texascavers Digest 27 Aug 2009 15:22:47 -0000 Issue 837
Topics (messages 11878 through 11901):
Re: Reunion attendees: This just in...
11878 by: Fritz Holt
11879 by: George-Paul Richmann
11880 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
11881 by: Jon
Follow up on caving in China
11882 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
Re: 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
11883 by: donsid.comcast.net
11884 by: Gill Edigar
11892 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
delete button
11885 by: Mixon Bill
11886 by: Heather Tucek
11888 by: Charles Goldsmith
11893 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
11896 by: Ed Alexander
11897 by: Brian Riordan
11898 by: Bill Bentley
11899 by: Stephen Fleming
11901 by: Charles Goldsmith
interesting news - free diving in sumps
11887 by: David
11894 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
cave paleontology in the news
11889 by: David
The next cave film in theatres
11890 by: David
The September 2009 Issue of the Hole News
11891 by: Bill Bentley
Delete button and other email etiquette
11895 by: Andy Zenker
11900 by: Charles Goldsmith
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Me either.
fritz
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From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:18 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
That's ok, I won't be drinking Miller or Bud Lite.
Stefan
From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Beer prices are going up again. Buy it now before the reunion.
Anheuser-Busch InBev and MillerCoors say they will raise prices.
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Life is too short for bad beer!
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Fritz Holt<[email protected]> wrote:
> Me either.
> fritz
> ________________________________
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:18 PM
> To: Texas Cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
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> That’s ok, I won’t be drinking Miller or Bud Lite.
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> Stefan
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> From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
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> Beer prices are going up again. Buy it now before the reunion.
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> Anheuser-Busch InBev and MillerCoors say they will raise prices.
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Or, lest we forget.
The official sponsor of the TSA Convention in April:
Rahr and Sons Brewery.
Makers of Blind Salamander beer!
http://rahrbrewery.com/
Mark
(All this beer talk is making me thirsty. Thanks goodness I have a 12 pack of
Shiner Bock at home!)
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 8/26/2009 2:14 PM
To: Louise Power; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
Another good reason to drink the official beer of ICS:
Shiner!
www.shiner.com
Mark
________________________________
From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 8/26/2009 2:13 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
Beer prices are going up again. Buy it now before the reunion.
Anheuser-Busch InBev and MillerCoors say they will raise prices.
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Lets hear it for the Big Sal !
He never saw it coming !
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
To: "Louise Power" <[email protected]>, "Texas Cavers"
<[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:36 PM
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Or, lest we forget.
The official sponsor of the TSA Convention in April:
Rahr and Sons Brewery.
Makers of Blind Salamander beer!
http://rahrbrewery.com/
Mark
(All this beer talk is making me thirsty. Thanks goodness I have a 12 pack of
Shiner Bock at home!)
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 8/26/2009 2:14 PM
To: Louise Power; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
Another good reason to drink the official beer of ICS:
Shiner!
www.shiner.com
Mark
From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wed 8/26/2009 2:13 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
Beer prices are going up again. Buy it now before the reunion.
Anheuser-Busch InBev and MillerCoors say they will raise prices.
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Follow up on caving in China:
Apple Liu and her companion, Matt Ryan (a Britt), run Dragon Expeditions
http://www.dragonexpeditions.com/ out of Chengdu, Sichuan. Both are competent
vertical cavers, mountaineers, and ice climbers. They have been involved with
Hong Meigui expeditions and offer more caver-oriented treks to the spectacular
caves of China. If you are going to be in China anyhow, they can arrange real
caving trips tailored to your skill level and experience.
Dwight Deal
Aka: DirtDoc
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Is that a good point or bad point?
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From: "J. LaRue Thomas" <[email protected]>
To: "TexasCavers" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:00:42 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
It's next to Fort Worth...
That's one point, anyway. J.
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From: "Bill Bentley" <[email protected]>
"TexasCavers" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
> Which ones?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]>
> To: "Stefan Creaser" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "John P. Brooks" <[email protected]>; "Linda Palit"
> <[email protected]>; "Andy Zenker" <[email protected]>;
> "TexasCavers" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
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>> :P
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>> Dallas does have its good points...
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>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Stefan Creaser<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> Wouldn't happen, who'd want to go to Dallas? ;-)
>>>
>>> Stefan
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Did I read that correctly? Dallas has it's good points? Yeah, I guess, but
most--maybe not all, to be fair--of them are several hours drive out of
town. I was there once; I know.--Ediger
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As Johnny Winter sang in 1968:
"When you go to Dallas
Take your razor & your gun
There's so much sh*t in Texas
You're bound to step in some"
And the Austin Lounge Lizards:
"Dallas, Texas", another song about infidelity almost starts in Nashville (but the singer's never been there), so he threatens to "go back to Dallas, Texas to see if anything could be worse than losing you."
