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Re: DVD Review - The Cavern ( part 1 of review )
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DVD review - The Cavern ( part 2 of review )
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Burn!
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Now if only we could get you as fired up about coming down in the cave with
>>> us.... :) <<
>
> What she said.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ---- Mallory Mayeux <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
>>
>> David, I just skimmed your review, but you have to label it "SPOILER ALERT"
>> before you write a review that gives away the plot!!! Texas cavers need to
>> experience this firsthand!
>> I was introduced to this piece of cinematic trash by Ronnie Harrison, a
>> TX/KY caver in the Houston Grotto. He came over and we watched this movie @
>> my place, just so he could watch the expression on my face during the last
>> 15 minutes. This movie is SICK. A very disturbed individual wrote this
>> script. It's vile.
>>
>> That being said, I'm definitely going to buy a copy. I want to watch the
>> last 15 minutes on repeat a few times, just to be sure that I saw what I
>> think I saw. Also, I'd like to share this movie with friends & fellow
>> cavers, preferably drunk ones. (you need to be, to watch this in it's
>> entirety.) I want them to marvel, as I did, about who in the heck thought it
>> a valuable use of their time to produce this crap.
>>
>> David, I also love how you took time out of your busy schedule, not just to
>> watch this thing, but to write a detailed review of it and post it on
>> cavetex, and find links and web reviews for this trainwreck.
>>
>> That's dedication. Now if only we could get you as fired up about coming
>> down in the cave with us.... :)
>>
>> Mallory
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > You all remember the movies, "The Cave" and "The Descent,"
>> > but do you remember the one called, "The Cavern" ?
>> >
>> > Why did Hollywood make 3 very crappy movies about
>> > caving within a year of each other. ( If they had
>> > combined their financial resources and made one movie,
>> > it would have probably been watchable. )
>> >
>> > http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeVideoArt/Large/68/305968.jpg
>> >
>> > http://www.imdb.com/media/rm745905408/tt0451262
>> >
>> > I found the DVD of "The Cavern" at Half-Price Books. I don't
>> > remember ever hearing about this movie, but it must have been
>> > that it was rumored to be so bad, that I did not go see it.
>> >
>> > The directors of this movie seemed to try harder to make it
>> > more about caving than the other two. However, the audience
>> > was never given an opportunity to connect with the cavers. The
>> > cavers seem like a crew assembled for a Survivor TV show. I
>> > didn't believe any caver on the group deserved to be on this
>> > so-called important expedition, especially the trip leader.
>> >
>> > The cave was supposedly in a remote area of Kazakhkstan, however,
>> > there was no beautiful cinematography to make the audience appreciate
>> > the landscape. The cave entrance and passage were not impressive at
>> > all.
>> >
>> > The directors tried to make the audience feel sorry for the team as they
>> > had lost a colleague on a previous trip to Peru. She had washed away
>> > in a sump and was never seen again. I did not like the way they
>> > played this part into the story.
>> >
>> > There was one sex scene in the cave entrance, but it was meant to lead
>> > to the horror plot and not to be erotic. This scene could have
>> > been done completely
>> > different like a love scene in "Love in the Time of Cholera," and it
>> > could have played out
>> > very well. Instead the horror part was cheezy and stupid. The
>> > directors lost
>> > an opportunity for the audience to bond with these 2 cavers.
>> >
>> > The cavers tried to appear well organized. But any caver watching
>> > it would see
>> > a bunch of newbie thrillseekers. They immediately find a hole in
>> > the floor of the
>> > cave passage that is a pit leading to a lower level. They never
>> > see on the cave
>> > floor any sign of the cave being used by animals or some creature,
>> > like footprints,
>> > or bones. They all bop the pit in a matter of seconds, but it is
>> > only about 30 meters
>> > deep. I think the directors really lost credibility by this time
>> > of the movie. I don't
>> > know what kind of rappelling device the trip leader used. It was
>> > larger than a Petzl Stop and was at the
>> > face level of him. He squeezed it to make it descend like a Petzl.
