texascavers Digest 31 Jul 2009 17:07:13 -0000 Issue 814
Topics (messages 11559 through 11566):
Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
11559 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
11561 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
11563 by: Fritz Holt
11565 by: Louise Power
11566 by: Nico Escamilla
Re: Steele's new Huautla and a question
11560 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
Huatla / Book Review / SPOILERS
11562 by: Herman Miller
Bill Steele: hero or human tugboat?
11564 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
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Ok, all y'all can relax now. I've quit rocking packs. The pinnacle of my
rockin' career was Frank Binney
last week and James Brown this week. I'm going to quit now. So, you don't need
to guard your packs. Don't
practice "rock paranoia" in other words.
Bill
---- Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote:
> I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
>
> I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr.
> Steele.
>
> Charles
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I
> > even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden
> > rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and
> > didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > ---- mark gee <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most
> >> people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill ,
> >> why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
> > [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >
> >
> > He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since
> > I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
> >
> > julia
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John P Brooks <[email protected]>
> > To: Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>; Frank Binney
> > <[email protected]>; Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
> > Cc: Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >
> >
> > LOL......Lesson learned once again....NEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with
> > Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND....or you WILL end up with a rock in
> > your pack.
> >
> > Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING".... Thou shalt not
> > trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
> >>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >>To: "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]>, "Frank Binney"
> >><[email protected]>
> >>Cc: "Texas Cavers" <[email protected]>
> >>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just
> >>one of the "fortunate" recipients.
> >>Fritz
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
> >>To: Frank Binney
> >>Cc: Texas Cavers
> >>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >>
> >>And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him?
> >>
> >>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
> >>
> >>Charles
> >>
> >>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
> >>>>
> >>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
> >>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
> >>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
> >>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
> >>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
> >>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
> >>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
> >>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
> >>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
> >>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
> >>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
> >>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
> >>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
> >>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
> >>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
> >>> have happened to that pack.
> >>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher
> >>> came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob
> >>> was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a
> >>> ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it.
> >>>
> >>> 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good
> >>> "friend" Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books
> >>> I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard
> >>> book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving
> >>> book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the
> >>> campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele
> >>> graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana
> >>> and I attended the photo salon.
> >>> Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in
> >>> Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I
> >>> remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they
> >>> weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits.
> >>> The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
> >>> made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
> >>> apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center
> >>> wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
> >>> criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
> >>> Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
> >>> transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
> >>> quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock
> >>> in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Thanks for volunteering to write an article, Bill.
It sounds like a good one!
OK, the rest of you slackers.
Start writing and submitting stuff to me!
Thanks,
Mark
(the increasingly desperate TC editor)
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:31 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; mark gee; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I even
told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden rock in a
pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and didn't look
hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
Bill
---- mark gee <[email protected]> wrote:
> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most
> people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , why
> dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
________________________________
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I
collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
julia
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Don't believe it. He's trying to throw you off guard.
Fritz
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:43 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; mark gee; Fritz
Holt; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
Ok, all y'all can relax now. I've quit rocking packs. The pinnacle of my
rockin' career was Frank Binney last week and James Brown this week. I'm going
to quit now. So, you don't need to guard your packs. Don't practice "rock
paranoia" in other words.
Bill
---- Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote:
> I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
>
> I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr.
> Steele.
>
> Charles
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I
> > even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden
> > rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and
> > didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > ---- mark gee <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for
> >> , most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the
> >> Caver. Bill , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns
> >> Excepted
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]; [email protected];
> > [email protected]; [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >
> >
> > He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since
> > I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
> >
> > julia
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John P Brooks <[email protected]>
> > To: Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>; Frank Binney
> > <[email protected]>; Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
> > Cc: Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >
> >
> > LOL......Lesson learned once again....NEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with
> > Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND....or you WILL end up with a rock in
> > your pack.
> >
> > Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING".... Thou shalt not
> > trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
> >>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >>To: "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]>, "Frank Binney"
> >><[email protected]>
> >>Cc: "Texas Cavers" <[email protected]>
> >>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just
> >>one of the "fortunate" recipients.
> >>Fritz
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
> >>To: Frank Binney
> >>Cc: Texas Cavers
> >>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >>
> >>And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him?
> >>
> >>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
> >>
> >>Charles
> >>
> >>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
> >>>>
> >>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in
> >>> the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the
> >>> entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream
> >>> passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped
> >>> by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
> >>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
> >>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
> >>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
> >>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by
> >>> rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet
> >>> entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we
> >>> pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly
> >>> thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper
> >>> entrance.
