texascavers Digest 30 Aug 2009 21:07:58 -0000 Issue 840
Topics (messages 11931 through 11940):
Re: Rethinking the delete button
11931 by: Brian Riordan
11932 by: Katherine Arens
11933 by: Ryan Monjaras
11934 by: Andy Zenker
Re: 15th ICS - photo box
11935 by: Mixon Bill
Re: Solution for Killer-Bee Attacks
11936 by: Mixon Bill
George-Paul Richmann and Jennifer Neberhaus
11937 by: Lyndon Tiu
About Bracken Bat Cave, on cnn...
11938 by: rafal kedzierski
Amish Texas Cavers
11939 by: Frank Binney
11940 by: mark gee
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"...and I feel blessed—albeit in a very non-religious,
non-denominational way..."
Yah, but be careful how you word things or say things around the
campfire. If someone thinks you believe in God, or have a faith
different from theirs you'll get roasted! It's a melting pot that
just might include you IN it.
Spiritually, amicably and half-jokingly,
-B
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM, JS White<[email protected]> wrote:
> I’ve read this thread with interest, consternation, and amusement all
> bundled up together. Back when this mailing list was “CaveTex,” I spent a
> year (and then some) as its administrator and moderator. I inherited the job
> from my dad, who just got plain tired of trying to keep up with Luddites and
> flamers and headaches from the list’s various hosting services.
>
> Here’s what I think, for what it’s worth. The “me-toos” and one-liners are
> indeed a nice campfire, sociable kind of response. You guys exist in a rare
> community. I’ve seen the old-timers take care of each other in ways that
> just don’t happen in conventional communities and families, and I feel
> blessed—albeit in a very non-religious, non-denominational way. You rely on
> each other for amusement, and you work together and learn together. I work
> closely with another Caver-offspring in a 40-hour/week bureaucratic
> environment. We marvel regularly at what a great thing it was to be raised
> by our crazy parents and their friends. In most cases, you know you can
> count on each other to care about important things in the same ways—family,
> friends, the land, the caves, the knowledge…your own lives.
>
> Use the Delete key as you see fit and keep your impatience to yourselves. If
> you really want to be business-minded, be cautious with your subject-lines.
> Use important first words: Trip Report, Work Weekend, Action Required,
> whatever. But don’t disparage each other for brevity or lack of brilliance.
> Gil Edigar can write an essay that would make any of us weep. Ted Samsel can
> make me laugh so hard I fear I will pee myself from a single line. But every
> non-stellar rejoinder or mundane reply meant something to the person on the
> other end who hit “send.” Respect that and appreciate it.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Have you considered printing double sided?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve left the history so you can check if this works…
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Simon Newton [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
>>
>>
>>
>> I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page
>> text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).
>>
>> Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save
>> a lot of paper.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Fofo <[email protected]>
>> To: texascavers <[email protected]>
>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
>> Hi!
>>
>> I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's
>> a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty
>> much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from
>> server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered
>> directly to specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty
>> decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
>>
>> Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
>> downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big
>> files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the
>> size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it
>> literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially
>> short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
>>
>> OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
>> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
>> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
>> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
>> information in any medium. Thank you.
>
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Well, don't campfires come with stakes? Or was
that steaks? It's friday and my catholic
background is very confused . . .
-k
At 7:55 PM -0500 8/28/09, Brian Riordan wrote:
"...and I feel blessed-albeit in a very non-religious,
non-denominational way..."
Yah, but be careful how you word things or say things around the
campfire. If someone thinks you believe in God, or have a faith
different from theirs you'll get roasted! It's a melting pot that
just might include you IN it.
Spiritually, amicably and half-jokingly,
-B
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM, JS White<[email protected]> wrote:
I've read this thread with interest, consternation, and amusement all
bundled up together. Back when this mailing list was "CaveTex," I spent a
year (and then some) as its administrator and moderator. I inherited the job
from my dad, who just got plain tired of trying to keep up with Luddites and
flamers and headaches from the list's various hosting services.