>> > ( Some Hollywood gadget ? )
>> > Everybody else appeared to use a rock-climbers tiny Figure-8. ( I
>> > think most caver's would agree that this
>> > type of Figure-8 is not proper vertical equipment for caving. )
>> >
>> > Most of them were using cheap internal frame backpacks on their backs
>> > to haul their
>> > gear, and most of these packs appeared to be half-empty.
>> >
>> > They all had 2 lights on their helmet. But in an effort to look
>> > cool, they used both
>> > lights at the same time, even while their batteries were nearly
>> > depleted and they were
>> > hopelessly trapped in a cave with a beast.
>> >
>> > Immediately their cable-operated telephones did not work.
>> > Immediately one of their
>> > buddies was not in the room at the bottom of the pit. He seemed to
>> > vanish from thin
>> > air. They followed a large blood trail to him. His intestines
>> > were hanging out
>> > and he was gasping for air. The surface crewman was dissected by the
>> > creature and thrown with the rope into the pit.
>> >
>> > The rest of the movie was like the Blair Witch Project. They
>> > eventually shot the
>> > creature which they thought appeared to be a half-bear/half wolf, but
>> > we didn't see
>> > the creature then. It survived several gun shots in the cave only
>> > to kill the shooter.
>> > ( How many cave trips carry a semi-automatic pistol into the cave ? )
>> > They said
>> > in Kazakhstan, it was necessary, so I will buy that.
>> >
>> > So we are down to 3 cavers trapped in what appears to be a small cave with
>> > only
>> > a few passages barely big enough to stoop walk. ( But how does the
>> > creature
>> > get down there if there is no passage, and how does such a large creature
>> > move
>> > so quietly in the cave and in the dark ).
>> >
>> > Then 2 girls are left alone to fend for themselves with almost no
>> > light. They
>> > find a crawlway leading to sunlight. The audience thinks these 2 girls
>> > are
>> > going to live.
>> >
>> > This is when the movie goes from bad to just plain ignorant, and trashy.
>> >
>> > The girls get caught, but for some reason unknown to the audience, they
>> > faint
>> > and wake up in a room with a campfire and a door sealed by a large rock.
>> > They are naked, but covered in a bear rug. They have no physical signs
>> > of being kidnapped by a beast.
>> >
>> > There is meat roasting on a skewer above the fire, and the girls suddenly
>> > for no reason become savagely hungry and start eating the meat like they
>> > have not eaten in weeks. They soon realize it was their trip leader
>> > friend,
>> > and begin to vomit in a way that most of the audience wants to vomit.
>> >
>> > They explore the room, and realize that some human occupies it and that
>> > he was a child survivor of some sort of Russian plane crash back in the
>> > 80's.
>> >
>> > The creature returns. He appears to be some sort of cave-man wearing
>> > a cave-bear skull for a mask. He grunts and takes of his mask. He
>> > studies the girls. He decides to spear one of them to a bloody death.
>> > And then he apparently begins to rape the other one, as the movie
>> > ends in her bloody covered face screaming.
>> >
>> > http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2690292992/tt0451262
>> >
>> > The worst movie ending I have ever seen.
>> >
>> > Nothing about the creature was believable.
>> >
>> > The movie audience will not learn anything positive about caving.
>> > They will feel cavers are stupid for entering caves. They will
>> > feel cavers are boring people with no lives.
>> >
>> > Maybe the morale to the story was to tell someone where you
>> > are going caving and to have a surface support group on your
>> > expedition. But they still would have all been eaten by the
>> > caveman.
>> >
>> > Here is a web-review that seems to agree with me that the movie
>> > sucked.
>> >
>> > http://www.horror.com/php/article-1309-1.html
>> >
>> > David Locklear
>> > caver in Fort Bend County
>> >
>> > Ref:
>> >
>> > Here is a photo of the trip leader, shortly before he was roasted
>> > on the skewer.
