texascavers Digest 12 Nov 2009 15:56:13 -0000 Issue 885
Topics (messages 12560 through 12571):
Talk
12560 by: Ron Ralph
Re: 15th ICS - Proceedings on line!
12561 by: Mark Minton
The mountain has came off.
12562 by: Gill Edigar
a video related to caving
12563 by: David
Caving opportunities at Honey Creek Cave, Texas' longest
12564 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
Come dig at Kiwi Sink
12565 by: Gill Edigar
wet caves in Britain
12566 by: Mixon Bill
12570 by: John Brooks
12571 by: Josh Rubinstein
Good Article on Caving in Spain
12567 by: Lee H. Skinner
NSS books discount
12568 by: Mixon Bill
not cave related but i know theres plenty of veterans in here
12569 by: Ryan Monjaras
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This from the ON CAMPUS news of the day for tomorrow, Wednesday, November
11th
"Texas Salamander Extravaganza" is featured at Science Under the Stars
Description: Learn about the endangered Barton Springs salamander in a
presentation titled "Texas Salamander Extravaganza." Join Hayley Gillespie,
graduate student, as she explores the amphibian's biology, how it survives
in all kinds of habitats, and what is being done to conserve and protect it.
Arrive early for refreshments and children's activities.
Time: 7:30-8:30 p.m.
Location: Brackenridge Field Laboratory, 2907 Lake Austin Blvd.
Admission: Free
URL: http://www.biosci.utexas.edu/ib/ScienceUnderStars/index.html
Ron Ralph
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Apparently ICS management took Bill Mixon's comments to
heart. When I downloaded the ICS Proceedings today they were 86,
153, and 155 MB! All illustrations were excellent quality.
Mark Minton
Bill Mixon said:
When I saw that these things were all under 20 MB in size, I suspected
that the graphics had all been severely compressed. That's the only
way to get a 600-page PDF that small. Indeed, they show really gross
compression artifacts, although the few I've examined remain legible,
if ugly. I hope when the PDFs of the individual papers are made, the
illustrations are not compressed. The individual papers will be small
files regardless.
It would also be nice if the full volumes were available, optionally,
with decent quality, in addition to these small files.-- Mixon
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From: ICS 2009 eList <[email protected]>
Date: November 6, 2009 2:15:20 AM CST
To: [email protected]
Subject: 15th ICS - Proceedings on line!
Dear Friends,
My apologies for the long delay. In August I wrote that the
proceedings of the 15th International Congress of Speleology would be
posted soon on the Karst Information Portal (KIP), but this was
delayed due to someone's illness. However, the proceedings are now
available at
http://www.lib.usf.edu/karst-test/SPT--BrowseResources.php?ParentId=367
The proceedings are currently posted as PDF files, as they were
printed in three large volumes. The PDFs are thus large, 11, 16, and
18 Mb for volumes 1, 2, and 3. The Table of Contents is in Volume 1.
The index is in Volume 3. You will notice that for most items in the
index, the given page numbers are 2 pages larger than the actual page
number. This was because of a last minute correction when there was
not enough time to renumber the index and have the proceedings printed
in time for the Congress
The above address is the direct address to the proceedings. This is a
part of the KIP that is being redesigned and tested. The main address
for the KIP is www.karstportal.org. You can use the keyword search in
the upper right corner to find information. The keyword can be a cave
name, author name, or other information that may be in the reports you
want. However, the proceedings PDFs have not yet been indexed for the
search system and so you will not yet find them that way. The KIP team
is working to index all of the papers, but also to divide the three
PDFs into individual files, one for each paper. The work is not
difficult, but with over 500 papers in the proceedings it will be
slow. I will notify you as soon as the indexing is complete and the
individual papers are posted.
George
George Veni, Ph.D.
Chairman, 15th International Congress of Speleology
Vice President of Administration, International Union of Speleology
Executive Director, U.S. National Cave and Karst Research Institute
You may reply to [email protected]
Permanent email address is [email protected]
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Here's an interesting video of a minor landslide that could only by a wide
stretch of the imagination be considered to have anything to do with
caving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUXhjPkGBtU&feature=player_embedded
--Ediger
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This video below shows cavers in a cave quite different from Whirlpool Cave,
or
Enchanted Rock Cave, or Punkin Cave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz5tMmuJx1c
It shows new cavers how different caves can be from the warm dry caves they
may have visited on their first few caving trips in Texas.
