texascavers Digest 24 Jan 2010 02:10:58 -0000 Issue 951

Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:11:06 -0800 (PST) 

texascavers Digest 24 Jan 2010 02:10:58 -0000 Issue 951

Topics (messages 13353 through 13375):

Re: Center for Biological Diversity: Petitions Filed to Close Caves
        13353 by: Gill Edigar

salamander film
        13354 by: Mixon Bill
        13355 by: Andy Gluesenkamp

biodiversity petition
        13356 by: Mixon Bill
        13357 by: Chris Vreeland
        13358 by: Stefan Creaser
        13359 by: Chris Vreeland
        13363 by: Gill Edigar

Robber Baron - fall 1987
        13360 by: David
        13362 by: Geary Schindel
        13366 by: Fritz Holt
        13367 by: Fritz Holt
        13368 by: George-Paul Richmann
        13369 by: Stefan Creaser
        13374 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
        13375 by: Gill Edigar

Re: Ongoing rescue in Mexico -- Friday update, operations ended
        13361 by: Fofo

Distinguished Lecturer - Stephen Worthington on March 19, 2010
        13364 by: Geary Schindel

cave like house.....
        13365 by: John P Brooks
        13370 by: Ryan Monjaras

response to 8 track
        13371 by: banditskel.aol.com

Re: leaf-cutter ants in Mexico
        13372 by: JSSchneider1

book review: caving novel
        13373 by: Mixon Bill

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From: Cheryl Jones <[email protected]>
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Date: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:23 AM
Subject: Center for Biological Diversity: Petitions Filed to Close Caves

Center for Biological Diversity:  Emergency Petitions Filed to Close Caves
and Save Bats From Extinction
<
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2010/bats-01-21-2010.html
>
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2010/bats-01-21-2010.html

Read NSS WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer's letter to the CBD here:
http://forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9623&start=15#p81479

Cheryl

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--- Begin Message --- I certainly hope some English-speaking person will go over the text in that salamander movie before it is released. -- Mixon 
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Huh?  It luks fine too mi.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] salamander film
To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
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Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 9:03 AM


I certainly hope some English-speaking person will go over the text in that 
salamander movie before it is released. -- Mixon
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--- Begin Message --- "asks Interior Secretary Salazar to pass regulations banning travel between caves under any jurisdiction"
Yeah, right. I'll bet that bunch of clowns is politically liberal except with regard to their own pet ox getting gored. (Like a lot of other people.) 

Support the northeast's insects! -- Mixon
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--- Begin Message --- I would definitely be curious to see how they plan to implement and enforce that. Would they have special task forces to follow people from cave to cave? 


On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Mixon Bill wrote:
"asks Interior Secretary Salazar to pass regulations banning travel between caves under any jurisdiction"
Yeah, right. I'll bet that bunch of clowns is politically liberal except with regard to their own pet ox getting gored. (Like a lot of other people.)

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Maybe they mean going into one cave and coming out another? ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Vreeland [mailto:[email protected]] 

I would definitely be curious to see how they plan to implement and  
enforce that. Would they have special task forces to follow people  
from cave to cave?


On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Mixon Bill wrote:

> "asks Interior Secretary Salazar to pass regulations banning travel  
> between caves under any jurisdiction"
>
> Yeah, right. I'll bet that bunch of clowns is politically liberal  
> except with regard to their own pet ox getting gored. (Like a lot of  
> other people.)


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--- Begin Message --- Well, once, I did go in Airman's and come out at Carlsbad, but, oops... I've said too much already. 


On Jan 22, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Stefan Creaser wrote:


Maybe they mean going into one cave and coming out another? ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Vreeland [mailto:[email protected]]

I would definitely be curious to see how they plan to implement and
enforce that. Would they have special task forces to follow people
from cave to cave?


On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Mixon Bill wrote:


"asks Interior Secretary Salazar to pass regulations banning travel
between caves under any jurisdiction"

Yeah, right. I'll bet that bunch of clowns is politically liberal
except with regard to their own pet ox getting gored. (Like a lot of
other people.)