Here's what I think, for what it's worth. The "me-toos" and one-liners are
indeed a nice campfire, sociable kind of response. You guys exist in a rare
community. I've seen the old-timers take care of each other in ways that
just don't happen in conventional communities and families, and I feel
blessed-albeit in a very non-religious, non-denominational way. You rely on
each other for amusement, and you work together and learn together. I work
closely with another Caver-offspring in a 40-hour/week bureaucratic
environment. We marvel regularly at what a great thing it was to be raised
by our crazy parents and their friends. In most cases, you know you can
count on each other to care about important things in the same ways-family,
friends, the land, the caves, the knowledgeyour own lives.
Use the Delete key as you see fit and keep your impatience to yourselves. If
you really want to be business-minded, be cautious with your subject-lines.
Use important first words: Trip Report, Work Weekend, Action Required,
whatever. But don't disparage each other for brevity or lack of brilliance.
Gil Edigar can write an essay that would make any of us weep. Ted Samsel can
make me laugh so hard I fear I will pee myself from a single line. But every
non-stellar rejoinder or mundane reply meant something to the person on the
other end who hit "send." Respect that and appreciate it.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>
wrote:
Have you considered printing double sided?
I've left the history so you can check if this works
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Simon Newton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page
text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).
Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save
a lot of paper.
Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
Simon
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fofo <[email protected]>
To: texascavers <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
Hi!
I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's
a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty
much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from
server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered
directly to specific folders, group messages
by thread, etc. It has a pretty
decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big
>> files to download, and for really bad
connections you can put a limit on the
size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it
literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially
short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
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hear, hear!!!
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:45:19 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Rethinking the delete button
I’ve read this thread with interest, consternation, and
amusement all bundled up together.
Back when this mailing list was “CaveTex,” I spent a year (and then
some) as its administrator and moderator. I inherited the job from my dad, who
just got plain tired of trying to keep up with Luddites and flamers and
headaches from the list’s various hosting services.
Here’s what I think, for what it’s worth. The “me-toos” and
one-liners are indeed a nice campfire, sociable kind of response. You guys
exist in a rare community. I’ve seen the old-timers take care of each other in
ways that just don’t happen in conventional communities and families, and I
feel blessed—albeit in a very non-religious, non-denominational way. You rely
on each other for amusement, and you work together and learn together. I work
closely with another Caver-offspring in a 40-hour/week bureaucratic environment.
We marvel regularly at what a great thing it was to be raised by our crazy
parents and their friends. In most cases, you know you can count on each other
to care about important things in the same ways—family, friends, the land, the
caves, the knowledge…your own lives.
Use the Delete key as you see fit and keep your impatience
to yourselves. If you really want to be business-minded, be cautious with your
subject-lines. Use important first words:
Trip Report, Work Weekend, Action Required, whatever. But don’t
disparage each other for brevity or lack of brilliance. Gil Edigar can write an
essay that would make any of us weep. Ted Samsel can make me laugh so hard I
fear I will pee myself from a single line. But every non-stellar rejoinder or
mundane reply meant something to the person on the other end who hit “send.”
Respect that and appreciate it.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]> wrote:
Have you considered printing double sided?
I’ve left the history so you can check if this works…
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Simon Newton
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
I have my secretary print all
my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt
font).
Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save a lot
of paper.
Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
Simon
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From: Fofo <[email protected]>
To: texascavers <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
Hi!
I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a
throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty much
do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from server,
delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered directly to
specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk
mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big
files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the
size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it
literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially short
replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
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medium. Thank you.
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Somebody just explained to me how gmail works with putting all the emails into
a single thread that's easy to read and you don't have to open up every email.
Now, I just need to unsubscribe and resubscribe with my gmail account. So let
the nonsense flow! 40, 50, 1000 message ... makes no difference!
Andy Zenker
Texas Caver
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Ryan Monjaras <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Ryan Monjaras <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Rethinking the delete button
To: "texas cavers" <[email protected]>
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I’ve read this thread with interest, consternation, and
amusement all bundled up together.
