texascavers Digest 1 Sep 2009 02:04:27 -0000 Issue 841
Topics (messages 11941 through 11953):
Re: free diving in sumps-or not
11941 by: John P. Brooks
Texas Cavers Online Forum?
11942 by: Brandon Cook
11944 by: Charles Goldsmith
Big-Brother related
11943 by: David
11948 by: Louise Power
11949 by: Herman Miller
11951 by: Gill Edigar
11952 by: Mixon Bill
11953 by: Herman Miller
Re: delete button
11945 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
11947 by: Simon Newton
UT Grotto - Wed Sep 2
11946 by: Gary Franklin
Re: Amish Texas Cavers
11950 by: Don Cooper
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We used to free dive several sumps in some Oklahoma caves......while
surveying one water cave; we realized that there was a submerged passage
coming into the cave from one side...on the next survey trip; we brought in
a mask...and by dropping under the water could see the mirrored surface of
the water in a large room about 6 feet away. So we used a piece of webbing
as a dive line...and someone dove through...it popped up into a large room!
We realized that SOME sumps were just duck-unders in disguise. That first
room led to a second, longer duck-under...it was about 16 feet long...and
led to several thousand feet of virgin passage....Our technique
evolved....we started rigging the duck unders with old PMI caving rope...and
used the rope to pull ourselves through...that was easier than carrying
flippers....and eventually we were leaving drop weights ( dive weights with
brass latches) at duck-unders that we crossed frequently for longer survey
trips into the cave....we used the drop weights to ballast our packs to keep
them from floating up and snagging on the ceiling ( which did happen once or
twice...it was a scary moment)....we were very cautious when doing these
free dives......We finally found a couple of sumps that we didn¹t feel
comfortable free diving...they were either too deep or too long or at the
base of a waterfall...and we switched over to proper cave diving gear. I am
sure that one of these days someone will get access to that cave again...and
will wonder why someone would stash dive weights in such odd locations....
On 8/28/09 9:43 AM, "Andy Gluesenkamp" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I love freediving:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmv84gLdSdA
>
> My deepest dive (resulting in the biggest fish) on the video was 60ft. That's
> about 120ft, roundtrip. I can't imagine doing 395ft on a single breath but
> the world record (without fins!!!!) is well over 300ft (>600ft roundtrip).
>
> Andy
>
> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
> 700 Billie Brooks Drive
> Driftwood, Texas 78619
> (512) 799-1095
> [email protected]
>
> --- On Thu, 8/27/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] interesting news - free diving in sumps
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 5:54 AM
>>
>> I did Aqua in Bath County VA in 1995 or 1996.
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>> Aug 26, 2009 10:28:10 PM, [email protected]
>> <http://us.mc320.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> wrote:
>>> How many of you have ever been in a cave and done a "duck under" ?
>>> Like maybe in Honey Creek, where you
>>> hold your breath for just a second and go thru a very short sump and
>>> pop out on the other side.
>>>
>>> Or how about free diving a very short sump where you have to swim a
>>> few feet like in Carrizal or Acahuizotla?
>>>
>>> Well here is a very crazy guy in Austalia that went 395 feet on a
>>> single breath of air thru an underwater
>>> cave passage:
>>>
>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6808538.ece
>>>
>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00605/news_dive_605008a.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a summary:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Wells swam through Fish Rock Cave in only two minutes and 40 seconds.
>>>
>>> He narrowly averted disaster when his MONOFIN became trapped in a
>>> narrow crevice. His son, a member of the support team, freed him.
>>>
>>> ³It was very hard,² Mr Wells said.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Wells, who describes freediving as a ³grand madness², followed a
>>> rope to dive down to the tunnel entrance and swam through the cave to
>>> the pool of light that marked its exit.
>>>
>>> The cave, on the New South Wales coast, has an ocean surge that sweeps
>>> through the narrow chambers.
>>>
>>> Most experts thought the cave was too long and dangerous for anyone to
>>> get through without oxygen tanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Wells¹s respiratory specialist, Professor Matthew Peters, described
>>> the pressure that would be placed on his body:
>>> ³During this dive, his lungs will compress dramatically, his diaphragm
>>> will move up, his ribs will cave in,² he said.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Locklear
>>>
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Has anyone ever considered moving the list serve to a Texas Cavers Online Forum?
