texascavers Digest 3 Jun 2009 11:49:51 -0000 Issue 767
Topics (messages 10801 through 10815):
Re: Texas borders
10801 by: Fritz Holt
10802 by: Thomas Sitch
10803 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
ICS Stuffing Party, San Antonio, July 14-15
10804 by: ellie :)
Tone in Austin, come say hello
10805 by: Jim Kennedy
UT Grotto meeting  June 3, 2009
10806 by: Gary Franklin
Review of remarkable LED flashlight
10807 by: David
Niagara Cave celebrates 75 years underground - pigs and all :
10808 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com
10811 by: Minton, Mark
Blue Spring diver fatality and NAM cave diving death statistics :
10809 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com
Paging RD Milhollin
10810 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
Cave Article
10812 by: keith heuss
Comfort ready to go �bat�ty with critters� seasonal emergence
10813 by: Joe Ranzau
10814 by: wa5pok.peoplepc.com
WNS Joint House Subcommittee Hearing tomorrow, June 4. Watch live!
10815 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
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I think that the wall should have included our good neighbors, Oklahoma and New
Mexico within its borders. :)
Fritz
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From: Mark Alman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 3:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Texas borders
>From the NM cavers a little west of here...
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/texas_constructs_u_s_border_wall?utm_source=c-section
Mark
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From: John Lyles <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:46:31 PM
Subject: [NMCAVER] Texas borders
A little Texas humor....
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/texas_constructs_u_s_border_wall?utm_source=c-section
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Oklahoma and New Mexico are really client states of Texas anyhow. I'm sure
they get an easy time obtaining visas and work permits.
(You know, I've heard it said that "anyone north of the Red River is a yankee",
but relations are so amicable between Okies and Texans that I've never seen an
Okie called a Yankee... I guess it's in the same joking tone as when Bavarians
say "everyone north of the Danube is a Prussian").
~~T
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From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Texas borders
To: "Mark Alman" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:07 AM
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I think that the wall should have included our good neighbors, Oklahoma and New
Mexico within its borders. :)
Fritz
From: Mark Alman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 3:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Texas borders
>From the NM cavers a little west of here...
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/texas_constructs_u_s_border_wall?utm_source=c-section
Mark
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From: John Lyles <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:46:31 PM
Subject: [NMCAVER] Texas borders
A little Texas humor....
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/texas_constructs_u_s_border_wall?utm_source=c-section
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My mamma said anyone from north of Waco is a yanqui.
T (Living in Virginia/ Baja New Jersey)
Jun 1, 2009 09:16:32 AM,
[email protected] wrote:
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Oklahoma and New Mexico are really client states of Texas anyhow. I'm sure they get an easy time obtaining visas and work permits.
(You know, I've heard it said that "anyone north of the Red River is a yankee", but relations are so amicable between Okies and Texans that I've never seen an Okie called a Yankee... I guess it's in the same joking tone as when Bavarians say "everyone north of the Danube is a Prussian").
From: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Texas borders
To: "Mark Alman" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:07 AM
I think that the wall should have included our good neighbors, Oklahoma and New Mexico within its borders. :)
Fritz
From the NM cavers a little west of here...
Mark
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Texas Cavers near and far,
Come one come all for some pre-ICS stuffing party fun!
July 14th & 15th, 2009 (Tue & Wed evening)
We will be doing assembly line style stuffing of 1,000+ convention
satchels that have all of the guidebooks and convention swag for the
ICS registrants.
Come stay one day or stay for both. There is lots of land for camping
and bathrooms and showers in the house. Plan to bring $5 for a group
supper of pizza and BYOB to add to the revelry.
Take the train, take the bus, hitch a ride or take your car to:
11303 Dreamland Drive
San Antonio, TX 78230
#(509) 899-0007
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Cavers, especially Austinites,
Tone Garot, UTG webmaster and all-around good guy, is laying over at my
place for a day between our recently-completed PEP trip and his return
drive to Tucson tomorrow morning. If you want to come by the house this
evening and have some pizza with us and say "hi" to Tone, we'll be there
from 7 to 10. BYOB, or bring supplies for margaritas. The blender will
be running. Address is 3406 Catalina Drive, Austin, 78741-7041 if you
are interested. There will be both meat and non-meat pizzas available.
