texascavers Digest 28 Aug 2009 14:43:27 -0000 Issue 838
Topics (messages 11902 through 11918):
Re: delete button
11902 by: Fofo
11903 by: Don Arburn
11904 by: Matt Turner
11905 by: Jon
11906 by: John Brooks
11907 by: Alex Sproul
11908 by: Ryan Monjaras
Soap and water at TCR?
11909 by: Diana Tomchick
11917 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
How to descend your rope and have it too, Bear Grylls style
11910 by: Rod Goke
[For Garmin Owning Mexico Cavers] [FYI]
11911 by: Don Arburn
I saw Bear Grylls caving last night on TV
11912 by: Diana Tomchick
Cave off 620, near the Balcones Canyonlands Preserve?
11913 by: Thomas Sitch
11916 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
ICS art salon related
11914 by: David
a semi-funny story related to Texas Caving
11915 by: David
free diving in sumps-or not
11918 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
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Hi!
I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know,
it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up
to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete
messages from server, delete only the ones that you delete, have
messages delivered directly to specific folders, group messages by
thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter, and setting it up
is easy.
Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several
big files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a
limit on the size of files to download). I always have the preview panel
on, and it literally often takes less than one second to read a message
(especially short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
- Fofo
Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
tell my computer to fetch it.
If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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I just enjoy hearing from fellow Cavers. I reiterate my opinion that
Texascavers is like a virtual campfire, I listen to what I want,
ignore the rest, be polite, make friends, voice my goofy opinions,
drink my swill & pee out in the dark bushes.
Don's iPhone.
On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Fofo <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I
know, it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can
set it up to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on
server, delete messages from server, delete only the ones that you
delete, have messages delivered directly to specific folders, group
messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter,
and setting it up is easy.
Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages
are downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are
several big files to download, and for really bad connections you
can put a limit on the size of files to download). I always have the
preview panel on, and it literally often takes less than one second
to read a message (especially short replies), delete them and move
on to the next one.
OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
- Fofo
Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless
takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten
words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a
real pain to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are
pestered by their
cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only
when I
tell my computer to fetch it.
If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new
and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying
only to the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is
one hundred
seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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Everyone,
ok I'm piping up as one who really doesn't care one way or the other on this. I
have all Texas Cavers email go into a folder on my yahoo account, just for this
reason. That said I agree that alot of the replies really seem more like
attention grabbing than having any real value. Yes, we're a clever bunch, and
we love to have fun. There should be a nice balance inbetween the ME TO ME TOO
posts and the word count. I think we're all adults here....ok atleast in
age.....so instead of jumping on Bill or Andy just realize that your action do
annoy others on here sometime. I mean give them credit because they did wait
until the count go over 20+ emails over 3 days to post about this. I think a
word count isn't the answer, but just because you have something clever to say
doesn't mean it's fun for everyone. I'd say leave that type of stuff for
facebook. As any one on my friends list will tell you I enjoy quips more than
most.
So again I'm not saying shut up, just saying respect others on this list,
otherwise what will happen is this list will become useless and people will
stop checking it or posting trips on it. That is my skin in this game if you're
wondering why i decided to post.
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
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From: Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>
To: Cavetex <[email protected]>
Cc: Brian Riordan <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:22:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.
I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else. If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right. It's also
Brian's right to ramble. As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.
We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com
100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.
My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)
Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately....
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan<[email protected]> wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way. I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting). This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>>
>>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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I like what you say Don!!
I'm voting for you for the next TSA president!
--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Arburn <[email protected]> wrote:
I just enjoy hearing from fellow Cavers. I reiterate my opinion that
Texascavers is like a virtual campfire, I listen to what I want, ignore the
rest, be polite, make friends, voice my goofy opinions, drink my swill & pee
out in the dark bushes.
Don's iPhone.
On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Fofo <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a
> throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty
> much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from
> server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered
> directly to specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty
> decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
>
> Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
> downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big
> files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the
> size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it
> literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially
> short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
>
> OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
>
> - Fofo
>
>>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain
>>>> to
>>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>>>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>>>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to
>>>> the
>>>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>>>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
>
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I have been silently reading all of this....and I agree with Matt and DON. I
enjoy the virtual campfire.