Online forums allow threads to be created for independent topics, where the
cumulative responses can be easily read in sequence, in single or multiple
pages if lengthy.
Users, members, or recipients can select the thread or topic they wish to read,
& easily read all responses w/ out any need to delete anything.
Furthermore, many options are available for users to receive e-mail alerts to
any or all posts and threads that they choose.
Here is an example of an online forum I use to keep up w/ Texas diving
activities (although this is a sub forum of a national board w/ advertising,
simple forums exist as well).
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/texas-swamp-divers/
Seems like a very efficient system that would work equally well for Texas
cavers.
Just my two cents...
Brandon
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Ryan Monjaras <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Ryan Monjaras <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Rethinking the delete button
To: "texas cavers" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:29 PM
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:45:19 -0500
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I’ve read this thread with interest, consternation, and
amusement all bundled up together.
Back when this mailing list was “CaveTex,” I spent a year (and then
some) as its administrator and moderator. I inherited the job from my dad, who
just got plain tired of trying to keep up with Luddites and flamers and
headaches from the list’s various hosting services.
Here’s what I think, for what it’s worth. The “me-toos” and
one-liners are indeed a nice campfire, sociable kind of response. You guys
exist in a rare community. I’ve seen the old-timers take care of each other in
ways that just don’t happen in conventional communities and families, and I
feel blessed—albeit in a very non-religious, non-denominational way. You rely
on each other for amusement, and you work together and learn together. I work
closely with another Caver-offspring in a 40-hour/week bureaucratic environment.
We marvel regularly at what a great thing it was to be raised by our crazy
parents and their friends. In most cases, you know you can count on each other
to care about important things in the same ways—family, friends, the land, the
caves, the knowledge…your own lives.
Use the Delete key as you see fit and keep your impatience
to yourselves. If you really want to be business-minded, be cautious with your
subject-lines. Use important first words:
Trip Report, Work Weekend, Action Required, whatever. But don’t
disparage each other for brevity or lack of brilliance. Gil Edigar can write an
essay that would make any of us weep. Ted Samsel can make me laugh so hard I
fear I will pee myself from a single line. But every non-stellar rejoinder or
mundane reply meant something to the person on the other end who hit “send.”
Respect that and appreciate it.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]> wrote:
Have you considered printing double sided?
I’ve left the history so you can check if this works…
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Simon Newton
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
I have my secretary print all
my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt
font).
Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save a lot
of paper.
Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
Simon
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From: Fofo <[email protected]>
To: texascavers <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
Hi!
I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a
throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty much
do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from server,
delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered directly to
specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk
mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big
files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the
size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it
literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially short
replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
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Brandon, this had been discussed many times, and while some people
like it the idea, I think the majority prefer email.
I'm one of the majority, webforums are useful in some fashions, but
for me, this is better. I keep up with upwards of 20 forums right
now, that's a lot of web browsing, and its harder to only read the
threads that I haven't read yet, and filter through the ones I'm not
interested, too many people won't start a new thread, but high-jack a
thread and change the subject. It takes more moderation as well.
These are just my opinions on the matter, so take it as its worth.
For quite a while, I've been archiving this list in a google group,
its a private list, so you have to be authorized to view it, mainly
because google's email address hiding algorithms tend to goof up at
times and don't hide the addresses properly, and I worry about email
address harvesting by the spammers. Google groups are setup much like
a forum, but not exactly.
For anyone interested, the location is at
http://groups.google.com/group/cavetex, once you request access, it
will send me an email so that I can authorize it.
Charles
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Brandon Cook<[email protected]> wrote:
> Has anyone ever considered moving the list serve to a Texas Cavers Online
> Forum?
>
> Online forums allow threads to be created for independent topics, where the
> cumulative responses can be easily read in sequence, in single or multiple
> pages if lengthy.
>
> Users, members, or recipients can select the thread or topic they wish to
> read, & easily read all responses w/ out any need to delete anything.
>
> Furthermore, many options are available for users to receive e-mail alerts
> to any or all posts and threads that they choose.
>
> Here is an example of an online forum I use to keep up w/ Texas diving
> activities (although this is a sub forum of a national board w/ advertising,
> simple forums exist as well).
