texascavers Digest 1 May 2009 16:21:33 -0000 Issue 751 Topics (messages 10604 through 10616):
Hangover Cure
10604 by: Minton, Mark
10605 by: George-Paul Richmann
10606 by: Stefan Creaser
10607 by: Fritz Holt
10608 by: Don Cooper
10609 by: Scott Nicholson
10610 by: J. LaRue Thomas
10612 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
Honeycreek trip May 8-10
10611 by: Kurt L. Menking
10613 by: Fritz Holt
10614 by: jranzau.gmail.com
10615 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
10616 by: Geary Schindel
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--- Begin Message ---Since cavers are known to partake of the occasional drink, you might be interested in this scientifically verified cure for a hangover: the bacon sandwich. <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/5118283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html> Mark Minton
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--- Begin Message ---1-2 liters of water with a multivitamin before going to bed helps. The problem is having the presence of mind to remember... Cheers! -GP On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Minton, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Since cavers are known to partake of the occasional drink, you might be > interested in this scientifically verified cure for a hangover: the bacon > sandwich. > <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/5118283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html> > > Mark Minton > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > -- George-Paul Richmann (513) 490-3100 [email protected]
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--- Begin Message ---Hmm, maybe we need to cure some hog bacon for the morning after at TCR this year? Anyone have any hog sides to donate? Stefan -----Original Message----- From: Minton, Mark [mailto:[email protected]] Since cavers are known to partake of the occasional drink, you might be interested in this scientifically verified cure for a hangover: the bacon sandwich. <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/511 8283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html> Mark Minton -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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--- Begin Message ---At this particular time I am not sure that anyone would want to be handling hogs. Fritz -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:12 PM To: Minton, Mark; txcaver Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Hangover Cure Hmm, maybe we need to cure some hog bacon for the morning after at TCR this year? Anyone have any hog sides to donate? Stefan -----Original Message----- From: Minton, Mark [mailto:[email protected]] Since cavers are known to partake of the occasional drink, you might be interested in this scientifically verified cure for a hangover: the bacon sandwich. <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/511 8283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html> Mark Minton -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
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--- Begin Message ---H1N1 is absolutely NOT from eating pork. It should probably not even be called Swine Flu. -WaVy On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Fritz Holt <[email protected]>wrote: > At this particular time I am not sure that anyone would want to be handling > hogs. > Fritz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:12 PM > To: Minton, Mark; txcaver > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Hangover Cure > > Hmm, maybe we need to cure some hog bacon for the morning after at TCR this > year? Anyone have any hog sides to donate? > > Stefan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Minton, Mark [mailto:[email protected]] > > Since cavers are known to partake of the occasional drink, you might > be interested in this scientifically verified cure for a hangover: > the bacon sandwich. > <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/511 > 8283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/511%0A8283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html> > > > > Mark Minton > > > -- > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the > information in any medium. Thank you. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
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--- Begin Message ---One Israeli statesperson wanted to rename it The Mexican Flu........ Scott Nicholson, Director KW Commercial 512-947-2688 Discovery Realty Group www.DiscoveryAustin.com www.KWCommercial.com ________________________________ From: Don Cooper <[email protected]> To: Fritz Holt <[email protected]> Cc: Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>; "Minton, Mark" <[email protected]>; txcaver <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:21:57 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Hangover Cure H1N1 is absolutely NOT from eating pork. It should probably not even be called Swine Flu. -WaVy On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote: At this particular time I am not sure that anyone would want to be handling hogs. Fritz -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:12 PM To: Minton, Mark; txcaver Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Hangover Cure Hmm, maybe we need to cure some hog bacon for the morning after at TCR this year? Anyone have any hog sides to donate? Stefan -----Original Message----- From: Minton, Mark [mailto:[email protected]] Since cavers are known to partake of the occasional drink, you might be interested in this scientifically verified cure for a hangover: the bacon sandwich. <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/511 8283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html> Mark Minton -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
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--- Begin Message ---It starts in swine and jumps to humans, hence the name. But H1N1 is more specific and disparages neither swine nor Mexico. Jacqui (This email brought to you by the letters "H" and "N," neither of which did anything to deserve this). ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Cooper To: Fritz Holt Cc: Stefan Creaser ; Minton, Mark ; txcaver Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Hangover Cure H1N1 is absolutely NOT from eating pork. It should probably not even be called Swine Flu. -WaVy
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--- Begin Message ---Here's the whole article.As the realities of the spread of influenza from hog to human have come to light, and questions are raised about the integrity of agricultural practices at Smithfield Foods in Mexico and other factory farms throughout the world, the ultra-Orthodox Israeli Deputy Health Minister seems to be foolishly fixated on the fact that Jews should not eat pork.