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Keep reminding yourselves that they can only "close" or "restrict" access to
caves on property that they own or control. Caves on private property do not
fall under their jurisdiction. Enforcement, however much the conservative
law makers want to pretend it will have any meaning or noticeable effect,
will be mostly like a fart in a windstorm.
--Ediger

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Chris Vreeland <[email protected]>wrote:

> Well, once, I did go in Airman's and come out at Carlsbad, but, oops...
> I've said too much already.
>
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> On Jan 22, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
>
>  Maybe they mean going into one cave and coming out another? ;-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Vreeland [mailto:[email protected]]
>>
>> I would definitely be curious to see how they plan to implement and
>> enforce that. Would they have special task forces to follow people
>> from cave to cave?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Mixon Bill wrote:
>>
>>  "asks Interior Secretary Salazar to pass regulations banning travel
>>> between caves under any jurisdiction"
>>>
>>> Yeah, right. I'll bet that bunch of clowns is politically liberal
>>> except with regard to their own pet ox getting gored. (Like a lot of
>>> other people.)
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There are 2 links below of Aggie Cavers at Robber Baron from the fall of 1987.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs170.snc3/19764_1275525402010_1046206333_30767227_164604_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs170.snc3/19764_1275524441986_1046206333_30767225_5366096_n.jpg

I only recognize about 4 people.    Most of those students came to one
or 2 A.S.S. meetings before the semester got busy and just went on
this one trip, and never came back.

I believe there were two or three A.S.S. trips like this around 1987.
   I don't recall a newsletter that year, and we didn't know about
e-mail then, so I doubt there is a record of this.

I have absolutely zero memory of being on this trip, but I am in the
pictures with the yellow
hockey helmet.

I am guessing the trip was arranged by Tim Jones, who was the
president of the club in 87.
Whoever arranged it, most likely contacted a caver in San Antonio.

One of the few things I remember about one of those trips, was that
about 6 of us stuffed ourselves into a car owned by a student in the
club that had a spiffy new european sedan with a CD player in it.
The average person, did not even own a CD player, and the idea of
having one in a car, was like science fiction to us.    I didn't have
a car, but I could sometimes borrow my parents car, which still had an
8 track tape player mounted on the floorboard.

These photos would have been forgotten, had it not been for Patricia
Wise.   I believe she
is the girl with the long red hair.     I hadn't spoken to her in 22
years, but I found her on Facebook about a month ago, and she posted
these photos on the new A.S.S. alumni Facebook site

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=226901732529

David Locklear
former Aggie caver

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David,

Great photos and nice helmet.  However, I think I would have painted it silver 
and put some horns on it.  And wants wrong with 8 tracks, I still have one and 
the tapes are real cheap at yard sales.


G

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I have no idea of their names but I think I recognize Frankenstein and The Wolf 
Man. Can names be put with some members of The Geek Brigade?

Old Fart

-----Original Message-----
From: Fritz Holt 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:00 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Subject: FW: [Texascavers] Robber Baron - fall 1987



-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:34 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Robber Baron - fall 1987

There are 2 links below of Aggie Cavers at Robber Baron from the fall of 1987.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs170.snc3/19764_1275525402010_1046206333_30767227_164604_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs170.snc3/19764_1275524441986_1046206333_30767225_5366096_n.jpg

I only recognize about 4 people.    Most of those students came to one
or 2 A.S.S. meetings before the semester got busy and just went on
this one trip, and never came back.

I believe there were two or three A.S.S. trips like this around 1987.
   I don't recall a newsletter that year, and we didn't know about
e-mail then, so I doubt there is a record of this.

I have absolutely zero memory of being on this trip, but I am in the
pictures with the yellow
hockey helmet.

I am guessing the trip was arranged by Tim Jones, who was the
president of the club in 87.
Whoever arranged it, most likely contacted a caver in San Antonio.

One of the few things I remember about one of those trips, was that
about 6 of us stuffed ourselves into a car owned by a student in the
club that had a spiffy new european sedan with a CD player in it.
The average person, did not even own a CD player, and the idea of
having one in a car, was like science fiction to us.    I didn't have
a car, but I could sometimes borrow my parents car, which still had an
8 track tape player mounted on the floorboard.