>> >
>> > http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2742394112/tt0451262
>> >
>> > http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Cavern/70051025
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.hotmoviesale.com/store/productView.aspx?idProduct=22874&ec=1&ProdId=29
>> >
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:18:03 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] DVD Review - The Cavern ( part 1 of review )
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
David, I just skimmed your review, but you have to label it "SPOILER ALERT"
before you write a review that gives away the plot!!! Texas cavers need to
experience this firsthand!
I was introduced to this piece of cinematic trash by Ronnie Harrison, a TX/KY
caver in the Houston Grotto. He came over and we watched this movie @ my place,
just so he could watch the expression on my face during the last 15 minutes.
This movie is SICK. A very disturbed individual wrote this script. It's vile.
That being said, I'm definitely going to buy a copy. I want to watch the last
15 minutes on repeat a few times, just to be sure that I saw what I think I
saw. Also, I'd like to share this movie with friends & fellow cavers,
preferably drunk ones. (you need to be, to watch this in it's entirety.) I want
them to marvel, as I did, about who in the heck thought it a valuable use of
their time to produce this crap.
David, I also love how you took time out of your busy schedule, not just to
watch this thing, but to write a detailed review of it and post it on cavetex,
and find links and web reviews for this trainwreck.
That's dedication. Now if only we could get you as fired up about coming down
in the cave with us.... :)
Mallory
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
You all remember the movies, "The Cave" and "The Descent,"
but do you remember the one called, "The Cavern" ?
Why did Hollywood make 3 very crappy movies about
caving within a year of each other. ( If they had
combined their financial resources and made one movie,
it would have probably been watchable. )
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeVideoArt/Large/68/305968.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm745905408/tt0451262
I found the DVD of "The Cavern" at Half-Price Books. I don't
remember ever hearing about this movie, but it must have been
that it was rumored to be so bad, that I did not go see it.
The directors of this movie seemed to try harder to make it
more about caving than the other two. However, the audience
was never given an opportunity to connect with the cavers. The
cavers seem like a crew assembled for a Survivor TV show. I
didn't believe any caver on the group deserved to be on this
so-called important expedition, especially the trip leader.
The cave was supposedly in a remote area of Kazakhkstan, however,
there was no beautiful cinematography to make the audience appreciate
the landscape. The cave entrance and passage were not impressive at all.
The directors tried to make the audience feel sorry for the team as they
had lost a colleague on a previous trip to Peru. She had washed away
in a sump and was never seen again. I did not like the way they
played this part into the story.
There was one sex scene in the cave entrance, but it was meant to lead
to the horror plot and not to be erotic. This scene could have
been done completely
different like a love scene in "Love in the Time of Cholera," and it
could have played out
very well. Instead the horror part was cheezy and stupid. The
directors lost
an opportunity for the audience to bond with these 2 cavers.
The cavers tried to appear well organized. But any caver watching
it would see
a bunch of newbie thrillseekers. They immediately find a hole in
the floor of the
cave passage that is a pit leading to a lower level. They never
see on the cave
floor any sign of the cave being used by animals or some creature,
like footprints,
or bones. They all bop the pit in a matter of seconds, but it is
only about 30 meters
deep. I think the directors really lost credibility by this time
of the movie. I don't
know what kind of rappelling device the trip leader used. It was
larger than a Petzl Stop and was at the
face level of him. He squeezed it to make it descend like a Petzl.
( Some Hollywood gadget ? )
Everybody else appeared to use a rock-climbers tiny Figure-8. ( I
think most caver's would agree that this
type of Figure-8 is not proper vertical equipment for caving. )
Most of them were using cheap internal frame backpacks on their backs
to haul their
gear, and most of these packs appeared to be half-empty.
They all had 2 lights on their helmet. But in an effort to look
cool, they used both
lights at the same time, even while their batteries were nearly
depleted and they were
hopelessly trapped in a cave with a beast.