After two potential cases of swine flu were discovered in Israel, and two Israelis who had just returned from Mexico with flu-like symptoms were quarantined, the Deputy Health Minister, Yakov Litzman, took the next logical step: he renamed the virus. "We will call it Mexican flu. We won't call it swine flu," Litzman declared. He chose to identify the virus with its alleged country of origin instead of pigs because pigs are not religiously permissible to eat, reports the Associated Press.
The fact that swine flu is a respiratory virus and that the consumption of pork is not linked to transmission of the flu is beside the point for the Health Ministry. Pork is a negative Jewish symbol, and no matter the form it takes, whether juicy pork chop or deadly virus, certain ultra-Orthodox leaders don't even want to hear of it in their country.
Litzman's renaming of the new flu virus would just seem out of place and random if it had been in any other country, but in Israel--where pigs are raised on Arab lands and pork shops are firebombed out of certain neighborhoods--pork is highly politicized. Even the word for "pork" in Hebrew, chazir, is so reviled that it goes by many euphemisms: "white meat," "other meat," and "white steak."
Apparently the name for the potentially devastating pandemic that stems from what seems to be a "a nasty mash-up of swine, avian, and human viruses," according to Tom Philpott of Grist, is too offensive to certain religious Israeli ears.
The Health Ministry's re-branding effort is the latest in a religious assault on pork consumption in the Holy Land. The raising and selling of pork was largely outlawed in 1962, though committed secularists and pork-eaters exploited the legal loopholes to indulge in the 'forbidden' flesh. An underground pork economy developed, and as the rift between secular and religious widened in Israeli society over the years, pork consumption slowly grew. Religious leaders in the Knesset in the past thirty years have put forth various bills to outright ban the pork trade, to no avail.
The influx of about one million immigrants from the former Soviet Union during the 1990s boosted the market for pig meat. The pork trade has since boomed. It is still mostly illegal to raise pigs in Israel except in certain Christian Arab zones, though over thirty industrial farms are in operation and new pork restaurants and treyf-selling stores have continued to sprout. The new Israeli pork culture has frustrated many ultra-Orthodox Israelis who ignore the existence of the industrial pig operations and instead choose to contest the shops that sell the white meat, and those who eat of it.
As a result of the government's failure to officially recognize the legitimacy of many of the country's pig farms, industrial hog farming goes highly unregulated. According to a source at one factory farm in the Israel's Negev, the desert swine operation takes its cues from European regulators, complying with stringent regulations out of their farm's particular commitment to quality. Most producers aren't nearly as responsible.
Completely unrelated to eating pork though the flu might be, a swine pandemic by any other name is still porcine in origin. By refusing to recognize the source of the problem and regulate irresponsible farm practices in Israel, future swine viruses could emerge from Israel, and could wind up bearing an Israeli moniker--a much more humiliating prospect
Apr 30, 2009 06:27:13 PM, [email protected] wrote:One Israeli statesperson wanted to rename it The Mexican Flu........Scott Nicholson, Director
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Discovery Realty Group
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From: Don Cooper <[email protected]>
To: Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
Cc: Stefan Creaser <[email protected]>; "Minton, Mark" <[email protected]>; txcaver <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:21:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Hangover Cure
H1N1 is absolutely NOT from eating pork. It should probably not even be called Swine Flu.
