical light stick, clock, currency exchange, tip calculator, bird identification book, text, email, Google, and a dozen other ways to pass the time while waiting for my tractor... 

In one small package.


Don's iPhone.

On Dec 21, 2009, at 7:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:


I like your style, Louise!


I keep my candy bar cell phone in the truck and, usually, turned off.
I hate to sound like a Luddite, but, I can't understand how so many people's lives revolve around or are tethered to their cell phones, especially, the iPhones. (Addicted?)
My kids are the biggest culprits, but, as long as they're paying their own bills, I don't care.
Now, don't get me started on the folks I see every day yacking/ texting on their phones on LBJ! 


Unplugged and loving it!


Mark




From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Fri 12/18/2009 4:07 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?
Mine stays turned off and tucked away in my purse (just in case I need it on the road). I vowed when I got rid of my house phone about ten years ago and got a cell phone, that it would be for my convenience only. If people can find my number, they can call me and leave a message (I generally check it about once a week), but there are only about five people who have the number (for emergencies). The tether has been cut and I am not constantly on call. 

Louise

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Reminds me of the Shakespeare quote -

The lady (or man) doth protest too much, methinks.

Anyway, it is a great tool to avoid having to socially interact with people, 
whether you’re texting, looking something up, or pretending to do either.

LOL,

G

From: Don Arburn [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:50 AM
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?

Editor of the Caver. You probably are between the keyboard and chair more than 
most of us. Luddite, ain't that rich!

I'm not so much tethered to my iPhone (I turn off the phone regularly) as 
having a toolkit in my pocket. Calculator, weather, map, translator, radio, 
remote control, dictionary, camera, sky chart, movie listing, chemical light 
stick, clock, currency exchange, tip calculator, bird identification book, 
text, email, Google, and a dozen other ways to pass the time while waiting for 
my tractor...

In one small package.

Don's iPhone.

On Dec 21, 2009, at 7:21 AM, 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
I like your style, Louise!


I keep my candy bar cell phone in the truck and, usually, turned off.

I hate to sound like a Luddite, but, I can't understand how so many people's 
lives revolve around or are tethered to their cell phones, especially, the 
iPhones. (Addicted?)

My kids are the biggest culprits, but, as long as they're paying their own 
bills, I don't care.


Now, don't get me started on the folks I see every day yacking/texting on their 
phones on LBJ!


Unplugged and loving it!


Mark




________________________________
From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Fri 12/18/2009 4:07 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?
Mine stays turned off and tucked away in my purse (just in case I need it on 
the road). I vowed when I got rid of my house phone about ten years ago and got 
a cell phone, that it would be for my convenience only. If people can find my 
number, they can call me and leave a message (I generally check it about once a 
week), but there are only about five people who have the number (for 
emergencies). The tether has been cut and I am not constantly on call.

Louise

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> 
> I'm not so much tethered to my iPhone (I turn off the phone regularly)
> as having a toolkit in my pocket. Calculator, weather, map,
> translator, radio, remote control, dictionary, camera, sky chart,
> movie listing, chemical light stick, clock, currency exchange, tip
> calculator, bird identification book, text, email, Google, and a dozen
> other ways to pass the time while waiting for my tractor...
> 
> In one small package. 
  
... and GPS coordinates to your favorite, secret cave ...

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I don't consider either of us Luddites, just smart. Use technology when it 
serves you; don't when it doesn't. Oh, BTW, don't even consider using a 
handheld on the Left Coast after Jan 1. California already has banned 
handhelds; the ban in Oregon begins Jan 1. Bluetooth OK; handheld not OK. 
 


From: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:21:30 -0600
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?





I like your style, Louise!
 
 
I keep my candy bar cell phone in the truck and, usually, turned off.
 
I hate to sound like a Luddite, but, I can't understand how so many people's 
lives revolve around or are tethered to their cell phones, especially, the 
iPhones. (Addicted?)
 
My kids are the biggest culprits, but, as long as they're paying their own 
bills, I don't care.
 
 
Now, don't get me started on the folks I see every day yacking/texting on their 
phones on LBJ!
 
 
Unplugged and loving it!
 
 
Mark
 
 
 



From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Fri 12/18/2009 4:07 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?


Mine stays turned off and tucked away in my purse (just in case I need it on 
the road). I vowed when I got rid of my house phone about ten years ago and got 
a cell phone, that it would be for my convenience only. If people can find my 
number, they can call me and leave a message (I generally check it about once a 
week), but there are only about five people who have the number (for 
emergencies). The tether has been cut and I am not constantly on call.
 
Louise

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Luddite is in the eye of the beholder; my technology good and I master

--your bad and it master.

 

Safety - that is a different issue.

 

From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:37 AM
To: Mark Alman
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?

 

I don't consider either of us Luddites, just smart. Use technology when it
serves you; don't when it doesn't. Oh, BTW, don't even consider using a
handheld on the Left Coast after Jan 1. California already has banned
handhelds; the ban in Oregon begins Jan 1. Bluetooth OK; handheld not OK. 
 

  _____  

From: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:21:30 -0600
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?

I like your style, Louise!

 

 

I keep my candy bar cell phone in the truck and, usually, turned off.

 

I hate to sound like a Luddite, but, I can't understand how so many people's
lives revolve around or are tethered to their cell phones, especially, the
iPhones. (Addicted?)

 

My kids are the biggest culprits, but, as long as they're paying their own
bills, I don't care.

 

 

Now, don't get me started on the folks I see every day yacking/texting on
their phones on LBJ!

 

 

Unplugged and loving it!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Fri 12/18/2009 4:07 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?

Mine stays turned off and tucked away in my purse (just in case I need it on
the road). I vowed when I got rid of my house phone about ten years ago and
got a cell phone, that it would be for my convenience only. If people can
find my number, they can call me and leave a message (I generally check it
about once a week), but there are only about five people who have the number
(for emergencies). The tether has been cut and I am not constantly on call.
 
Louise

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