Immediately their cable-operated telephones did not work.
Immediately one of their
buddies was not in the room at the bottom of the pit. He seemed to
vanish from thin
air. They followed a large blood trail to him. His intestines
were hanging out
and he was gasping for air. The surface crewman was dissected by the
creature and thrown with the rope into the pit.
The rest of the movie was like the Blair Witch Project. They
eventually shot the
creature which they thought appeared to be a half-bear/half wolf, but
we didn't see
the creature then. It survived several gun shots in the cave only
to kill the shooter.
( How many cave trips carry a semi-automatic pistol into the cave ? )
They said
in Kazakhstan, it was necessary, so I will buy that.
So we are down to 3 cavers trapped in what appears to be a small cave with only
a few passages barely big enough to stoop walk. ( But how does the creature
get down there if there is no passage, and how does such a large creature move
so quietly in the cave and in the dark ).
Then 2 girls are left alone to fend for themselves with almost no
light. They
find a crawlway leading to sunlight. The audience thinks these 2 girls are
going to live.
This is when the movie goes from bad to just plain ignorant, and trashy.
The girls get caught, but for some reason unknown to the audience, they faint
and wake up in a room with a campfire and a door sealed by a large rock.
They are naked, but covered in a bear rug. They have no physical signs
of being kidnapped by a beast.
There is meat roasting on a skewer above the fire, and the girls suddenly
for no reason become savagely hungry and start eating the meat like they
have not eaten in weeks. They soon realize it was their trip leader friend,
and begin to vomit in a way that most of the audience wants to vomit.
They explore the room, and realize that some human occupies it and that
he was a child survivor of some sort of Russian plane crash back in the 80's.
The creature returns. He appears to be some sort of cave-man wearing
a cave-bear skull for a mask. He grunts and takes of his mask. He
studies the girls. He decides to spear one of them to a bloody death.
And then he apparently begins to rape the other one, as the movie
ends in her bloody covered face screaming.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2690292992/tt0451262
The worst movie ending I have ever seen.
Nothing about the creature was believable.
The movie audience will not learn anything positive about caving.
They will feel cavers are stupid for entering caves. They will
feel cavers are boring people with no lives.
Maybe the morale to the story was to tell someone where you
are going caving and to have a surface support group on your
expedition. But they still would have all been eaten by the
caveman.
Here is a web-review that seems to agree with me that the movie
sucked.
http://www.horror.com/php/article-1309-1.html
David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
Ref:
Here is a photo of the trip leader, shortly before he was roasted
on the skewer.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2742394112/tt0451262
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Cavern/70051025
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I am writing a part 2 to the review because the DVD includes
a real caver documentary called:
"Caverns of the Mojave" ( Desert )
It features cavers named Allan Rice, James, Rice, and John Woods.
They visit a lava-tube cave, and Allan describes the speleogenesis
of lava-tube caves.
There are 2 new non-caver named Craig Huddleston and Amy Black. They
are given Justrite Electric headlamps. All the other cavers are using
a common variety of xenon headlamps ( maybe Petzl).
However, I think the trip leader is using a Pelican LED like the one Bill
Steele uses.
Allan recommends 5 light sources, but says 3 is the minimum rule.
John is wearing a California NSS Convention t-shirt.
Danny Roew was the cameraman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Roew
The video ends with a conservation message by the Southern California
Grotto of the National Speleological Society.
I presume this video was entered in the professional category of the
NSS Video Salon. But I don't recall having ever seen it.
It is definitely worth watching at a grotto meeting, so I guess you will
have to buy the crappy DVD in order to get the video. Maybe
one of the vendors at ICS will have just the caving documentary for
sale ? Or
you can probably check it out from one of the grotto libraries ?
Also,
The DVD features behind the scenes look at how "The Cavern" was filmed,
including how they built the cave out of chicken-wire, plywood, paper mache
and foam. And how they filmed it in Hi-Def ( like we really need to see this
movie in more detail ? ) It took the film crew 23 days to make the
cave scenes
shown in the movie. You could see the frustration of
miscommunication between
the cameraman and the director.