-WaVy
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:
At this particular time I am not sure that anyone would want to be handling hogs.
Fritz
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From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:12 PM
To: Minton, Mark; txcaver
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Hangover Cure
Hmm, maybe we need to cure some hog bacon for the morning after at TCR this year? Anyone have any hog sides to donate?
Stefan
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From: Minton, Mark [mailto:[email protected]]
Since cavers are known to partake of the occasional drink, you might be interested in this scientifically verified cure for a hangover:
the bacon sandwich.
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/511
8283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html>
Mark Minton
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--- Begin Message ---For those who haven't heard there is a Honeycreek work weekend scheduled for the weekend of May 8-10. We will be camping at the spring beginning Friday evening. The focus for the weekend will be taking down the cables, and some old fencing near the spring entrance. The owner also would like us to pile up the debris collected along the fences so it can be burned when the burn ban is lifted. If we are able to burn, we'll have one heck of a bon-fire. If there are extra people available I'm sure there are other areas that need brush cutting. I'd say bring gloves, chain saws (if you have one), and loppers. Some extra tow chain would be nice as well since we'll be using multiple tractors to move the cables, and large tree trunks that are against the cables. Since this is primarily a work weekend, I'd say all are welcome (even novices). Most of Saturday will be reserved for the work projects, but we'll shut down by 4pm or earlier, and those who want to go in the cave with appropriate team leaders will be turned loose. There have been several requests for through trips, QA trips, etc. But don't show up late Saturday afternoon so you miss all the work, and expect to go caving. Saturday evening, and Sunday morning will also be available for trip leader training for ICS team leaders. Bill and I, and possibly others will be leading several groups Saturday evening and probably Sunday morning to different areas from the shaft entrance, since all ICS trips will use only the shaft entrance. We need about 25-30 cavers to help lead trips to HC during the ICS convention. ICS trips to HC are scheduled for July 19,22,23,25. This is your chance to meet new cavers, make new friends, and share one of Texas' best and its longest cave with others from all over the nation and world. Contact Bill Steele or Myself if you want to help lead ICS trips to Honeycreek. Kurt
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--- Begin Message ---KEEP A LOOKOUT FOR WESTERN DIAMONDBACKS IN THIS AREA. ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AT TCR I SAW A THREE FOOTER CROSS THE STRAIGHT DIRT ROAD A LITTLE BEFORE IT SLOPED OFF TOWARD THE SPRING. OF COURSE, THEY CAN BE ANYWHERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS. FRITZ ________________________________ From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip May 8-10 For those who haven't heard there is a Honeycreek work weekend scheduled for the weekend of May 8-10. We will be camping at the spring beginning Friday evening. The focus for the weekend will be taking down the cables, and some old fencing near the spring entrance. The owner also would like us to pile up the debris collected along the fences so it can be burned when the burn ban is lifted. If we are able to burn, we'll have one heck of a bon-fire. If there are extra people available I'm sure there are other areas that need brush cutting. I'd say bring gloves, chain saws (if you have one), and loppers. Some extra tow chain would be nice as well since we'll be using multiple tractors to move the cables, and large tree trunks that are against the cables. Since this is primarily a work weekend, I'd say all are welcome (even novices). Most of Saturday will be reserved for the work projects, but we'll shut down by 4pm or earlier, and those who want to go in the cave with appropriate team leaders will be turned loose. There have been several requests for through trips, QA trips, etc. But don't show up late Saturday afternoon so you miss all the work, and expect to go caving. Saturday evening, and Sunday morning will also be available for trip leader training for ICS team leaders. Bill and I, and possibly others will be leading several groups Saturday evening and probably Sunday morning to different areas from the shaft entrance, since all ICS trips will use only the shaft entrance. We need about 25-30 cavers to help lead trips to HC during the ICS convention. ICS trips to HC are scheduled for July 19,22,23,25. This is your chance to meet new cavers, make new friends, and share one of Texas' best and its longest cave with others from all over the nation and world. Contact Bill Steele or Myself if you want to help lead ICS trips to Honeycreek. Kurt