I know we have much more advanced computers up here in Dallas....but even with
the Stonehenge-esque machines used by crudmudgeons in the low density suburban
sprawl engulfing the hill country....one can sort by NAME/TOPIC and DATE and
DELETE without ever reading any of it.....I know...I do it all the time....but
censorship is not needed in my opinion. Sometimes the anarchy of this list is
entertaining.....
And I might add....I find it hilarious when something annoys the Crudmudgeonous
few amongst us....we should keep a running list!
Sort/Delete/Repeat!
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Matt Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
Everyone,
ok I'm piping up as one who really doesn't care one way or the other on this. I
have all Texas Cavers email go into a folder on my yahoo account, just for this
reason. That said I agree that alot of the replies really seem more like
attention grabbing than having any real value. Yes, we're a clever bunch, and
we love to have fun. There should be a nice balance inbetween the ME TO ME TOO
posts and the word count. I think we're all adults here....ok atleast in
age.....so instead of jumping on Bill or Andy just realize that your action do
annoy others on here sometime. I mean give them credit because they did wait
until the count go over 20+ emails over 3 days to post about this. I think a
word count isn't the answer, but just because you have something clever to say
doesn't mean it's fun for everyone. I'd say leave that type of stuff for
facebook. As any one on my friends list will tell you I enjoy quips more than
most.
So again I'm not saying shut up, just saying respect others on this list,
otherwise what will happen is this list will become useless and people will
stop checking it or posting trips on it. That is my skin in this game if you're
wondering why i decided to post.
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
From: Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>
To: Cavetex <[email protected]>
Cc: Brian Riordan <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:22:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.
I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else. If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right. It's also
Brian's right to ramble. As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.
We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com
100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.
My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)
Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately....
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan<[email protected]> wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way. I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting). This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>>
>>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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>If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>interesting material to add, how about not replying...
Aw, c'mon, Bill! Some of those one-liners are fun(ny)! (I liked Heather's!)
Maybe a better solution for you is a daily digest. Then you scan scoot right
past the short posts, and delete the entire day's drivel with a single click!
Alex
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you know were all going to forget this in less than a week and well be back to
incomplete paragraphs, ive already got the ball rolling >: )
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: delete button
>If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>interesting material to add, how about not replying...
Aw, c'mon, Bill! Some of those one-liners are fun(ny)! (I liked Heather's!)
Maybe a better solution for you is a daily digest. Then you scan scoot right
past the short posts, and delete the entire day's drivel with a single click!
Alex
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Wow, I would never have expected the volume of interest on this
listserve regarding whether there will be enough water to swim/bathe
in at TCR! I plan to make some handmade bar soap and bring it to TCR--
it will be for sale, with all profits to be donated to the TCMA.
I hope that the prospect of a water shortage will not prevent cavers
from making a purchase. Drop by the Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto camping
area (you won't be able to miss it, we have a large banner) if you'd
like to buy soaps scented with Texas lavender, peppermint, mango,
various other floral scents and even Cave Dirt! You can go home
smelling like a rose (or whatever), and you can tell people that
indeed, there are some good things about Dallas, Texas.
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
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Where should we send our rendered fat and ashes? You said you are making soap.
Wow, I would never have expected the volume of interest on this
listserve regarding whether there will be enough water to swim/bathe
in at TCR! I plan to make some handmade bar soap and bring it to TCR--
it will be for sale, with all profits to be donated to the TCMA.
I hope that the prospect of a water shortage will not prevent cavers
from making a purchase. Drop by the Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto camping
area (you won't be able to miss it, we have a large banner) if you'd
like to buy soaps scented with Texas lavender, peppermint, mango,
various other floral scents and even Cave Dirt! You can go home
smelling like a rose (or whatever), and you can tell people that
indeed, there are some good things about Dallas, Texas.
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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In an expression of skepticism about Bear Grylls' caving exploits, Fofo said
"I stopped believing the whole thing one time when he did a rappel, he
tied one end of the rope, threw the rest down and descended -- and
later, he had the whole rope again with him! Uh, yeah, right..."