> >>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
> >>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what
> >>> might have happened to that pack.
> >>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie
> >>> Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few
> >>> years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty
> >>> pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to
> >>> reunite me with it.
> >>>
> >>> 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my
> >>> good "friend" Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with
> >>> heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's
> >>> Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French
> >>> caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.)
> >>> Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived
> >>> but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his
> >>> truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon.
> >>> Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me
> >>> in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my
> >>> apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those
> >>> books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight
> >>> limits.
> >>> The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
> >>> made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
> >>> apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail
> >>> center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
> >>> criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
> >>> Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
> >>> transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered
> >>> a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst
> >>> rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Yeah, right. Does anybody really believe this?
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:43:09 -0400
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>
> Ok, all y'all can relax now. I've quit rocking packs. The pinnacle of my
> rockin' career was Frank Binney
> last week and James Brown this week. I'm going to quit now. So, you don't
> need to guard your packs. Don't
> practice "rock paranoia" in other words.
>
> Bill
>
> ---- Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
> >
> > I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr.
> > Steele.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I
> > > even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden
> > > rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and
> > > didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > ---- mark gee <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for ,
> > >> most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver.
> > >> Bill , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > To: [email protected]; [email protected];
> > > [email protected]; [email protected]
> > > Cc: [email protected]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >
> > >
> > > He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but
> > > since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
> > >
> > > julia
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John P Brooks <[email protected]>
> > > To: Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>; Frank Binney
> > > <[email protected]>; Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
> > > Cc: Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
> > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >
> > >
> > > LOL......Lesson learned once again....NEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE
> > > with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND....or you WILL end up with a rock
> > > in your pack.
> > >
> > > Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING".... Thou shalt not
> > > trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
> > >>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >>To: "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]>, "Frank Binney"
> > >><[email protected]>
> > >>Cc: "Texas Cavers" <[email protected]>
> > >>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were
> > >>just one of the "fortunate" recipients.
> > >>Fritz
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:[email protected]]
> > >>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
> > >>To: Frank Binney
> > >>Cc: Texas Cavers
> > >>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >>
> > >>And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him?
> > >>
> > >>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
> > >>
> > >>Charles
> > >>
> > >>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney<[email protected]>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
> > >>>>
> > >>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
> > >>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
> > >>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
> > >>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
> > >>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
> > >>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
> > >>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
> > >>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
> > >>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
> > >>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
> > >>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
> > >>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
> > >>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
> > >>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
> > >>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
> > >>> have happened to that pack.
> > >>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher
> > >>> came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob
> > >>> was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a
> > >>> ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with
> > >>> it.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good
> > >>> "friend" Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books
> > >>> I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard
> > >>> book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving
> > >>> book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the
> > >>> campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele
> > >>> graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana
> > >>> and I attended the photo salon.
> > >>> Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in
> > >>> Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I
> > >>> remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they
> > >>> weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits.
> > >>> The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
> > >>> made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
> > >>> apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center
> > >>> wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
> > >>> criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
> > >>> Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
> > >>> transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
> > >>> quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock
> > >>> in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
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Bill's just bluffing.. Do not leave your pack unattended near him
Nico
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Louise Power <[email protected]>wrote:
> Yeah, right. Does anybody really believe this?
>
> > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:43:09 -0400
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > CC: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]
>
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >
> > Ok, all y'all can relax now. I've quit rocking packs. The pinnacle of my
> rockin' career was Frank Binney
> > last week and James Brown this week. I'm going to quit now. So, you don't
> need to guard your packs. Don't
> > practice "rock paranoia" in other words.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > ---- Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
> > >
> > > I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr.
> Steele.
> > >
> > > Charles
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto
> meeting. I even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well
> hidden rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys
> and didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---- mark gee <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for ,
> most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill
> , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]
> > > > Cc: [email protected]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but
> since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
> > > >
> > > > julia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John P Brooks <[email protected]>
> > > > To: Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>; Frank Binney <
> [email protected]>; Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
> > > > Cc: Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
> > > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > LOL......Lesson learned once again....NEVER LEAVE your back pack
> ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND....or you WILL end up with a
> rock in your pack.
> > > >
> > > > Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING".... Thou shalt not
> trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
> > > >>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > > >>To: "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]>, "Frank Binney" <
> [email protected]>
> > > >>Cc: "Texas Cavers" <[email protected]>
> > > >>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were
> just one of the "fortunate" recipients.
> > > >>Fritz
> > > >>
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > >>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
> > > >>To: Frank Binney
> > > >>Cc: Texas Cavers
> > > >>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > > >>
> > > >>And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him?