I think the real cave entrance was in California. The stupid campfire scene
was shot at Corrigainville Park, California.
The wet passage in the cave was actually an above ground portable swimming
pool.
Here is an interesting note: The body of the roasted caver and the 1/2 body
of the surface crew were the real actors in make-up.
I did not watch the rest of the DVD extras, so somebody else can talk about
that.
David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
Ref:
Here is John's bio:
http://www.johncharleswoods.com/pages/bio.html
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What you need to do is compile a list of the stupidest quotes from these bad
movies.
Then use the quotes on cave trips –much more entertaining than watching the
movies!!!
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] DVD Review - The Cavern ( part 1 of review )
Hollywood makes many bad movies. I wish there was a caving Bollywood movie. Bad
Bollywood is much better than mediocre Hollywood.
T.
Jun 10, 2009 11:05:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
You all remember the movies, "The Cave" and "The Descent,"
but do you remember the one called, "The Cavern" ?
Why did Hollywood make 3 very crappy movies about
caving within a year of each other. ( If they had
combined their financial resources and made one movie,
it would have probably been watchable. )
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeVideoArt/Large/68/305968.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm745905408/tt0451262
I found the DVD of "The Cavern" at Half-Price Books. I don't
remember ever hearing about this movie, but it must have been
that it was rumored to be so bad, that I did not go see it.
The directors of this movie seemed to try harder to make it
more about caving than the other two. However, the audience
was never given an opportunity to connect with the cavers. The
cavers seem like a crew assembled for a Survivor TV show. I
didn't believe any caver on the group deserved to be on this
so-called important expedition, especially the trip leader.
The cave was supposedly in a remote area of Kazakhkstan, however,
there was no beautiful cinematography to make the audience appreciate
the landscape. The cave entrance and passage were not impressive at all.
The directors tried to make the audience feel sorry for the team as they
had lost a colleague on a previous trip to Peru. She had washed away
in a sump and was never seen again. I did not like the way they
played this part into the story.
There was one sex scene in the cave entrance, but it was meant to lead
to the horror plot and not to be erotic. This scene could have
been done completely
different like a love scene in "Love in the Time of Cholera," and it
could have played out
very well. Instead the horror part was cheezy and stupid. The
directors lost
an opportunity for the audience to bond with these 2 cavers.
The cavers tried to appear well organized. But any caver watching
it would see
a bunch of newbie thrillseekers. They immediately find a hole in
the floor of the
cave passage that is a pit leading to a lower level. They never
see on the cave
floor any sign of the cave being used by animals or some creature,
like footprints,
or bones. They all bop the pit in a matter of seconds, but it is
only about 30 meters
deep. I think the directors really lost credibility by this time
of the movie. I don't
know what kind of rappelling device the trip leader used. It was
larger than a Petzl Stop and was at the
face level of him. He squeezed it to make it descend like a Petzl.
( Some Hollywood gadget ? )
Everybody else appeared to use a rock-climbers tiny Figure-8. ( I
think most caver's would agree that this
type of Figure-8 is not proper vertical equipment for caving. )
Most of them were using cheap internal frame backpacks on their backs
to haul their
gear, and most of these packs appeared to be half-empty.
They all had 2 lights on their helmet. But in an effort to look
cool, they used both
lights at the same time, even while their batteries were nearly
depleted and they were
hopelessly trapped in a cave with a beast.
Immediately their cable-operated telephones did not work.
Immediately one of their
buddies was not in the room at the bottom of the pit. He seemed to
vanish from thin
air. They followed a large blood trail to him. His intestines
were hanging out
and he was gasping for air. The surface crewman was dissected by the
creature and thrown with the rope into the pit.