These photos would have been forgotten, had it not been for Patricia
Wise.   I believe she
is the girl with the long red hair.     I hadn't spoken to her in 22
years, but I found her on Facebook about a month ago, and she posted
these photos on the new A.S.S. alumni Facebook site

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=226901732529

David Locklear
former Aggie caver

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Geary,

You are behind the times. My eight tracks are in quadraphonic. Fabulous sound.

Fritz

-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:48 PM
To: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Robber Baron - fall 1987

David,

Great photos and nice helmet.  However, I think I would have painted it silver 
and put some horns on it.  And wants wrong with 8 tracks, I still have one and 
the tapes are real cheap at yard sales.


G



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What's an 8 track?  Is that like a MP3, but 8 of them?  I saw a CD
once, is an 8 track like one of those?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Geary Schindel
<[email protected]> wrote:
> David,
>
> Great photos and nice helmet.  However, I think I would have painted it 
> silver and put some horns on it.  And wants wrong with 8 tracks, I still have 
> one and the tapes are real cheap at yard sales.
>
>
> G
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Yes.


-----Original Message-----
From: George-Paul Richmann [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:33 PM
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron - fall 1987

What's an 8 track?  Is that like a MP3, but 8 of them?  I saw a CD
once, is an 8 track like one of those?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Geary Schindel
<[email protected]> wrote:
> David,
>
> Great photos and nice helmet.  However, I think I would have painted it 
> silver and put some horns on it.  And wants wrong with 8 tracks, I still have 
> one and the tapes are real cheap at yard sales.
>
>
> G
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--- Begin Message --- It's twice a four-track.

T


Jan 22, 2010 04:33:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
What's an 8 track? Is that like a MP3, but 8 of them? I saw a CD
once, is an 8 track like one of those?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Geary Schindel
wrote:
> David,
>
> Great photos and nice helmet.  However, I think I would have painted it silver and put some horns on it.  And wants wrong with 8 tracks, I still have one and the tapes are real cheap at yard sales.
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I have one, still mounted in my old GMC with 31 Mexican tourist stickers on
it, which plays both 4-track (the precursor to the 8-track and full-brother
to the "carts"--cartridges that radio stations used for recording and
playing canned ads) and 8-track tape cartridges. All that came just before
cassettes which precluded CDs, etc. No matter what the medium it was still
just music.
--Ediger

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM, George-Paul Richmann
<[email protected]>wrote:

> What's an 8 track?

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Good morning.

This will probably be the last report on this event.
There was a possibility, from the reports heard, that the last pit was a natural one that the mine had intersected, but there was constant rockfall from the upper levels.
It was decided to leave the bodies in place, because the risk for the rescuers was too high. 

    - Fofo

Fofo wrote, on 20/1/10 23:59:

Good morning.
Here is the latest update from the ongoing rescue in Quer�taro, M�xico, directly from To�o Aguirre, head of the Mexican Cave Rescue, Espeleo Rescate M�xico (ERM):
Protecci�n Civil from Queretaro was in charge of the rescue, but they stopped the recovery. What they said is that they descended 280 meters (900 ft) and they didn't reach the bottom so they decided to ascend. That is the version that was transmitted through the Queretaro Red Cross, and apparently that was their only problem (there were comments about them having had 'problems,' in plural).
Proteccion Civil Queretaro has officially requested ERM to take over the operation. The three members of ERM on the spot have not reported back, they got involved in the effort right away and haven't been able to send a report.
At 9 am on Thursday a total of 10 members of ERM will leave (5 from San Luis Potosi, 3 from Morelia, 2 from Mexico City), and they'll be supported by the Cave Rescue section of the Queretaro Red Cross. They will evaluate the scene and carefully determine a plan and their needs. Mine rescues have specific risks that are different from caves. To�o Aguirre will have equipment for gas detection and measurement, for ventilation, etc.
The State of Queretaro offered to support the operation in any way that is needed. 

