texascavers Digest 1 Oct 2009 04:11:38 -0000 Issue 861
Topics (messages 12178 through 12193):
Re: New troglofauna
12178 by: Gill Edigar
Reducing Bat Deaths at Wind Turbines
12179 by: Mark Minton
Honeycreek Canceled
12180 by: Kurt L. Menking
12186 by: Andy Zenker
Re: 15th ICS - guidebooks and more for sale
12181 by: Mark Alman
Re yakima racks
12182 by: Nancy Weaver
Texas Cavers Reunion 2009
12183 by: Allan Cobb
Re: new Texas laws
12184 by: Ron Miller
12185 by: Quinta Wilkinson
12188 by: Fritz Holt
12189 by: Geary Schindel
12190 by: Fritz Holt
12191 by: Gill Edigar
12192 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
Bats Museum film
12187 by: Greg Passmore
TCR 2009:
12193 by: Walter Feaster
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From: Kathi Ireland Emery <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Subject: New troglofauna
To: [email protected]
http://www.livescience.com/animals/090928-new-species-underground.html
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New research shows that bat deaths at wind turbines can be
economically reduced up to 60% by simply turning off the turbines at
times of low wind. This is when the turbines generate the least
power anyway. <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090928095347.htm>
Mark Minton
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I don't know how far the Oct 10-11 Honeycreek trip announcement
traveled, but it has been canceled.
We all forgot it was archery season beginning this weekend, and the
hunters will be on the HC property. I did get the OK from the owner in
mid Sept, but she forgot as well.
Kurt
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I had in my notes that there would be a Honey Creek through trip in the
fall. Is this what is cancelled?
I haven't been there yet and would like to do a through trip one day.
Andy
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Kurt L. Menking <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don’t know how far the Oct 10-11 Honeycreek trip announcement traveled,
> but it has been canceled.
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> We all forgot it was archery season beginning this weekend, and the hunters
> will be on the HC property. I did get the OK from the owner in mid Sept,
> but she forgot as well.
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> Kurt
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From: ICS 2009 eList <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:52:48 AM
Subject: 15th ICS - guidebooks and more for sale
Dear Friends,
Did you miss the 15th International Congress of Speleology (ICS) or not get a
copy of the proceedings or guidebook while you were there? Did you want a
guidebook for a field trip you could not attend? If so, you can now purchase
these and other products from the 15th ICS by going to “Convention Items” at
the National Speleological Society’s (NSS) bookstore website at
http://nssbookstore.org/index.php?mode=store&category1=Convention%20Items.
You will notice that the top of that page says “Sold to NSS Members Only.” The
ICS was also the 2009 NSS Convention, and NSS regulations prevent sale of
guidebooks and related materials to non-members. This is mostly to protect
caves because cave locations appear in some guidebooks. However, the NSS
understands that these materials were for an ICS, not just an NSS Convention.
During the November 2009 NSS Board of Governors’ meeting, a motion will be made
where I expect this sales restriction will be removed on ICS products. I
apologize because I didn’t remember to fix this problem earlier.
All ICS T-shirts and pins were sold in Kerrville. No more are available. Some
of the field trip guidebooks have also been sold out, but they and other ICS
publications will soon be posted digitally for free download on the Karst
Information Portal (www.karstportal.org). The ICS website team is working on
final changes to the website which I will announce soon too.
George
George Veni, Ph.D.
Chairman, 15th International Congress of Speleology
Adjunct Secretary, International Union of Speleology
Executive Director, U.S. National Cave and Karst Research Institute
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the towers and crossbars are taken - 3 yakima jaw mount bike racks
available, call or email. great for cave recon.
Nancy
512 847 7422
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Howdy y'all,
Just a friendly reminder that the Texas Cavers Reunion is just around the
corner. It will be the weekend of October 16-18 at Paradise Canyon
(www.paradisecanyon.com) again along the scenic Medina River just west of
San Antonio. If you've been there, you know it is a really nice place, if
you haven't been there, come on out and be prepared for a big surprise. TCR
will have all the fun it usually has and will boast a low-key atmosphere.
If you have never attended a Texas Cavers Reunion, please try and make plans
to attend. You will get to meet lots of cavers from around Texas and
beyond. You will have a chance to buy caving gear, books, and caving
related things. TCR is a great place to see old friends and make new ones.
We will have the Big Feed on Saturday evening followed by awards and some
really nice door prizes. Sunday morning there will be meetings of the TSA
and TCMA. Everyone is invited and even encouraged to attend these meetings.
More information on other events will be coming soon.
Please put TCR on your calendar and make sure you tell all your caving
friends to see you there. Please make sure TCR gets mentioned at grotto
meetings, in grotto newsletters, and posted on grotto calendars. For more
information and directions, visit www.oztotl.com/tcr or email [email protected].
See y'all there...
Allan
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Driving is very serious business in Texas today. I recently sat in on a
criminal trial where an individual felt he could flee from a police officer
trying to stop him. That is a felony. A DWI today is very costly and an
offender is booked into jail on the first offense. Even medication can result
in a DWI offense. A simple speeding ticket will cost you nearly $200 even if
you do the defensive driving school.