Did I read that correctly? Dallas has it's good points? Yeah, I guess, but most--maybe not all, to be fair--of them are several hours drive out of town. I was there once; I know.
--Ediger
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I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes
a while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten
words each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a
real pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are
pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see
my e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.
If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only
to the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is
one hundred seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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Ok.
;)
2009/8/26 Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> tell my computer to fetch it.
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> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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Well Bill, not everyone writes a dissertation when sending an email,
and email really isn't a good medium for long exchanges, since there
is very little to no inflection.
While replying with just a LOL or Me Too is annoying to some people I
guess, most of those people don't say much anyway.
It's not like we have a stats page that shows postings versus words
per email. And no, I don't plan to set one up either, I'm too lazy
for that :p
I wouldn't worry about it too much Bill, just keep using that delete
button like most people.
Charles
list administrator that is crawling back into his hole in the
wonderful DFW metroplex
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Mixon Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> tell my computer to fetch it.
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> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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Mixon don't Tweet.
Aug 26, 2009 09:41:36 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes
a while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten
words each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a
real pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are
pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see
my e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.
If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only
to the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is
one hundred seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
Thanks for the words Bill.
Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real
pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are
pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my
e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.
If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to
the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one
hundred seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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All,
I don't mind so much either way. I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
(10,860 unread messages and counting). This option, of course, would
drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
be the perfect answer.
...
To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
of love on her passage to adulthood:
"...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
chamomile was out of the question..."
Warm Regards,
-Brian
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander<[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
> Thanks for the words Bill.
>
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> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>
>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>
>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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As one being guilty of a reply with less than entire paragraph, I sit here
and wonder how long a reply I could have made in asking the question of
"Which one?" to Mr Goldsmith's repy to Mr. Creaser......But then would I
have been guilty of rambling on and on? I guess in the future I will just
stick to sending out grotto meeting notices and online publication notices &
I will curb my short and long replies...
Bill
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From: "Brian Riordan" <[email protected]>
To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
All,
I don't mind so much either way. I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
(10,860 unread messages and counting). This option, of course, would
drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
be the perfect answer.
...
To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
of love on her passage to adulthood:
"...At first, Laurie couldn�t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
chamomile was out of the question..."
Warm Regards,
-Brian
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander<[email protected]> wrote:
Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
Thanks for the words Bill.
Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain
to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by
their
cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
tell my computer to fetch it.
If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to
the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one
hundred
seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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Bill Bentley wrote:
As one being guilty of a reply with less than entire paragraph, I sit
here and wonder how long a reply I could have made in asking the
question of "Which one?" to Mr Goldsmith's repy to Mr.
Creaser......But then would I have been guilty of rambling on and on?
I guess in the future I will just stick to sending out grotto meeting
notices and online publication notices & I will curb my short and long
replies...
OK.
--
Stephen Fleming
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Poor New Mexico! So far from Heaven; so close to Texas.
Manuel Armijo
Governor of the Department of New Mexico
1827-29, 1837-44, 1845-46
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Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.
I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else. If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right. It's also
Brian's right to ramble. As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.
We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com
100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.
My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)
Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately....
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan<[email protected]> wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way. I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting). This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>>
>>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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How many of you have ever been in a cave and done a "duck under" ?
Like maybe in Honey Creek, where you
hold your breath for just a second and go thru a very short sump and
pop out on the other side.
Or how about free diving a very short sump where you have to swim a
few feet like in Carrizal or Acahuizotla?
Well here is a very crazy guy in Austalia that went 395 feet on a
single breath of air thru an underwater
cave passage:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6808538.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00605/news_dive_605008a.jpg
Here is a summary:
Mike Wells swam through Fish Rock Cave in only two minutes and 40 seconds.
He narrowly averted disaster when his MONOFIN became trapped in a
narrow crevice. His son, a member of the support team, freed him.
“It was very hard,” Mr Wells said.
Mr Wells, who describes freediving as a “grand madness”, followed a
rope to dive down to the tunnel entrance and swam through the cave to
the pool of light that marked its exit.
The cave, on the New South Wales coast, has an ocean surge that sweeps
through the narrow chambers.
Most experts thought the cave was too long and dangerous for anyone to
get through without oxygen tanks.