     - Fofo




 > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:44 -0800
 > From: [email protected]
 > CC: [email protected]
 > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave rescue in Mexico
 >
 > Hi, Bill.
 >
 > It's the Calabacillas mine, about 10 km of dirt roads from San Joaquin,
 > Queretaro. It's a mercury mine that has been abandoned for 40 years.
 >
 > Apparently four persons were checking it out looking for ore, and a
 > collapse carried two of them. The passage is being described as a
 > steeply descending with a pit at the end. As of this morning's report,
 > the bodies had not been reached yet, there were preparations for
 > dropping the pit or reaching from another passage the area where the
 > bodies are presumed to be.
 >
 > There have been no further reports from the area. I would hate to have
 > to work on a rescue in an old, abandoned mine. I hope that everything
 > goes well and my thoughts are with the rescuers (Protecci�n Civil and
 > Espeleo Rescate M�xico) and the families of the deceased.
 >
 > - Fofo
 >
 > [email protected] wrote, on 20/1/10 17:04:
 > > Has anyone heard anything about this?
 > >
 > > To: [email protected]
 > > From: [email protected]
 > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:35:28 -0800
 > > Subject: [NSSwest] Ongoing rescue in Mexico
 > >
 > > Good morning.
 > >
 > > This morning the Mexican Cave Rescue group received a call for help in
 > > Queretaro, in central Mexico. There is not much information, but 2
or 3
 > > people could be trapped. Right now a small team is en route to get
more
 > > information and evaluate the needs.
 > >
 > > - Fofo

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Distinguished Lecturer - Stephen Worthington on March 19, 2010
Folks,

We are pleased to announce that Dr. Stephen Worthington will be the Edwards 
Aquifer Authority’s 8th Distinguished Lecturer.  Dr. Worthington will make his 
presentation on Friday, March 19, 2010.  His talks will focus on the exciting 
studies of the last ten years that have helped to integrate the largely 
independent fields of research using wells on the one hand and using tracer 
tests, springs and caves on the other hand.  Many of you may also know Steve as 
a caver who has caved extensively around the world including some of the early 
work in Castleguard Cave in Canada and other work in Malaysia and Europe.  His 
MS was performed on the Frairs Hole System in West Virginia and his Ph.D. 
thesis was on speleogenesis of the Canada Rockies.  Steve is an excellent 
presenter.  The late Dr. Jim Quinlan told me that he thought Steve’s 
dissertation was the most important piece of work done on karst in English in 
more than 20 years.

We will have a flyer announcing the seminar posted on our web in a few days or 
you can email me directly and I can send you a PDF.

To register for the presentation, please contact Ms. Elida Bocanegra at 
210.222.2204 or 1.800.292.1047 or you may email her at 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>.  The 
seminar will be held at Southwest Research Institute and reservations are 
required to attend as seating is limited.  The seminar will run from 9:00 AM to 
4:30 PM and includes lunch.  The cost is $20.00 and $10.00 for students.  
Please include your contact information when emailing.

If you have any questions regarding this seminar, please feel free to contact 
Geary Schindel, P.G. at 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>.

Thank you,

Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
Edwards Aquifer Authority
1615 N. St. Mary's Street
San Antonio, Texas 78215
210.222.2204

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http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/8827/search-and-cma-villa-vals.html
 
Here is an interesting cave like house....

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it reminds me of the bag end from "the hobbit"

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Here is an interesting cave like house....                                      
  
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"What's an 8 track?  Is that like a MP3, but 8 of them?  I saw a  CD
once, is an 8 track like one of those?:...
Dude too funny!!     Retro rocks and you just threw it  into the ground!!
 
Minnow

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      I've tried diatomaceous earth - sprinkling it around seedlings to keep 
the leafcutters out. It does work somewhat, but when you water the plants or if 
it rains, it has to be renewed, and it really didn't work that well for me.  
I've had leafcutters destroy seedlings that were circled with diatomaceous 
earth. 


      Leafcutter ants leave a chemical trail to the plants they are attacking. 
Orange oil has a strong odor  that disrupts the leaf cutter's chemical trail. 
You buy it in the  concentrated form and dilute it, and spray it on the trail. 
It works fairly well,  but has to be reapplied frequently, and rain will wash 
it away. I imagine cinnamon works the same way, by disrupting the ant's 
chemical trail.  Orange oil concentrate might be cheaper than cinnamon. 