Tone says he might even have a little slide show from the trip ready for
showing on the big-screen TV tonight.
-- Crash
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Underground Texas Grotto meeting - Wednesday June 3, 2009
www.utgrotto.org
The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.
on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html
The Presentation will be by Mike Pugliese.
"Trip photography from the perspective of a new caver. My attempt to capture
the
community as well as the cave." His talk was assembled from trips to
Espeleocoahuila before his travels to Puerto Rico and J2. Come check out a
different perspective.
For information on Underground Texas Grotto activites, please see the website.
All of our information is available through our link including officer contact
info, trips reports, new caver training, event calendar, and posting links to
beginner trips or vertical rope training.
Before the meeting, we go to Sau Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour, then
afterward we go for burgers and beer at Posse East www.posseeast.com
The UT Grotto needs you, the caver with photos and a story to share about your
adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool. Contact Gary
[email protected]
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I mentioned last week that there was a new LED flashlight I wanted to test:
http://www.woodsmonkey.com/images/stories/Pictures/BrowningHuntMaster/HuntMaster005.JPG
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/images/3711236l.jpg
I got my hands on one tonight, and I was surprised. I had a hunch
it was going to be good.
The light pattern of this light is by far better than any light of any
kind that I have ever held
in my hand. It is a perfectly round circle and all areas are
exactly the same brightness.
It is almost as beautiful as staring at a full moon.
The other unique feature is that the light adjust from flood to spot
better than any other flashlight
I have ever seen. On flood setting, it could light up a large room
in a cave, for instance Cottonwood
Cave in the Guads at night-time.
Most cavers in a borehole passage would use the light on the dimmest
setting which I guess
is 120 lumens. They would only switch it on the max 400 lumens briefly
to shine down the passage or up into a high dome.
[ I believe it was designed to run continuously
only on the low setting and the high setting is what is called
"over-driving the LED." Apparently,
if you tried to run it continuously on the high setting it would
automatically dim down to the low
setting after just 10 minutes. ]
The picture below claims to be taken from about 65 feet away from the trees:
http://www.woodsmonkey.com/images/stories/Pictures/BrowningHuntMaster/HuntMaster004.JPG
That claim is accurate.
The light with tax is $ 108, which is more than most cavers are going
to want to spend on a
flashlight. However, maybe in a few years there will be lights like
this more reasonably priced.
The other problem with this light, is that if you dunk it underwater,
it appears water can seep into
the chamber through the lens adjusting mechanism. You have to have
slack in order for it to
adjust freely. I didn't see any easy way to dry out the
flashlight. It is possible you could
duct-tape over the adjuster which might help. Or you could carry
the light in a water-proof pouch,
or lexan wide-mouth water bottle.
I am fairly certain this light would light up the whole formation in
Kickapoo Caverns from across
the room, but I can't think of any other cave in Texas where this
flashlight would be suitable for
caving.
If I ever go back to Precipicio, this is the light I am taking.
If you were going to some really big cave, and couldn't afford a
Stenlight headlamp,
You could temporarily mount this light on the side of your caving
helmet, and then mount a
dimmer light on the other side to offset the weight, and then you
would have a full range
of light patterns on your helmet. In the center you could have a
Petzl Tikka or some
other compact LED headlamp.
It is important to note that this light would not be as bright as a single bulb
putting out 400 lumens, but instead more like 3 bulbs each putting out
133 lumens
overlapping one another to create a smooth beam. This is much more practical
for hiking, camping, caving, etc. In this case the low setting, is
more like 3 bulbs
putting out 40 lumens each, which is still pretty bright.
Here is one for only $ 75 plus tax ( ? ) and $ 8 shipping:
http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=BRO1236
I would like to see the light come in anodized color options, like the
mag-lites do.
I would like to see an additional dim setting low enough to use to
conserve light
in an emergency, like being stuck beyond a sump for a few days. I would like
to see the light more readily available like at Academy or some
discount department
store. And the price needs to go down to around $ 49 plus tax, or sold at
Sam's Club in a two-pack. I would like to see rechargeable CR123A batteries
improve and become less expensive. Then this flashlight would be
more practical
for cavers. In the meantime, go to Gander Mountain to get one and go to
Fry's to get the rechargeable batteries, or go on-line to get it.