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--- Begin Message ---Why are you screaming? Joe On May 1, 2009 10:30am, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote:KEEP A LOOKOUT FOR WESTERN DIAMONDBACKS IN THIS AREA. ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AT TCR I SAW A THREE FOOTER CROSS THE STRAIGHT DIRT ROAD ALITTLE BEFORE IT SLOPED OFF TOWARD THE SPRING. OF COURSE, THEY CAN BE ANYWHEREIN CENTRAL TEXAS.FRITZFrom: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:[email protected]]Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip May 8-10For those who haven't heard there is a Honeycreek work weekend scheduled for the weekend of May 8-10. We will be camping at the spring beginning Friday evening.The focus for theweekend will be taking down the cables, and some old fencing near the springentrance. The owner also would like us to pile up the debris collected along the fences so it can be burned when the burn ban is lifted. If we are able to burn, we'll have one heck of a bon-fire. If there are extra people available I'm sure there are other areas that need brush cutting. I'd say bring gloves, chain saws (if you have one), and loppers. Someextra tow chain would be nice as well since we'll be using multiple tractors tomove the cables, and large tree trunks that are against the cables.Since this is primarily a work weekend, I'd say all are welcome (even novices). Most ofSaturday will be reserved for the work projects, but we'll shut down by 4pm or earlier, and those who want to go in the cave with appropriate team leaders willbe turned loose. There have been several requests for through trips, QA trips, etc. But don't show up late Saturday afternoon so you miss all the work, and expect to go caving.Saturday evening, andSunday morning will also be available for trip leader training for ICS teamleaders. Bill and I, and possibly others will be leading several groupsSaturday evening and probably Sunday morning to different areas from the shaftentrance, since all ICS trips will use only the shaft entrance.We need about 25-30 cavers to help lead trips to HC during the ICS convention. ICS trips to HC are scheduled for July 19,22,23,25. This is your chance to meet newcavers, make new friends, and share one of Texas' best and its longest cave withothers from all over the nation and world. Contact Bill Steele or Myself if you want to help lead ICS trips to Honeycreek.Kurt
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--- Begin Message ---CAUSE HE JUST SAW A SNAKE WITH SWINE FLU! (Sorry, I couldn't help myself). Mark ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Honeycreek trip May 8-10 Why are you screaming? Joe On May 1, 2009 10:30am, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote: > > KEEP A LOOKOUT FOR WESTERN DIAMONDBACKS IN THIS AREA. ABOUT > THREE YEARS AGO AT TCR I SAW A THREE FOOTER CROSS THE STRAIGHT DIRT ROAD A > LITTLE BEFORE IT SLOPED OFF TOWARD THE SPRING. OF COURSE, THEY CAN BE > ANYWHERE > IN CENTRAL TEXAS. > > FRITZ > > > > > From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:54 AM > To: > [email protected] > Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip May > 8-10 > > > > > > > > For those who haven't > heard there is a Honeycreek work weekend scheduled for the weekend of May > 8-10. We will be camping at the spring beginning Friday > evening. > > > > The focus for the > weekend will be taking down the cables, and some old fencing near the spring > entrance. The owner also would like us to pile up the debris collected > along the fences so it can be burned when the burn ban is lifted. If we > are able to burn, we'll have one heck of a bon-fire. If there are extra > people available I'm sure there are other areas that need brush cutting. > I'd say bring gloves, chain saws (if you have one), and loppers. Some > extra tow chain would be nice as well since we'll be using multiple tractors > to > move the cables, and large tree trunks that are against the > cables. > > > > Since this is > primarily a work weekend, I'd say all are welcome (even novices). Most of > Saturday will be reserved for the work projects, but we'll shut down by 4pm > or > earlier, and those who want to go in the cave