The rest of the movie was like the Blair Witch Project. They
eventually shot the
creature which they thought appeared to be a half-bear/half wolf, but
we didn't see
the creature then. It survived several gun shots in the cave only
to kill the shooter.
( How many cave trips carry a semi-automatic pistol into the cave ? )
They said
in Kazakhstan, it was necessary, so I will buy that.
So we are down to 3 cavers trapped in what appears to be a small cave with only
a few passages barely big enough to stoop walk. ( But how does the creature
get down there if there is no passage, and how does such a large creature move
so quietly in the cave and in the dark ).
Then 2 girls are left alone to fend for themselves with almost no
light. They
find a crawlway leading to sunlight. The audience thinks these 2 girls are
going to live.
This is when the movie goes from bad to just plain ignorant, and trashy.
The girls get caught, but for some reason unknown to the audience, they faint
and wake up in a room with a campfire and a door sealed by a large rock.
They are naked, but covered in a bear rug. They have no physical signs
of being kidnapped by a beast.
There is meat roasting on a skewer above the fire, and the girls suddenly
for no reason become savagely hungry and start eating the meat like they
have not eaten in weeks. They soon realize it was their trip leader friend,
and begin to vomit in a way that most of the audience wants to vomit.
They explore the room, and realize that some human occupies it and that
he was a child survivor of some sort of Russian plane crash back in the 80's.
The creature returns. He appears to be some sort of cave-man wearing
a cave-bear skull for a mask. He grunts and takes of his mask. He
studies the girls. He decides to spear one of them to a bloody death.
And then he apparently begins to rape the other one, as the movie
ends in her bloody covered face screaming.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2690292992/tt0451262
The worst movie ending I have ever seen.
Nothing about the creature was believable.
The movie audience will not learn anything positive about caving.
They will feel cavers are stupid for entering caves. They will
feel cavers are boring people with no lives.
Maybe the morale to the story was to tell someone where you
are going caving and to have a surface support group on your
expedition. But they still would have all been eaten by the
caveman.
Here is a web-review that seems to agree with me that the movie
sucked.
http://www.horror.com/php/article-1309-1.html
David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
Ref:
Here is a photo of the trip leader, shortly before he was roasted
on the skewer.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2742394112/tt0451262
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Cavern/70051025
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:37:56 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> What you need to do is compile a list of the stupidest quotes from
> these bad movies.
>
"The only way ou of this cave is down that hole."
Juno, The Descent.
Did you know a sequel is in the works (The Descent Part 2)!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1073105/
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I think the movie was "The Cave"; I recall every caver had a different
set-up. Some had bike helmets, some had lights on their chest like
Iron Man, and others had lights mounted on their arms. They
definitely used dynamic ropes, and belay devices that allowed them to
race each other to the bottom. So I can enjoy the movies more, can
someone with an impressive caving title contact Hollywood and offer
themselves as a caving consultant?
It's probably in the Yellowpages under "Hollywood"...
-B
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Lyndon Tiu<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:37:56 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
>> What you need to do is compile a list of the stupidest quotes from
>> these bad movies.
>>
>
> "The only way ou of this cave is down that hole."
> Juno, The Descent.
>
> Did you know a sequel is in the works (The Descent Part 2)!
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1073105/
>
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Here's a good quote:
"This is not caving, this is an ego-trip." -- Rebecca, The Descent
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:56:57 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> Some had bike helmets, some had lights on their chest like
> Iron Man, and others had lights mounted on their arms. They
> definitely used dynamic ropes, and belay devices that allowed them to
> race each other to the bottom.
Can someone here more experienced in caving than me tell me this:
Is it really OK and is it really common for cavers/cave divers to light up a
flare in a cave like they do in these movies?
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:56:57 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> I think the movie was "The Cave";
I think all cave movies have that same line.
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Only if they don't have a carbide light ;-)
Cheers,
Stefan
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Can someone here more experienced in caving than me tell me this:
Is it really OK and is it really common for cavers/cave divers to light
up a flare in a cave like they do in these movies?