Back when this mailing list was “CaveTex,” I spent a year (and then
some) as its administrator and moderator. I inherited the job from my dad, who
just got plain tired of trying to keep up with Luddites and flamers and
headaches from the list’s various hosting services.
Here’s what I think, for what it’s worth. The “me-toos” and
one-liners are indeed a nice campfire, sociable kind of response. You guys
exist in a rare community. I’ve seen the old-timers take care of each other in
ways that just don’t happen in conventional communities and families, and I
feel blessed—albeit in a very non-religious, non-denominational way. You rely
on each other for amusement, and you work together and learn together. I work
closely with another Caver-offspring in a 40-hour/week bureaucratic environment.
We marvel regularly at what a great thing it was to be raised by our crazy
parents and their friends. In most cases, you know you can count on each other
to care about important things in the same ways—family, friends, the land, the
caves, the knowledge…your own lives.
Use the Delete key as you see fit and keep your impatience
to yourselves. If you really want to be business-minded, be cautious with your
subject-lines. Use important first words:
Trip Report, Work Weekend, Action Required, whatever. But don’t
disparage each other for brevity or lack of brilliance. Gil Edigar can write an
essay that would make any of us weep. Ted Samsel can make me laugh so hard I
fear I will pee myself from a single line. But every non-stellar rejoinder or
mundane reply meant something to the person on the other end who hit “send.”
Respect that and appreciate it.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]> wrote:
Have you considered printing double sided?
I’ve left the history so you can check if this works…
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Simon Newton
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
I have my secretary print all
my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt
font).
Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save a lot
of paper.
Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
Simon
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fofo <[email protected]>
To: texascavers <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
Hi!
I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a
throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty much
do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from server,
delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered directly to
specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk
mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big
files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the
size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it
literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially short
replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
--
IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient,
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any
medium. Thank you.
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now.
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Forewarded by Mixon:
Begin forwarded message:
From: ICS 2009 eList <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: August 29, 2009 1:47:13 PM CDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: 15th ICS - photo box
Dear Friends,
Did you see the Photo Box when you were at the 15th International
Congress of Speleology (ICS)? Many of you were photographed there and
you can now see those photos at http://picasaweb.google.com/crrabon1/FinalICSBoxPictures02?feat=directlink
.
My thanks to Ernie Garza for bringing the Photo Box to the ICS and
sharing these photos with everyone. If you have questions or comments
about the box, you can contact Ernie at [email protected].
George
George Veni, Ph.D.
Chairman, 15th International Congress of Speleology
Adjunct Secretary, International Union of Speleology
Executive Director, U.S. National Cave and Karst Research Institute
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This thing is obviously a press-release with business motivations, but
it might be worth looking into. -- Mixon
Begin forwarded message:
From: JohnandSusy Pint <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: August 29, 2009 2:15:30 PM CDT
To: ranchopint hotmail <[email protected]>
Subject: Solution for Killer-Bee Attacks
In this week's Guadalajara Reporter. Hiikers can carry a can of
BeeAlert in their backpacks and venture wherever they please.
Texan develops innovative solution for killer-bee attacks
Friday, August 28 2009 13:10 John Pint
The deadly threat of Africanized Honey Bees is well known in Mexico,
where the bee population “went African” many years ago.
But only recently have people in the southern United States discovered
the grim reality of these attacks.
Will Baird, a wildlife conservationist and inventor living in Houston,
Texas, was deeply affected a few years ago by the tragic loss of a
good friend.
Emergency medical technicians use a portable BeeAlert sprayer during a
test-rescue in east Texas, conducted by Texas A&M. Instead of
receiving hundreds of stings, as in a normal attack, the victim was
stung only twice and a rescuer once.
“He was my neighbor and was just about to be married,” says Baird. “He
had a few bee hives on his property and overnight one of them was
Africanized. The next day, my friend began mowing his grass. As he
approached the hives, a cloud of bees poured out and attacked him. He
jumped off the tractor and the mower cut off his legs. It was a
horrible way to die.”