>
> http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/texas-swamp-divers/
>
> Seems like a very efficient system that would work equally well for Texas
> cavers.
>
> Just my two cents...
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Ryan Monjaras <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Ryan Monjaras <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Rethinking the delete button
> To: "texas cavers" <[email protected]>
> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:29 PM
>
>
> hear, hear!!!
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:45:19 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Rethinking the delete button
>
> I’ve read this thread with interest, consternation, and amusement all
> bundled up together. Back when this mailing list was “CaveTex,” I spent a
> year (and then some) as its administrator and moderator. I inherited the job
> from my dad, who just got plain tired of trying to keep up with Luddites and
> flamers and headaches from the list’s various hosting services.
>
> Here’s what I think, for what it’s worth. The “me-toos” and one-liners are
> indeed a nice campfire, sociable kind of response. You guys exist in a rare
> community. I’ve seen the old-timers take care of each other in ways that
> just don’t happen in conventional communities and families, and I feel
> blessed—albeit in a very non-religious, non-denominational way. You rely on
> each other for amusement, and you work together and learn together. I work
> closely with another Caver-offspring in a 40-hour/week bureaucratic
> environment. We marvel regularly at what a great thing it was to be raised
> by our crazy parents and their friends. In most cases, you know you can
> count on each other to care about important things in the same ways—family,
> friends, the land, the caves, the knowledge…your own lives.
>
> Use the Delete key as you see fit and keep your impatience to yourselves. If
> you really want to be business-minded, be cautious with your subject-lines.
> Use important first words: Trip Report, Work Weekend, Action Required,
> whatever. But don’t disparage each other for brevity or lack of brilliance.
> Gil Edigar can write an essay that would make any of us weep. Ted Samsel can
> make me laugh so hard I fear I will pee myself from a single line. But every
> non-stellar rejoinder or mundane reply meant something to the person on the
> other end who hit “send.” Respect that and appreciate it.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Have you considered printing double sided?
>
> I’ve left the history so you can check if this works…
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>
> From: Simon Newton [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
> To: [email protected]
>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
>
>
> I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page text
> minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).
>
> Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save a
> lot of paper.
>
> Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
>
> Simon
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Fofo <[email protected]>
> To: texascavers <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
> Hi!
>
> I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a
> throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty
> much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from
> server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered
> directly to specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty
> decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
>
> Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are
> downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big
> files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the
> size of files to download).. I always have the preview panel on, and it
> literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially
> short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
>
> OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
>
>
> --
>
> IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
> information in any medium. Thank you..
>
> ________________________________
> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now.
>
>
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Is this for real ??
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090829/tc_pcworld/dhsclarifieslaptopbordercrossingruleswhatyouneedtoknow
This is caving related because many Texas cavers cross the border with
gadgets that store
data and photos.
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This is just too weird, practically that very same article appeared in
GovExec.com this morning:
CBP to continue searches of travelers' laptops
By Gautham Nagesh [email protected]
August 28, 2009
The Homeland Security Department announced on Thursday that it will continue to
allow Customs and Border Protection officials to search travelers' laptop
computers and other electronic devices without suspicion of wrongdoing.
The practice of searching travelers' electronic devices without suspicion has
been controversial. In April 2008, a 9th Circuit Court of Appeals judge ruled
CBP agents do not need reasonable suspicion to search travelers' laptops, smart
phones and other electronic devices.
In June 2009, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil
Rights and Civil Liberties held a hearing on the issue, which has been
challenged in court 11 times by individuals convicted of having child
pornography on their laptops.
Homeland Security released two directives on Thursday, indicating the Obama
administration will continue the practice of suspicionless searches, much to
the dismay of privacy advocates. Group such as the Electronic Frontier
Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union have opposed the practice,
saying it is invasive and likely to lead to racial and religious profiling.
"Keeping Americans safe in an increasingly digital world depends on our ability
to lawfully screen materials entering the United States," said DHS Secretary
Janet Napolitano. "The new directives announced today strike the balance
between respecting the civil liberties and privacy of all travelers, while
ensuring DHS can take the lawful actions necessary to secure our borders."