      One thing that might protect  small trees is Tanglefoot and tree tape. 
You wrap the trunk with paper tree tape, and smear the extremely sticky 
Tanglefoot on it. Ants are trapped in the sticky residue. 


      You can buy diatomaceous earth for gardens, orange oil concentrate , and 
tanglefoot in Austin at The Natural Garder, 


      The problem is that leafcutter ant colonies can be  huge, covering an 
acre, and can have millions of ants, especially if you have sandy soil as we do 
in the Sand Hills. The tunnels are 15-20 feet deep underground, and there are 
many side entrances.  If you disrupt one path to your plants, leafcutters  will 
just find another. In hot weather, they work  at night while you are sleeping, 
and the next morning your seedlings will be stripped of all their leaves. They 
even destroyed my onions and habanero peppers. Leafcutters don't eat the 
plants, they use them to grow a fungus underground, so the usual baits don't 
have any effect on them.  I have found that following  the trails to the mounds 
and treating the mounds with permethrin works. Permethrin  is a synthetic form 
of pyrethrin, found in chrysanthemum flowers. It  attacks the ant's respiratory 
system. It's not long lasting, and the directions say you can even use it on 
your plants, but I only use it on the mounds. We use the brand "Viper" which 
Callahan's Feed Store carries.   I've also tried  Amdro Ant Block, ( also at 
Callahan's ) which you apply to the mounds, and over time is supposed to 
eliminate them. Since last October,  I haven't seen any leafcutters active in 
the old mounds, or in my garden. We still have lots of them active in other 
parts of our land. 


      I've  read that Jack Bean leaves (Canavalia ensiformis) sprinkled on 
leafcutter mounds will kill the leafcutter ant's fungi. I have some seeds and 
may try planting some Jack Beans this year.  Of course the leafcutters have to 
haul the Jack Bean leaves into their mounds for this to work. I've also read 
that Sesame planted near the mounds works as well. I ordered Jack Bean seeds 
from www. Banana-tree.com


      I hope someday, A&M will find a Phorid fly parasite for Texas Leafcutter 
ants, as they have done for Fire Ants. 



        From: JSSchneider1 <[email protected]>
        Subject: Fw: [Texascavers] leaf-cutter ants in Mexico
        To: "Edie Ymail Clark" <[email protected]>
        Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 9:54 PM


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Louise Power 
        To: [email protected] 
        Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:18 PM
        Subject: RE: [Texascavers] leaf-cutter ants in Mexico


        If you just want to make them go away and not kill them, sprinkle about 
a 2 or 3-inch strip of diatomaceous earth around the perimeter of your garden. 
If they're like other ants, they won't cross it. For them, it's like us trying 
to cross a large section of blades-up razorblades. If they do cross it, it 
abrades the carapace and they "bleed" to death. Generally, once they've seen it 
and a couple have tried it, they just go bother someone else. Best of all, it's 
non-toxic and safe for people and other living things. See the following 
website:
         
        http://www.dirtworks.net/Diatomaceous-Earth.html 
         
        Also, try sprinkling cinnamon around smaller areas you want them to 
stay out of. I don't know if it's the smell or the consistency. All I know is 
that if I see them coming in at the window, I sprinkle some on the sill and an 
hour later, they're gone and don't come back. It's sort of expensive; that's 
why I only use it on my windowsills or in other small areas.
         
        NOTE: Do not use the kind of diatomaceous earth used in pool filters. 
It's heated and treated and doesn't work. I think it's also toxic.
         
        Louise
         

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        From: [email protected]
        To: [email protected]
        Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:36:06 -0600
        Subject: Fw: Fw: [Texascavers] leaf-cutter ants in Mexico




              I used to think they were fascinating until they began to cart 
off most of  my garden seedlings. A & M's website has some useful information 
on Texas Leafcutters. The only thing I have found that works is to follow their 
trail back to the mound, and either use Amdro Ant Block ( not just regular 
Amdro), or Viper ( permethrin- which is a synthetic pyrethrin). Viper works 
right away, and Amdro Ant Block takes a couple of weeks to work.You have to 
keep at it.  The label says you can dust your plants with Viper, but I don't 
put anything directly on my vegetable garden plants, just on the ant mound.

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