Imagine how hard it would be to exit the cave if there was a sudden flash
flood ?
Or imagine how hard a cave rescue would be if the caver became incapacitated
?
This is the kind of cave where your light sources need to be very
water-resistant,
and very reliable, which is why when I post a LED light review, that I
mention those
aspects of the light.
At the end of the video, the cavers do something that we don't do here, so
it shows a little cultural difference between cavers in different regions.
Some might refer to this particular cave, as a "sporting little cave." But
it just may
be typical in that area.
http://www.dur.ac.uk/speleological.association/index2.html
I presume there are many caves in the states like this, maybe around West
Virginia,
or Wyoming:
http://greatx.caves.org/gallery/images/lost_worlandriver-pace.jpg
David Locklear
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Hey Texas cavers,
The most remote lead in Honey Creek Cave will be pushed in a series of three
trips in late January-early
February 2010. Help is needed to haul gear for cave divers Jean "Creature"
Krejca and James Brown. Please
let me know of your interest in being part of one or more of these epic
adventures.
January 30, 2010 - James and Creature's dive gear will be taken to the
upstream HS Sump, a six hour in-cave
trip, from the shaft entrance. The gear will be left there for the dive the
next weekend. No other trips into
the cave will take place this weekend.
February 6, 2010 - Creature and James will go to the sump and do the dive. The
sump is 1,435 feet long. James
and Creature have explored and mapped about 1,000 feet of air-filled passage
beyond it to the next sump. They
will dive this second sump on this trip. When they return through the long
sump, they will stash their gear on
the entrance side of the sump.
NOTE: This weekend is the weekend when the cave is open for other trips.
Entrance to entrance swim trips, the
Grand Finale Loop, or anywhere else in the cave, is fine this weekend. Anyone
planning to do this should make it
known of their interest and plan to have at least one person on your trip who
has done your proposed trip before.
February 13, 2010 - A large group will go back to the sump and retrieve the
gear. No other trips into the cave
will take place this weekend.
I am keeping track of who would like to be part of this historic caving. E-mail
me of your interest and ask
me your questions.
Cavingly,
Bill Steele
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Terry Raines called and said come dig at Kiwi Sink this beautiful afternoon.
He will have the new gin-pole hoist on his truck and a 55-gallon barrel
ready to go after lunch today. Also some BIG rocks to haul out with the new
rig. Head out and help him fill it up. Call him at 512-466-4319 to
coordinate.
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That Little Neath River Cave (subject of the video David pointed us
to) is rather typical of caves in Britain. A guidebook says about it,
among other things, that a 150-meter crawlway "becomes impassable in
wet weather," and another place "sumps in wet weather." There is a lot
of wet weather in Britain, and a large fraction of rescue call-outs
are due to cavers being trapped (or worse) by high water. Runoff from
the long-since deforested hills is swift, aided in some places by
channels dug to help drain bogs. Lots of cave descriptions say things
like "enter only in extremely settled weather."--Mixon
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Watching that video reminded me of caving in southern Oklahoma. Lots of cold
water, low airspace....and the constant fear of flash floods....but we never
jumped up like that....unless one stepped on a rattlesnake.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
That Little Neath River Cave (subject of the video David pointed us to) is
rather typical of caves in Britain. A guidebook says about it, among other
things, that a 150-meter crawlway "becomes impassable in wet weather," and
another place "sumps in wet weather." There is a lot of wet weather in Britain,
and a large fraction of rescue call-outs are due to cavers being trapped (or
worse) by high water. Runoff from the long-since deforested hills is swift,
aided in some places by channels dug to help drain bogs. Lots of cave
descriptions say things like "enter only in extremely settled weather."--Mixon
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There are wet cold caves like this one in upstate New York near next year's
convention ; Single X, Spider, Nature's Way (which has a 12 foot free dive
in it). I mapped one, ANC. The water is 7 degree Celsius (42 degrees
Fahrenheit). On our first survey we barely got five shots. When we came
out, Peter Haberlain showed me his book. "That wall" he said "is not that
jagged." Most of my surveyors made only one trip but Peter stayed with me
to the end. Great caving.