The new directives describe the department's policy on searching travelers'
laptops, cell phones and other electronic devices in-depth and set a five-day
limit on Customs and Border Protection searches. Immigration and Customs
Enforcement special agents are allowed up to 30 days to search an electronic
device. The new rules require agents to get a supervisor's approval before
confiscating a device and CBP must notify travelers where their device is being
kept.
But the changes don't go far enough, according to Christopher Calabrese,
counsel for the ACLU's Technology and Liberty program.
"Essentially, they retain the power to look at any laptop at any time,"
Calabrese said. "Our reaction is that we still haven't reached the core
problems of the searches -- the totally suspicionless search of anyone with a
laptop and anything on a laptop."
Calabrese said in addition to protecting sensitive information like legal
documents or medical records that might be on the devices, his organization is
concerned about CBP agents using the policies to profile minorities. The policy
is misguided, given that anyone attempting to smuggle data into the United
States could easily do so from anywhere in the world via an encrypted e-mail,
he added.
"There have been a number of reports from advocacy organizations, Muslim
advocates, describing people clearly targeted because of religion and race,"
Calabrese said. "We take it too much for granted in this country sometimes,
that when we're talking about security it's OK to do nudge-and-wink racial
profiling. But it's not, and it doesn't have security value."
Customs and Border Protection searched approximately 1,000 laptops between Oct.
1, 2008, and Aug. 11, 2009, 46 of them in-depth.
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:05:40 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
>
> Is this for real ??
>
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090829/tc_pcworld/dhsclarifieslaptopbordercrossingruleswhatyouneedtoknow
>
>
> This is caving related because many Texas cavers cross the border with
> gadgets that store
> data and photos.
>
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All this does is clarify and establish written guidelines regarding the
search and seizure of electronic gadgets. Previously to this guidance there
really wasnt written and even now there are cases moving through the supreme
court in deciding what constraints should be placed on electronic devices.
Upon returning to the United States the DHS has a huge amount of authority
to search anything and everything in your pocession, literally anything they
want to look at is open game. Please see
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/RL32399.pdf for an aoutdated but generally
correct description of the search authority available to customs officials.
Any officer of the customs may at any time go on board of any vessel or
vehicle
at any place in the United States or within the customs waters or ... at any
other
authorized place ... and examine the manifest and other documents and papers
and examine, inspect, and search the vessel or vehicle and every part
thereof and
any person, trunk, package, or cargo on board, and to this end may hail and
stop
such vessel or vehicle, and use all necessary force to compel compliance.
I know a lot of people are stirred up and feel that this is a new broadening
of search authority but in all reality it is a guidance where there was none
before and limits the time that the DHS may keep your things.
Herman Miller
NSS 55273
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:05 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is this for real ??
>
>
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090829/tc_pcworld/dhsclarifieslaptopbordercrossingruleswhatyouneedtoknow
>
>
> This is caving related because many Texas cavers cross the border with
> gadgets that store
> data and photos.
>
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Herman Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Upon returning to the United States the DHS has a huge amount of authority
> to search anything and everything in your pocession, literally anything they
> want to look at is open game.
Herman is exactly right. ANY and every time you cross a border--ANY
border--you essentially and voluntarily surrender any and all personal
rights you may otherwise have. They can do anything to you and your stuff
that they want and for an inconvenient amount of time--in the name of
whatever completely off-the-wall and baseless Homeland Security law that the
running-scared Congress may have passed or DHS may have promulgated and
using any kind of profiling they adamantly deny. Without rules and
regulations they wouldn't have a job. They don't have to make sense or have
probable cause; the inspector could just be wanting to get a few jollies at
your expense--and it would be perfectly legal. They can detain you. You
pretty much have no civil rights and no defenses at that point--consider
that a given and be satisfied with it.
But the important thing to remember is that you have volunteered to this
scrutiny by voluntarily crossing the border. If you don't like that
situation don't cross any borders.
--Ediger
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Surely the authority of the customs people to inspect vessels or
vehicles applies only to those that have been outside the United States?
Anyway, there was an amusing thing in the news a few months ago. Some
guy came into the US from Canada and somehow the customs people
learned that there was kiddy porn on his laptop computer and arrested
him. However, the files were encrypted, and even the feds were unable
to break the encryption and prove it. Courts ruled that the defendent
could not be required to give up the key to the code. (I suspect this
might have been a deliberate test case, with the offending image
deliberately out where the customs inspector would see it.)