I would like to see a headlamp constructed with this design. A creative caver
might just be able to modify it, by sawing the head off the barrell,
and rigging
something to hold the head on the front of the helmet and the barrel
on the side.
David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County, Texas
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Niagara Cave celebrates 75 years underground
6/1/2009 7:30:01 AM
By _Laura Gossman_ (mailto:[email protected])
Post-Bulletin, Rochester MN
HARMONY -- Niagara Cave's story starts with three mischievous pigs.
No one suspected there was a vast cavern containing massive stalactites,
prehistoric fossils and a 60-foot waterfall hidden under the rolling farmland
south of Harmony until three pigs owned by Phil Todd went missing from his
barnyard.
Unable to find the pigs in the barnyard, it wasn't long before Todd, his
nephews and some neighbors began searching a sinkhole on the land he rented
from John Kennedy.
There, they found the pigs, who had fallen through a crack at the bottom of
the sinkhole. So, with ropes and lights, the boys made their way down into
the hole.
The story goes that the three pigs were found alive on a rock ledge, but
they weren't the only discovery. Vast rooms and passageways extended farther
than the boys could see.
Open for tours
Eventually, cave explorers Joe Flynn, Leo Tekippe and Al Cremer, all from
Decorah, Iowa, became interested in the cave and started leasing the
property from Kennedy. They created walkways, installed staircases and bridges
and
an electrical lighting system powered by a diesel generator. They also
built a replica miner's shack over the entrance of the cave.
Niagara Cave was officially opened for tours 75 years ago today, on June 1,
1934. The milestone is being celebrated today with a town picnic in Selvig
Park in Harmony. These days, about 25,000 people tour the cave each year.
New owners renovate
The husband-wife team of Mark and Jenny Bishop have owned the cave since
1995. Their sons also help give tours.
Mark was a Rochester real estate agent and was working for the Minnesota
Department of Agriculture part time when he heard that the cave was for sale.
He'd been to the cave before and decided to buy the popular tourist
attraction, which is the only privately owned cave in the state.
After purchasing the cave, the Bishops renovated the gift shop and built
indoor bathrooms.
"There were just outhouses for visitors when we bought it," Bishop said.
They've also added new platforms, stairs, decks and a new lighting system.
Visitors can pan for gemstones and fossils using a mining sluice that the
Bishops added.
But it's what's underground that's most interesting. Highlights of the tour
are the waterfall, a wishing well and a wedding chapel where more than 400
couples have said their vows.
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a=402_
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The above URL is no longer valid; it is now
<http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=2&a=402000>.
On that page there is also a link to another karst story:
<http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=2&a=402015
>.
Mark Minton
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Blue Spring diver dies By ANNE GEGGIS and JULIE MURPHY
Staff Writers
ORANGE CITY -- A diver at Blue Spring State Park was found floating
unconscious in the water Saturday morning but could not be revived and was
pronounced dead at Florida Hospital Fish Memorial, officials said.
This is the first cave-diving fatality at Blue Spring since 1994, according
to statistics from the National Speleological Society, which began
tracking the numbers that year.
Robert A. Jones, 38, of Zephyrhills had been solo "free diving" -- with a
wetsuit but no tank -- when other divers discovered him at 10:22 a.m.
floating face down under about 10 feet of water near the spring's boil.
Jones was not breathing and had no pulse, and might have been there up to
10 minutes, according to an EVAC ambulance spokesman and a Volusia County
Sheriff's Office news release.
Rescuers from EVAC and the Orange City Fire Department had to enter the
water to get Jones out. Park rangers and other divers assisted, EVAC spokesman
Mark O'Keefe said.
"This was a rather complex, advanced life support rescue because the diver
was in the area of the boil," O'Keefe said.
Jones, found to be in cardiac arrest, had to be hoisted onto a backboard,
moved onto a rubber raft and floated downstream while responders worked to
revive him, O'Keefe said.
"Truly an unusual call for this EVAC crew," O'Keefe said, adding that the
crew had to get out of their wet clothes at the hospital.
The patient never regained consciousness, O'Keefe said. He was pronounced
dead at 11:33, officials said.