> > > >>
> > > >>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
> > > >>
> > > >>Charles
> > > >>
> > > >>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney<[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > >>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big
> backpack?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in
> the
> > > >>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the
> entrances,
> > > >>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
> > > >>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and
> other
> > > >>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
> > > >>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
> > > >>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
> > > >>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
> > > >>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
> > > >>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
> > > >>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down
> stream
> > > >>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my
> expensive
> > > >>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
> > > >>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
> > > >>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what
> might
> > > >>> have happened to that pack.
> > > >>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie
> Buecher
> > > >>> came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago
> Bob
> > > >>> was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on
> a
> > > >>> ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me
> with it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my
> good
> > > >>> "friend" Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy
> books
> > > >>> I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard
> > > >>> book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving
> diving
> > > >>> book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the
> > > >>> campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele
> > > >>> graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he,
> Diana
> > > >>> and I attended the photo salon.
> > > >>> Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me
> in
> > > >>> Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my
> apartment, I
> > > >>> remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books
> home--they
> > > >>> weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits.
> > > >>> The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
> > > >>> made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
> > > >>> apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail
> center
> > > >>> wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
> > > >>> criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
> > > >>> Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
> > > >>> transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
> > > >>> quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst
> rock
> > > >>> in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
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Or maybe Herman Miller?
Bill
---- mark gee <[email protected]> wrote:
> Could it be Marvin Miller
________________________________
From: Rick Corbell <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:14:06 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Steele's new Huautla and a question
Herman,
Truer words were never spoken. Bill is an absolute treasure!!
Question
I have found in my A/V stuff from the convention a cable adapter with the name
Miller written in Sharpie on the side. Looks like this>>
http://compnetusa.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_62&products_id=137
Must be from a Dell laptop. Is this yours?
Rick Corbell
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List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:28:32 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Steele's new Huautla
Bill really has and still is a great asset to the world of caving... though my
view may be a bit bias as I am reading Huatla in the middle of a thunderstorm
at 2:00 in the morning.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:48 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
Did anyone mention that Bill volunteered to write this book, and
>doesn't make a penny
>off of his hard work? Now that is dedication !
>
>He not only volunteered to take cavers to Honeycreek, and to lead the
>Howdy Party.
>
>Did I leave out anything ?
>
>Imagine the ICS without all of that.
>
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Written by the influential Bill Steele, Huatla, catches the imagination on a
multitude of fronts. The sense and longing for discovery can be felt in
Steeles words throughout the book and it is obvious caving and Huatla in
particular are written about in a fervor only possible when one truly loves
the subject matter.
The book recounts the exploration of the Huatla area and the life of Steele
over the course of thirty years. Having these two separate foci enriches
the experience greatly. On one side your following Steeles turbulent early
life and catching small bits of Texas caver history. The opposite exists in
that whole chapter(s) can deal with a single expedition focusing purely on
the remotest of details such as the smell one experiences when exiting a
cave after being starved from such earthly smells for so long. Another
detail not so nice as the previous recollections is the number of times
Steele faced death and only through his quick instincts or probably more so
just luck avoided such horrifying ends such as plummets down pits, falling
from free-climbs, or my personal favorite where at Steeles doing he was able
to save himself and several others from certain death at the hands of
Mexican Indians whom Christmas celebrations nearly included throwing our
brave cavers to there death to the bottom of a sinkhole.
Taking just the above summary into account one might feel the story
embellished slightly. When one witnesses Steele in cowboy boots and black
"flaming" tights most would certainly feel it was so embellished, and yet
his accounts become glaringly believable when one reads into the middle and
later portions of the book. It is with great courage and wanting of a
truthful account that Steele writes about some of his personal reactions
with others in our caving world. Many of these recollections are of a
positive account though one will read other accounts and while subtle they
build into a tumultuous tidal wave.
I'd like to end this review in saying that many people throw the word "hero"
around and yet after reading this book I can only state that on numerous
occasions Steele acted responsibly and heroically in both his respect for
the cave and his concern and care for his teammates, I think that fits my
description of a hero.
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This may not count as rocking per se:
I was on a trip with Bill Steele and others upstream from the natural
entrance in Honey Creek. He had a lanyard attached to his boogie board and the
end trailed behind him a few feet, just enough for me to grab ahold and catch a
free ride. He would fuss with his board and gear at which point I would let go
and swim a few strokes on my own just to keep up appearances. He finally
caught on to my parasitism but not before he towed me most of the way from
Whistler's Mother to the Q&A series. Sorry Bill, I guess I should watch my
pack from now on...
Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
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