Josh
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, John Brooks <[email protected]>wrote:
> Watching that video reminded me of caving in southern Oklahoma. Lots of
> cold water, low airspace....and the constant fear of flash floods....but we
> never jumped up like that....unless one stepped on a rattlesnake.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> That Little Neath River Cave (subject of the video David pointed us to) is
> rather typical of caves in Britain. A guidebook says about it, among other
> things, that a 150-meter crawlway "becomes impassable in wet weather," and
> another place "sumps in wet weather." There is a lot of wet weather in
> Britain, and a large fraction of rescue call-outs are due to cavers being
> trapped (or worse) by high water. Runoff from the long-since deforested
> hills is swift, aided in some places by channels dug to help drain bogs.
> Lots of cave descriptions say things like "enter only in extremely settled
> weather."--Mixon
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Interesting article on an attempt to connect two caves in Spain:
http://is.gd/4SFdD
Lee Skinner
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Forwarded by Mixon. Note that this applies to books actually published
by the NSS. Go to nssbookstore.org and click on NSS books at the
left. The ones I'd particularly recommend are
Well done technical books: Caves and Karst of the USA, Cave
Conservation and Restoration, Speleogenesis, Cave Minerals of the World.
Books for reading, picture books: Visions Underground, Living in
Darkness, Caves of Fire, Vertical Bill, Cave Art of Tom Culverwell.
I do not recommend any of the "On..." books. Technically they are
respectable, but they are badly edited and disorganized.
Other NSS publications such as the Speleo Digests and the various
convention guidebooks are also included in the sale. These things are
sold only to NSS members.-- Mixon
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Seasons Greetings from the NSS Bookstore!
In celebration of the Holiday season we are offering 20% off the
retail price of all NSS Publications. You can now purchase all NSS
books for your favorite caver without breaking your budget. NSS
Publications make great gifts for even the pickiest caver. This is
also the perfect opportunity for you to start building your own
library of quality caving literature.
This promotion includes ALL NSS PUBLICATIONS while supplies last.
Discount applies to RETAIL ORDERS ONLY.
Please place all orders by December 15, 2009 to ensure delivery in
time for the Holidays.
PROMOTION ENDS DECEMBER 31, 2009!!!
Thank you for your continued support of the NSS Bookstore. We look
forward to serving you during the Holiday season and throughout the
year.
Very Sincerely,
Kelli Davis,
NSS Bookstore Manager
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this was sent to me through my squadron and im trying to get it to as many vets
as i can. oorah!
During Veteran’s Day week many businesses offer discounts to military
members, retirees, and other veterans. Below are a few that have made it to
my desk. Please forward me any other opportunities you hear about. Proof
of service is often required such as a military or retiree ID card, DD Form
214, or VA card, so be prepared if you are asked. Also I recommend you call
ahead, because some locations may not participate. FYI for you veterans, if
you would like to have a VA card, simply register at your local VA Medical
Center (with your DD-Form 214), and you can receive a photo ID card.
Stein Marts in the DFW area will be giving a 10% additional discount to
all service members on November 10th and 11th. Go to www.steinmart.com to
find a store near you.
Cabela's nationwide is offering employee pricing on November 11th and 12th
to all veterans, active duty, reservists, law enforcement, and fire/ems
services. You will need to present your ID to receive a "hometown heroes"
coupon at the door. Some restrictions apply to this discount.
Applebees is offering a free select entree at participating stores on
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 with active/reserve/retired ID card.
http://www.applebees.com/vetsday/
Golden Corral's Military Appreciation dinner is scheduled for Monday,
November 16, 2009, from 5 to 9 pm in all Golden Corral restaurants
nationwide. http://www.goldencorral.com/military/
McCormick & Schmick’s Seafood Restaurants across the country are offering
a complimentary entree from a special menu to the Veterans who have served
in war and peace. This offer is only for Sunday, November 8th. Go to
http://www.mccormickandschmicks.com/featured-promotion/Veterans-Appreciation
Day.aspx to find a location near you.
Pizza UNO's is offering a free entrée or pizza (with the purchase of an
equal value item) to all veterans and current servicemembers. This is only
on Veteran's Day, November 11th. You just need to be in uniform or present
a picture or ID of you in uniform.
The Home Depot is offering all active duty personnel, reservists, retired
military, veterans and their immediate family members a 10% discount off
their purchases in honor of Veteran’s Day. The offer is valid on purchases
of up to $2,000. Some exclusions apply. The promotion usually lasts for one
week prior to Veterans Day, so call ahead to verify the days.
Starting Summer 2009, Lowe’s now offers a year-round 10 percent discount
for all active, reserve, honorably discharged, retired military personnel,
and their immediate family members. The offer is valid on purchases of up
to $5,000. Some exclusions apply.
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Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1
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