Actually there is a way to do that. It's not a technique I'd recommend, but
from all the comments people have been making about Bear Grylls, I wouldn't put
it past him to try it. You simply tie the end of your rope to a weak rigging
point that's strong enough to support just slightly more than your body weight.
You rappel down almost to the bottom and then bounce a little or otherwise do
something to momentarily increase tension on the rope. The rigging point
breaks, you take a short fall (hopefully short enough not to cause serious
injury), and the rope falls all around you. You get up (if you can), wipe away
any excess mud and blood, coil the rope, and proceed on your way through the
cave (presumably to a second entrance, since you can't go back the way you came
in).
I bet I know what you're thinking. You think this scenario is too far fetched
to resemble anything that would actually happen to a real caver in a real cave,
don't you. Well, I'd be inclined to think that way, too, if I hadn't witnessed
a similar incident with a cable ladder back in the mid 1970s, while caving with
the Huntsville, Alabama Grotto. I was with a large group of cavers on a Grotto
trip through a cave involving mostly easy horizontal passage. There wasn't
enough vertical work for people to bother bringing vertical gear for rope work,
but there was one short vertical drop which they rigged with a cable ladder. An
experienced caver familiar with this cave rigged the ladder to the customary
rigging point, which was a natural rock projection protruding near the cave
floor a short distance from the top of the drop. No one questioned the rigging
point selection, since cavers familiar with the cave knew it was the same
rigging point they had used in a number of past trips. Little did they know
that what they assumed to be a rock projection attached to a solid rock cave
floor was actually just a moderate sized rock partially embedded in dirt.
A number of cavers (including me) descended the cable ladder without incident.
Some used a top belay, either because they were inexperienced with cable ladder
climbing or because (like me) they had heard how cable ladders in seemingly
good condition sometimes could break due to hidden corrosion damage. Others
felt confident enough to climb with no belay. Then one of the larger cavers in
the group began his decent. He was a big strong guy, experienced enough to feel
confident about doing this short cable ladder climb with no belay. He was so
confident, in fact, that he let his small child ride down on his shoulders.
During the climb down, however, the rigging point suddenly gave way, allowing
the man, the child, and the ladder to begin falling together. Then something
near the top of the ladder became wedged in a rock crack, causing the ladder to
stop suddenly and pull loose from the man's grip. His foot, however, became
tangled in the ladder, causing him to flip backwards and dangle upside down
with his head just slightly above the floor. The child went flying through the
air and landed in a soft mud puddle. Neither of them had any significant
injuries. Fortunately, there were enough cavers below to untangle the man from
the ladder, and there were enough others above to pull the ladder back up and
rig it to something more secure. The trip continued, and for the remaining
cable ladder climbs, even the most experienced cavers were much more inclined
to use a belay.
If word of this stunt somehow were to get back to Bear Grylls, do you think
he'd try it on TV?
Rod
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>From: Fofo <[email protected]>
>Sent: Aug 21, 2009 1:23 PM
>To: texascavers <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a
>strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)
>
>Sounds like another episode I saw, where he got into a mine with a torch
>that he dipped in kerosene. He went deeper, downclimbed a shaft, _then_
>his torch went out (and I thought, "In real life, that would pretty much
>be 'game over'") and he said how dangerous the whole thing was and he
>kept walking (in total darkness, recorder in IR), following the wall,
>until he found the exit.
>
>I stopped believing the whole thing one time when he did a rappel, he
>tied one end of the rope, threw the rest down and descended -- and
>later, he had the whole rope again with him! Uh, yeah, right...
>
> - Fofo
>
>Don Cooper wrote, on 21/8/09 9:48:
>> Nay, but following Occam's Razor - "If it smells of 'B.S.' - it probably
>> IS some form of 'S.'...
>> -WaV
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:39 AM, <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> From TagNet this morning:
>> c
>> Man vs. Wild
>> By: Karl Niles (Bowling Green, Kentucky)
>>
>> Caught an episode of Man vs. Wild Wednesday night. Bear Grylls (host)
>> got dropped off by chopper in a remote area of Alabama.