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Flares make lots of smoke in caves. It is probably not good for the cave,
the cave life, or cavers. That said, I was up at the Birthday Passage in
Palmito once when someone lit a magnesium flare in the Hall of Giants.
Spectacular does not even begin to describe it. It lit up the entire cave!
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:10:31 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> ... when someone lit a magnesium flare in the Hall of Giants.
> Spectacular does not even begin to describe it. It lit up the entire
> cave!
But I betcha David has this awesome LED that can beat that.
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And many of those flares will burn when completely submerged in
water.... OOoooo I am definitely bringing flares next time- the
photography possibilities alone!
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Allan B. Cobb<[email protected]> wrote:
> Flares make lots of smoke in caves. It is probably not good for the cave,
> the cave life, or cavers. That said, I was up at the Birthday Passage in
> Palmito once when someone lit a magnesium flare in the Hall of Giants.
> Spectacular does not even begin to describe it. It lit up the entire cave!
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:16:00 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> And many of those flares will burn when completely submerged in
> water.... OOoooo I am definitely bringing flares next time- the
> photography possibilities alone!
Hmmm, interesting.
Why I havn't seen one tells me either no one has tried or the last one who
tried choked on the smoke and did not get a good shot or got a good shot of a
lot of smoke and no cave.
I wonder what the flare smoke contains? Carcinogens, CO2, CO, Ozone, etc ?
I'd hate to be in a cave when someone lights one of these up and we would choke
on the smoke.
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It has to be a really big cave --- Bustamante size or larger which is huge.
Otherwise it will really make people choke and hurt -- and will be dangerous
in many ways.
Spectacular when it happens
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:16:00 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> And many of those flares will burn when completely submerged in
> water.... OOoooo I am definitely bringing flares next time- the
> photography possibilities alone!
Hmmm, interesting.
Why I havn't seen one tells me either no one has tried or the last one who
tried choked on the smoke and did not get a good shot or got a good shot of
a lot of smoke and no cave.
I wonder what the flare smoke contains? Carcinogens, CO2, CO, Ozone, etc ?
I'd hate to be in a cave when someone lights one of these up and we would
choke on the smoke.
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Before flashbulbs appeared on the scene magnesium flares were the main (and
best) light source for cave photography. Long before my time, of course (I
started caving in 1975), but I've been on at least two trips where we used Md
flares for photos. As Alan said - it's pretty impressive!
Keith
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:16:00 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> And many of those flares will burn when completely submerged in
> water.... OOoooo I am definitely bringing flares next time- the
> photography possibilities alone!
Hmmm, interesting.
Why I havn't seen one tells me either no one has tried or the last one who
tried choked on the smoke and did not get a good shot or got a good shot of a
lot of smoke and no cave.
I wonder what the flare smoke contains? Carcinogens, CO2, CO, Ozone, etc ?
I'd hate to be in a cave when someone lights one of these up and we would choke
on the smoke.
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Damn Crackberry. "Md" should have read "Mn"...
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Before flashbulbs appeared on the scene magnesium flares were the main (and
best) light source for cave photography. Long before my time, of course (I
started caving in 1975), but I've been on at least two trips where we used Md
flares for photos. As Alan said - it's pretty impressive!
Keith
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:16:00 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> And many of those flares will burn when completely submerged in
> water.... OOoooo I am definitely bringing flares next time- the
> photography possibilities alone!
Hmmm, interesting.
Why I havn't seen one tells me either no one has tried or the last one who
tried choked on the smoke and did not get a good shot or got a good shot of a
lot of smoke and no cave.
I wonder what the flare smoke contains? Carcinogens, CO2, CO, Ozone, etc ?
I'd hate to be in a cave when someone lights one of these up and we would choke
on the smoke.
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:33:38 0000 [email protected] wrote:
> Damn Crackberry. "Md" should have read "Mn"...
Is it Manganese (Mn) or Magnesium (Mg)?
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