Mr Wells’s respiratory specialist, Professor Matthew Peters, described
the pressure that would be placed on his body:
“During this dive, his lungs will compress dramatically, his diaphragm
will move up, his ribs will cave in,” he said.
David Locklear
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I did Aqua in Bath County VA in 1995 or 1996.
How many of you have ever been in a cave and done a "duck under" ?
Like maybe in Honey Creek, where you
hold your breath for just a second and go thru a very short sump and
pop out on the other side.
Or how about free diving a very short sump where you have to swim a
few feet like in Carrizal or Acahuizotla?
Well here is a very crazy guy in Austalia that went 395 feet on a
single breath of air thru an underwater
cave passage:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6808538.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00605/news_dive_605008a.jpg
Here is a summary:
Mike Wells swam through Fish Rock Cave in only two minutes and 40 seconds.
He narrowly averted disaster when his MONOFIN became trapped in a
narrow crevice. His son, a member of the support team, freed him.
“It was very hard,” Mr Wells said.
Mr Wells, who describes freediving as a “grand madness”, followed a
rope to dive down to the tunnel entrance and swam through the cave to
the pool of light that marked its exit.
The cave, on the New South Wales coast, has an ocean surge that sweeps
through the narrow chambers.
Most experts thought the cave was too long and dangerous for anyone to
get through without oxygen tanks.
Mr Wells’s respiratory specialist, Professor Matthew Peters, described
the pressure that would be placed on his body:
“During this dive, his lungs will compress dramatically, his diaphragm
will move up, his ribs will cave in,” he said.
David Locklear
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Here is an interesting story about some Indiana researchers diving in
a cave in the Carribean and finding mammal bones
of extinct species.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/plants-animals/2009/08/18/sloth-and-primate-fossils-found-in-underwater-cave.html
Exactly what is a "prehistoric cave?" Are they older than "historic caves?"
Can a historic cave be older than a prehistoric cave?
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Here is a big budget film in the works about some Aussie cave divers
that become trapped
in an underwater cave:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25980783-601,00.html
"The film will shoot primarily at the Warner Bros studio with a second
unit doing more cave photography. The Gold Coast studio has water facilities,
including a tank that will allow the production to build and shoot
within its own
submerged cave system."
David Locklear
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The September 2009 issue "Volume 24 # 9" of the Permian Basin Speleological
Society's "The Hole News" is now on the web in Adobe PDF format.
It can be found at the URL listed below:
http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews/pbss9-09.pdf
And as always more exciting years of back issues can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews.html
Many thanks to Kel Thomas for being the editor of "The Hole News" Please
be sure to send him material!!!!!
Enjoy and Cave Safely,
Bill
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Thank you for bringing this up, Bill. I've been wanting to say this for a
while. I would also like to add that when you hit reply all, please remove the
other recipients other than the texascavers email. 'Cause those people get
everything twice which is really annoying.
I know in Outlook it's easy to preview a message in the reading pane. But I
use Yahoo, and I actually have to open every single message and then hit
delete. It is very time consuming when it's 40 messages of nonsense.
Another point ... change the subject line to reflect what your message is
about. That would make it easier to use the delete button without having to
read them.
Okay, I'm done. :)
Andy Zenker
Texas Caver
--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] delete button
To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:41 PM
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a while
to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words each. And
those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to those who
monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their cell phones
every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I tell my computer
to fetch it.
If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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Andy, I disagree on your second point. If you change the subject, it
messes up the threading (unless you are changing the subject, in which
case, you shouldn't be replying, you should start a new message).
The first is handled differently by different email messages. Some
people have their email boxes set to handle To:'s differently than
something that comes in on a list. If its a reply to me, and the list
is copied, I want that email brought to my attention.
If your email app gives it to you twice, its just not smart enough to
realize its the same message and should be smacked around :)
Charles
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Andy Zenker<[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you for bringing this up, Bill. I've been wanting to say this for a
> while. I would also like to add that when you hit reply all, please remove
> the other recipients other than the texascavers email. 'Cause those people
> get everything twice which is really annoying.
>
> I know in Outlook it's easy to preview a message in the reading pane. But I
> use Yahoo, and I actually have to open every single message and then hit
> delete. It is very time consuming when it's 40 messages of nonsense.
>
> Another point ... change the subject line to reflect what your message is
> about. That would make it easier to use the delete button without having to
> read them.
>
> Okay, I'm done. :)
>
> Andy Zenker
> Texas Caver
>
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