An autopsy will be performed Monday, authorities said, but investigators
don't suspect any foul play.
Cave diving deaths in Florida accounted for 42 of the 69 total recorded
since 1994. The last 11 deaths have all occurred in Florida between 2006 and
2009 to the present date.
Though this was the first diving fatality at Blue Spring, there have been
other close calls in which free divers -- who breathe deeply on the surface
of the water to slow the heart rate and then use slow kicks to exert less
energy while swimming downward -- nearly drowned there.
Like many free divers, a DeBary teenager sought out an underwater air
pocket in 2006. The goal was to catch a breath so he could stay down longer,
but
it nearly killed him.
Instead of oxygen, what the teen took in was carbon dioxide. He suffered a
seizure on his way to the surface, but was revived with CPR.
At least two other incidents occurred in which free divers nearly drowned
in the Blue Spring cave in 2002.
Avid scuba divers say there is no safe air under water.
Cave Diving Fatalities 1994-2009 (to date)
The National Speleological Society tracks cave-diving accidents in the
Americas. Its records are admittedly incomplete, so these numbers represent the
minimum number of cave divers who have died. Sixty-nine deaths have been
reported since 1994, of which 42 occurred in Florida. The last 10
fatalities, all since 2005, occurred in Florida.
Florida 42*
Mexico 9
Bahamas 4
Cuba 4
Brazil 2
California 2
Hawaii 2
Alabama 1
Belize 1
Missouri 1
New York 1
*-- Includes Saturday's death, which was the first in a Blue Spring cave.
SOURCE: American Caving Accidents
_http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/newWEST01053
109.htm_
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I have something for you and your old email address is bouncing.
Thanks!
Mark
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The June 2009 issue of National Geographic has a good cave article about TAG
caving. Check it out.
Keith
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Visitors to Comfort are going batty and the seasonal emergence of more
than 3 million Mexican free-tailed bats and a historic bat roost are
the main attraction.
Now owned by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, the Old Tunnel
Wildlife Management Area, 13 miles north of Comfort, is home to the
bats. The abandoned railroad tunnel was built in 1913, and it has been
home to the bats since 1942.
>From May to October, visitors come to watch the bats emerge from the
tunnel each night, usually within an hour before or after sunset. Most
bats exit through the south end of the tunnel, spiraling in a
counter-clockwise direction to gain altitude over nearby trees. They
travel southeast toward the Guadalupe River.
Bats exiting from the north end of the tunnel either travel north
toward the Pedernales River or south over the Old Tunnel’s observation
deck.
*
Red-tailed hawks are sometimes seen feeding on the bats as they
emerge. The bats return to the tunnel between midnight and daybreak,
having traveled an average to 25 to 30 miles to forage.
Comfort also is home to one of the state’s most unusual historical
landmarks - a bat roost. Years ago, the roosts were built in an
attempt to control malaria by encouraging the area’s large bat
population to remain in the region and eat disease-spreading
mosquitoes.
Then San Antonio mayor Albert Steves built the hygieostatic (which
means “standing for health”) bat roost in 1918 on family property in
Comfort. It was built according to plans developed by Dr. Charles A.R.
Campbell, physician and former health officer of San Antonio.
Though it is located on private land about a mile and a half out of
town on FM 473, visitors can see the roost from the road. The 30-foot
high tower is on concrete piers and covered with shingles.
Only 16 roosts are reported to have been built in the U.S. and Italy
between 1907 and 1929. The Comfort bat roost is apparently the last
survivor of seven roosts built in Texas and is the oldest of three
known to exist in the entire country. It is listed on the National
Register of Historic Places.
For visitors interested in bat viewing, Comfort also offers many great
places for visitors to “roost,” from historic bed and breakfasts to
Victorian-era mansions and country cabins.
For more information on the bat attractions and lodging, visit
www.comfortchamberofcommerce.com or call 830-995-3131. For bat
emergence times, contact the Old Tunnel Wildlife Management Area,
phone 1-866-978-2287.
http://www.boernestar.com/articles/2009/06/02/news/comfort/doc4a2434587e7de308604598.txt
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I have been there and seen both several times. That attraction is on
my agenda every time I am in the area, it is well worth the trip. The
park has a very nice nature walk and its possible to photograph the
tunnel entrance from the walk way. There are always very
knowledgeable park personal there too.