During the following months, Baird decided to seek a way for people to
defend themselves against an attack by Africanized bees. Because the
bees are particularly irritated by the roar and vibrations of
motorized vehicles, Baird first worked on how to protect a tractor
driver. Knowing that bees can’t stand smoke, he tried attaching smoke
bombs to a tractor. This approach failed because the wind either blew
the smoke in the wrong direction or obscured the vision of the driver.
Then Baird had an inspiration: what about water vapor instead of
smoke? He soon found out that bees have a defensive mechanism to
prevent their drowning in a spray of water.
“Bees breathe through their thorax,” he explains, “and they have waxy
hairs around the thorax which make the water bead up, so the flow of
air is unimpeded.”
Baird next searched for a formula that would allow water to bypass the
waxy hairs. Once he found it, he says, he discovered that a spray of
vapor would immediately kill the bees swarming over the body of a
victim under attack and would then hold other bees at bay, allowing
the victim to escape or be rescued.
“At first we thought we needed an awful lot of this liquid but we
forgot about the bees’ ability to communicate among themselves. The
relatively small number of dying bees immediately warn the living
which will then hover above the spray but no longer try to penetrate
it.”
Because the bees are forced to stand off, their victims are given the
precious moments they need to move away from the “hot zone” around an
Africanized Honey Bee hive.
Baird put his formula into devices mounted on tractors, portable units
for rescuers and 18-ounce spray cans. The formula was tested
extensively by Texas A&M University and the results can be seen in a
video on www.beealert.com.
“What’s unique about this liquid is that it is completely non-toxic
both to people and to the environment,” says Baird. “It simply
interferes with the bees’ breathing.” He points out that it can be
safely sprayed directly on the body and face of a person covered with
bees, unlike an insecticide or firefighting foam, both of which are
toxic.
Baird now heads a company called BeeAware, Inc. which operates out of
Houston. Although the spray (called BeeAlert) is still not available
from retailers in Mexico, it is expected to go on sale here within a
few months.
Asked what kind of feedback he has received from his customers, Baird
replied, “Just one week ago I got a call. ‘Is this Will Baird?’ asked
the caller. ‘Yes,’ I replied. ‘Well, I want to thank you,’ said the
voice. ‘You saved my life.’“
Baird’s caller had been operating a bulldozer. When he began to move
some boulders, killer bees swarmed out and began stinging him. He
jumped off the bulldozer and ran towards a Jeep where a friend was
waiting. The bees followed him and immediately attacked the friend and
his dog, both of whom were sitting in the unroofed vehicle. By chance,
the friend had a can of BeeAlert in the car and sprayed it upward, in
a circular motion. The bees then stopped their attack and after a few
moments, the men and the dog left the scene, having received only a
few stings.
“In short,” says Baird, “it works.”
Our websites:
www.saudicaves.com
www.ranchopint.com
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Our good caving friends from Houston, George-Paul and Jennifer are
getting hooked mid-September.
Send them your good wishes and tips on how to stay hooked with the least
amount of effort and aggravation.
No, they won't be tying the knot in a cave or anywhere near one (are
there any in Ohio?), but they will be doing it the same day as Cave Day.
--
Lyndon Tiu
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Just wanted to share this little video about Bracken Bat Cave, on cnn.com.
See http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/08/30/wolf.texas.bats.cnn. It's
good that joe public will get a little exposure to the benefits of bat caves.
Fran, when out on caving trips I remember you looking a bit more appropriate -
little more muddy and grundgy - but will just have to accept you like this as
well.
Rafal Kedzierski
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My elderly parents in Missouri scheduled a family showing of Joe Datri's
Texas Cavers movie last night. Everyone loved the film but my mom expressed
surprise at how many "Amish cavers" there are in Texas.
Wonder where she got that idea....Gill? Crash?
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I wore a hat , that made me Amish???
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From: Frank Binney <[email protected]>
To: Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:03:42 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Amish Texas Cavers
My elderly parents in Missouri scheduled a family showing of Joe Datri's
Texas Cavers movie last night. Everyone loved the film but my mom expressed
surprise at how many "Amish cavers" there are in Texas.
Wonder where she got that idea....Gill? Crash?
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