Ron
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From: David <[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:58:37 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] new Texas laws
I think it is important to note that cavers should never drive before
or after their caving trips
while under the influence of any medication or alcohol, or drugs.
The penalty is severe if caught.
If you are driving home tired from a caving trip, and the police catch
you weaving, you better not
have had any of the above.
I would not be surprised if there are similar new laws in adjacent states.
David Locklear
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I was on a minor 6 person trial where a man ( he drove a Mercedes) was
contesting a traffic ticket. He was caught reading the newpaper (on the wrong
side of the road at the time) while wandering all over the road and did not
contest that part. He just said that he should not get a ticket or pay any
fine. Took us 5 minutes but most of that was reading the charge again in the
jury room and finding paper and pencil.
Quinta
Ron said:
Driving is very serious business in Texas today. I recently sat in on a
criminal trial where an individual felt he could flee from a police officer
trying to stop him. That is a felony. A DWI today is very costly and an
offender is booked into jail on the first offense. Even medication can result
in a DWI offense. A simple speeding ticket will cost you nearly $200 even if
you do the defensive driving school.
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When a ticket is involved, taking the defensive driving course will avoid the
fine and keep the offence off of your driving record but the "court costs"
required by the authorities and the cost of the DD class almost equal the
amount of the fine. It is worth it to keep your record clear. The course allows
an auto insurance discount averaging about 8% annually for three years by some
insurance companies but many are no longer allowing the discount. AARP sponsors
the DD classes in many larger cities and you do not have to be an AARP member
or old like me. The cost for non-members is only $14. and $12. for members. The
class is eight hours if related to a ticket but only four hours if taken only
for the insurance discount. Be sure that your insurance carrier allows a
discount before the time and expense to to take the class. You may take the
class to keep the violation off of your driving record if you have not taken
the class in the previous twelve months.
Fritz
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From: Ron Miller [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:59 PM
To: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas laws
Driving is very serious business in Texas today. I recently sat in on a
criminal trial where an individual felt he could flee from a police officer
trying to stop him. That is a felony. A DWI today is very costly and an
offender is booked into jail on the first offense. Even medication can result
in a DWI offense. A simple speeding ticket will cost you nearly $200 even if
you do the defensive driving school.
Ron
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From: David <[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:58:37 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] new Texas laws
I think it is important to note that cavers should never drive before
or after their caving trips
while under the influence of any medication or alcohol, or drugs.
The penalty is severe if caught.
If you are driving home tired from a caving trip, and the police catch
you weaving, you better not
have had any of the above.
I would not be surprised if there are similar new laws in adjacent states.
David Locklear
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Actually, taking a defensive driving course, even if you're insurance company
doesn't provide a discount, is not a bad idea. Matter of fact, I think you
should take one very five years to renew your license. It might make a safer
drive to the caves for everyone.
G
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I agree. I mentioned it for the people who would only take the class for the
insurance discount. I would believe that the majority who take it do so to
avoid having the violation go on their driving record. I also think that a
deterrent to violating traffic laws is getting a citation. It always made me
more observant but unfortunately, it wears off.
Fritz (more careful with advancing age).
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From: Geary Schindel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:50 PM
To: Fritz Holt; Ron Miller; David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Texas laws
Actually, taking a defensive driving course, even if you're insurance company
doesn't provide a discount, is not a bad idea. Matter of fact, I think you
should take one very five years to renew your license. It might make a safer
drive to the caves for everyone.
G
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I think it would be a good idea to have all the new laws (even the old ones)
posted by category on the internet so we could review them to see which ones
we are breaking now. They are always making new laws about riding in the
back of pickups and campers, wearing seat belts, etc. It could get to the
point where I can't put 8 people in my roll-cage speleocamper to go caving
or to the NSS convention like we used to. Seat belts are a good idea and my
older camper used to have some, but what about those people sleeping in the
back--do they need bed belts?
--Ediger
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>> but what about those people sleeping in the back--do they need bed belts? <<
You do on an airliner if you are able to secure three seats and try to sleep.
Bill
---- Gill Edigar <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think it would be a good idea to have all the new laws (even the old ones)
> posted by category on the internet so we could review them to see which ones
> we are breaking now. They are always making new laws about riding in the
> back of pickups and campers, wearing seat belts, etc. It could get to the
> point where I can't put 8 people in my roll-cage speleocamper to go caving
> or to the NSS convention like we used to. Seat belts are a good idea and my
> older camper used to have some, but what about those people sleeping in the
> back--do they need bed belts?
> --Ediger
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A film we are finishing up on bats... my last post about films for a
while :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ23ZMBcVMg
I really like bats and want to discuss myth, fact and conservation.
(We are super careful about WNS and don't film hibernating bats). I
have already been pummeled by people who think bats are "cave
kittens". I just wanted to make a nice little film about these
incredible furry creatures.
You will recognize Bracken and Frio. We are also still shooting lots
of other bats; including vampires and fruit bats. Film is due out in a
few months.
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Allan, what is on the menu for Saturday night?
Walter
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