with appropriate team leaders > will > be turned loose. There have been several requests for through trips, QA > trips, etc. But don't show up late Saturday afternoon so you miss all the > work, and expect to go caving. > > > > Saturday evening, and > Sunday morning will also be available for trip leader training for ICS team > leaders. Bill and I, and possibly others will be leading several groups > Saturday evening and probably Sunday morning to different areas from the > shaft > entrance, since all ICS trips will use only the shaft > entrance. > > > > We need about 25-30 > cavers to help lead trips to HC during the ICS convention. ICS trips to HC > are scheduled for July 19,22,23,25. This is your chance to meet new > cavers, make new friends, and share one of Texas' best and its longest cave > with > others from all over the nation and world. Contact Bill Steele or Myself > if you want to help lead ICS trips to Honeycreek. > > > > Kurt > >
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--- Begin Message ---Well, caps can also be used to emphases a point and I think Fritz was saying is that you need to careful about snakes in the area. Now, Bob C. and Kurt M. have also warned folks that there are cottonmouths around Honey Creek. So a couple of years ago, I was walking around down there changing out some samplers and saw two cottonmouths. Now, as an amateur snake guy, I realize that many folks think that any snake near the water is a cottonmouth but Bob and Kurt know snakes and I think I'm pretty good with them also. So, not only did I think they were cottonmouths, I took a picture of one of them and it keyed out in the snakes of texas book and yes, it was a cottonmouth. Didn't see any diamondbacks but I'm sure they're around. So, be careful in the high grass and don't put your hands anywhere you can't inspect first and don't walk around after dark without a light. Remember that most snakebites involve the three T - tequila, testosterone, and tattoos. Two out of three is probably close enough to warrant a bite from a snake. Geary From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Honeycreek trip May 8-10 Why are you screaming? Joe On May 1, 2009 10:30am, Fritz Holt <[email protected]> wrote: > > KEEP A LOOKOUT FOR WESTERN DIAMONDBACKS IN THIS AREA. ABOUT > THREE YEARS AGO AT TCR I SAW A THREE FOOTER CROSS THE STRAIGHT DIRT ROAD A > LITTLE BEFORE IT SLOPED OFF TOWARD THE SPRING. OF COURSE, THEY CAN BE ANYWHERE > IN CENTRAL TEXAS. > > FRITZ > > > > > From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:54 AM > To: > [email protected] > Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip May > 8-10 > > > > > > > > For those who haven't > heard there is a Honeycreek work weekend scheduled for the weekend of May > 8-10. We will be camping at the spring beginning Friday > evening. > > > > The focus for the > weekend will be taking down the cables, and some old fencing near the spring > entrance. The owner also would like us to pile up the debris collected > along the fences so it can be burned when the burn ban is lifted. If we > are able to burn, we'll have one heck of a bon-fire. If there are extra > people available I'm sure there are other areas that need brush cutting. > I'd say bring gloves, chain saws (if you have one), and loppers. Some > extra tow chain would be nice as well since we'll be using multiple tractors to > move the cables, and large tree trunks that are against the > cables. > > > > Since this is > primarily a work weekend, I'd say all are welcome (even novices). Most of > Saturday will be reserved for the work projects, but we'll shut down by 4pm or > earlier, and those who want to go in the cave with appropriate team leaders will > be turned loose. There have been several requests for through trips, QA > trips, etc. But don't show up late Saturday afternoon so you miss all the > work, and expect to go caving. > > > > Saturday evening, and > Sunday morning will also be available for trip leader training for ICS team > leaders. Bill and I, and possibly others will be leading several groups > Saturday evening and probably Sunday morning to different areas from the shaft > entrance, since all ICS trips will use only the shaft > entrance. > > > > We need about 25-30 > cavers to help lead trips to HC during the ICS convention. ICS trips to HC > are scheduled for July 19,22,23,25. This is your chance to meet new > cavers, make new friends, and share one of Texas' best and its longest cave with > others from all over the nation and world. Contact Bill Steele or Myself > if you want to help lead ICS trips to Honeycreek. > > > > Kurt > >
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