I didn't know the history about those bat houses. Joe, Thanks for
posting that.
Mike
> Visitors to Comfort are going batty and the seasonal emergence
of more
> than 3 million Mexican free-tailed bats and a historic bat roost are
> the main attraction.
>
> Now owned by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, the Old Tunnel
> Wildlife Management Area, 13 miles north of Comfort, is home to the
> bats. The abandoned railroad tunnel was built in 1913, and it has been
> home to the bats since 1942.
>
> From May to October, visitors come to watch the bats emerge from the
> tunnel each night, usually within an hour before or after sunset. Most
> bats exit through the south end of the tunnel, spiraling in a
> counter-clockwise direction to gain altitude over nearby trees. They
> travel southeast toward the Guadalupe River.
>
> Bats exiting from the north end of the tunnel either travel north
> toward the Pedernales River or south over the Old Tunnels observation
> deck.
>
> *
> Red-tailed hawks are sometimes seen feeding on the bats as they
> emerge. The bats return to the tunnel between midnight and daybreak,
> having traveled an average to 25 to 30 miles to forage.
>
> Comfort also is home to one of the states most unusual historical
> landmarks - a bat roost. Years ago, the roosts were built in an
> attempt to control malaria by encouraging the areas large bat
> population to remain in the region and eat disease-spreading
> mosquitoes.
>
> Then San Antonio mayor Albert Steves built the hygieostatic (which
> means standing for health) bat roost in 1918 on family property in
> Comfort. It was built according to plans developed by Dr. Charles A.R.
> Campbell, physician and former health officer of San Antonio.
>
> Though it is located on private land about a mile and a half out of
> town on FM 473, visitors can see the roost from the road. The 30-foot
> high tower is on concrete piers and covered with shingles.
>
> Only 16 roosts are reported to have been built in the U.S. and Italy
> between 1907 and 1929. The Comfort bat roost is apparently the last
> survivor of seven roosts built in Texas and is the oldest of three
> known to exist in the entire country. It is listed on the National
> Register of Historic Places.
>
> For visitors interested in bat viewing, Comfort also offers many great
> places for visitors to roost, from historic bed and breakfasts to
> Victorian-era mansions and country cabins.
>
> For more information on the bat attractions and lodging, visit
> www.comfortchamberofcommerce.com or call 830-995-3131. For bat
> emergence times, contact the Old Tunnel Wildlife Management Area,
> phone 1-866-978-2287.
>
> http://www.boernestar.com/articles/2009/06/02/news/comfort/doc4a243458
> 7e7de308604598.txt
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Tomorrow, June 4, Merlin Tuttle (BCI), Peter Youngbaer (NSS WNS Liaison),
Scott Darling (Vermont Fish and Wildlife Dept.) and Tom Kunz (WNS researcher,
Boston University) will present testimony at a joint House subcommittee
hearing on WNS.
Also scheduled are Secretary Salazar (Department of the Interior) and
Secretary Vilsack (Department of Agriculture). (It is unclear if
Secretary Salazar or Vilsack will actually be there or proxies.)
***The hearing will be webcast live on the Committee's Web site at:
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/.
The info below is from the Committee on Natural Resources Weekly Preview
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/newsletter/09_06_01_newsletter.pdf
On Thursday [June 4], the Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and
Public Lands and the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and
Wildlife will hold a joint oversight hearing on "White-Nose Syndrome:
What's Killing Bats in the Northeast?" The hearing will explore the
profound public health, environmental, and economic implications of white-
nose syndrome (WNS) in bats, which, to date, has spread to at least nine
states, from New Hampshire to West Virginia. Bats, which can eat their
body weight in insects each night, provide important ecosystem and
economic services in suppressing insect populations, which can spread
diseases and damage crops.
This oversight hearing will highlight the work of the Fish and Wildlife
Service, U.S. Geological Survey, National Park Service, and U.S. Forest
Service, in conjunction with state and local partners, to research,
manage, coordinate, and educate the public on WNS.
***Visit the Committee's Web site to access witness testimony
following the conclusion of the hearing.
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_jcalpro&Itemid=27&extmo
de=view&extid=259
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