>>
>>
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http://www.bicimapas.com.mx/MexicGPSAtlasEn.htm
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...in Alabama, and I liked the show. I kept wondering what kind of
insulating clothes he was wearing when he went "rafting" down the
river, as he was totally soaked. He should have been hypothermic after
that stunt, but wasn't.
BTW, the technique he used to subdue the wild boar (by flopping down
on it's side and pinning it) was similar to the technique used by La
Macha to subdue wild cattle in the Purificacion in Mexico. Just in
case you wondered.
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
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I was just out picking prickly pears (this time with gloves) around my
apartment complex and stumbled upon a cave entrance. It's small and covered in
a grating, with no apparent way to gain access.
The location is on an easement road that runs through the apartments from 620
to the Balcones Canyonlands Preserve (right near a locked gate to the same).
Does anybody know about this cave, and whether it was surveyed before
(presumably the apartment complex builders) grated it?
Best Regards,
~~Thomas
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You picking tunas or nopalitos?
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I was just out picking prickly pears (this time with gloves) around my apartment complex and stumbled upon a cave entrance. It's small and covered in a grating, with no apparent way to gain access.
The location is on an easement road that runs through the apartments from 620 to the Balcones Canyonlands Preserve (right near a locked gate to the same). Does anybody know about this cave, and whether it was surveyed before (presumably the apartment complex builders) grated it?
Best Regards,
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I was the person who shipped the artwork salon stuff back to the artist.
One of the artist has not received their artwork and there does not appear to
be any record of it being shipped.
Does anybody have any idea what might have happened to it?
Supposedly on Sunday, it was boxed up in the libary with a FedEx label.
I shipped everything UPS, except one package by postal air-mail to France.
David Locklear
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I used my wife's mini-van to go to ICS.
Afterwards, I cleaned out the van, but she has not
been driving it much.
She had to haul a bunch of young boys in the van
home from school today, so she thoroughly cleaned
the van.
These boys come from a very conservative wealthy
family ( the employer of my wife ) and my wife did
not want them to tell their parents that my wife ( their nanny )
keeps her van with mud in it.
She picked them up from school this afternoon.
They are riding along, and my wife is driving
and the youngest of the boys, about age 7, yells
"Ooh, look what I found!!! Photos of naked girls in
caves!!! "
David Locklear
P.S.
It was the Texas Caving Calender. My wife, who
has no understanding of these things, thinks it was
sick porn, and now she is furious with me. I am
sure I will never see that calendar again.
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I love freediving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmv84gLdSdA
My deepest dive (resulting in the biggest fish) on the video was 60ft. That's
about 120ft, roundtrip. I can't imagine doing 395ft on a single breath but the
world record (without fins!!!!) is well over 300ft (>600ft roundtrip).
Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] interesting news - free diving in sumps
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 5:54 AM
I did Aqua in Bath County VA in 1995 or 1996.
T
Aug 26, 2009 10:28:10 PM, [email protected] wrote:
How many of you have ever been in a cave and done a "duck under" ?
Like maybe in Honey Creek, where you
hold your breath for just a second and go thru a very short sump and
pop out on the other side.
Or how about free diving a very short sump where you have to swim a
few feet like in Carrizal or Acahuizotla?
Well here is a very crazy guy in Austalia that went 395 feet on a
single breath of air thru an underwater
cave passage:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6808538.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00605/news_dive_605008a.jpg
Here is a summary:
Mike Wells swam through Fish Rock Cave in only two minutes and 40 seconds.
He narrowly averted disaster when his MONOFIN became trapped in a
narrow crevice. His son, a member of the support team, freed him.
“It was very hard,” Mr Wells said.
Mr Wells, who describes freediving as a “grand madness”, followed a
rope to dive down to the tunnel entrance and swam through the cave to
the pool of light that marked its exit.
The cave, on the New South Wales coast, has an ocean surge that sweeps
through the narrow chambers.
Most experts thought the cave was too long and dangerous for anyone to
get through without oxygen tanks.
Mr Wells’s respiratory specialist, Professor Matthew Peters, described
the pressure that would be placed on his body:
“During this dive, his lungs will compress dramatically, his diaphragm
will move up, his ribs will cave in,” he said.
David Locklear
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