Drive them crazy. Get PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) and encrypt lots of
perfectly innocent stuff on your computer. Don't use some wimpy
encryption facility that comes with your operating system; it is
probably not NSA-proof. (Actually, of course, unless you deliberately
do something to make them suspicious--not recommended--, it is
extremely unlikely that they'll ever check.) It would be really nice
if it was easy and convenient to encrypt everything, including all
voice communications. But almost nobody really cares about his
privacy. Witness all those people who travel around with their cell
phones turned on, making it possible to track them in real time.
--Mixon
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I would like to point out that the same rights available to search vehicles
and persons coming into the country are available, though arent enforced as
heavily, to vehicles and persons leaving the country, I dont have the time
to find the specific section in 8 USC dealing with this though a current
news article is included below for your perusal.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/border/116595.php
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Mixon Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Surely the authority of the customs people to inspect vessels or vehicles
> applies only to those that have been outside the United States?
>
> Anyway, there was an amusing thing in the news a few months ago. Some guy
> came into the US from Canada and somehow the customs people learned that
> there was kiddy porn on his laptop computer and arrested him. However, the
> files were encrypted, and even the feds were unable to break the encryption
> and prove it. Courts ruled that the defendent could not be required to give
> up the key to the code. (I suspect this might have been a deliberate test
> case, with the offending image deliberately out where the customs inspector
> would see it.)
>
> Drive them crazy. Get PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) and encrypt lots of
> perfectly innocent stuff on your computer. Don't use some wimpy encryption
> facility that comes with your operating system; it is probably not
> NSA-proof. (Actually, of course, unless you deliberately do something to
> make them suspicious--not recommended--, it is extremely unlikely that
> they'll ever check.) It would be really nice if it was easy and convenient
> to encrypt everything, including all voice communications. But almost nobody
> really cares about his privacy. Witness all those people who travel around
> with their cell phones turned on, making it possible to track them in real
> time.
> --Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> A fearless man cannot be brave.
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My secretary would tell me to stuff it. You can't good help these days, can you?
T
Aug 28, 2009 10:28:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).
Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would save a lot of paper.
Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
Simon
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From: Fofo <[email protected]>
To: texascavers <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
Hi!
I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered directly to specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
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Yes.
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
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> >> Have you considered printing double sided?
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> >> I’ve left the history so you can check if this works…
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> >> Cheers,
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> >> Stefan
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> >> From: Simon Newton [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
> >> To: [email protected]
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> >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button
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> >> I have my secretary print all my emails to paper, so I'd prefer 1 page
> >> text minimum (Times New Roman, 10 pt font).
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> >> Also, if you could remove the history chain at the bottom this would
> save
> >> a lot of paper.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for your compliance on this matter,
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
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Underground Texas Grotto meeting Wednesday September 2, 2009
www.utgrotto.org
The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.
on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html
The Presentation will be “Inner view of the Edwards Aquifer” with Philip
Rykwalder
Philip will join us via teleconference to share in this unique Karst Aquifer
Educational program that he assembled with the support of the Greater Edwards
Aquifer Alliance through a grant from Boeing. Philip has a vast knowledge of
Karst systems from his extensive international caving experiences.
For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see the web
site.
All of our information is available through our link including officer contact
info, trips reports, new caver training, event calendar, and posting links to
beginner trips or vertical rope training.
Not all of us, but some cavers meet before the meeting about 6:30, where we go
to Sau Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour, then afterward at about 9:30
for the after meeting, we go for burgers and beer at Posse East
www.posseeast.com
The UT Grotto needs you, the caver with photos and a story to share about your
adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool. Contact Gary
[email protected]
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It HAD TO be Gill with his 'imitation oatmeal box' look.
Its hard work and sacrifice
Living in an amish paradise
-WaV
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:07 PM, mark gee <[email protected]> wrote:
> I wore a hat , that made me Amish???
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> *From:* Frank Binney <[email protected]>
> *To:* Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:03:42 PM
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Amish Texas Cavers
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> My elderly parents in Missouri scheduled a family showing of Joe Datri's
> Texas Cavers movie last night. Everyone loved the film but my mom expressed
> surprise at how many "Amish cavers" there are in Texas.
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