Oh GOd lets not start blowing this whole thihng out of proportion. Your
contaminating the air I breathe every time you fart. And I can tell you this
email stinks.
No body has said they agreed to posting locations, and no one has said
anything about thinking it was ok to break formations in a cave. If you think
thats vandalizing then you have obviously never discovered a cave. I have done
a lot more than scraping of sediments in a cave. How do you think AIrmans was
even found... the scraping of about 200cuft of sediments.
Will the next post deamonize these guys further by claiming they are
Al-Qaida.... maybe one of them is Bin Laden.
So for all to know... Posting Locations BAD. Dont scrape the sediment.. Dont
feed the bears. And Don't eat yellow snow.
Get it? Got it! Good!
SS
To: [email protected]: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:30:47 -0500From:
[email protected]: Re: [Texascavers] Follow up to Joe Zamecki's You
Tube Videos
I have been watching the discussion of this subject and waiting for someone
else to mention the other problem with the video, which was what I picked up
before even thinking about the disclosure of the location of Airman's Cave.
In the 3rd video, when they are leaving the cave, there is a segment showing
how easily the sediment and altered bedrock could be scraped away from the wall
of the cave. To me, this perpetuates the concept that it is OK to vandalize
caves. Had this been the intentional breaking of speleothems, the caving
public would have been outraged, so it surprises me that nobody else has
commented on this type of video-taped vandalism. Altered bedrock and cave
sediments are just as scientifically valuable as speleothems.
There is a reason we don't shoot video and distribute it to the general public
when "Cave Cholesterol" must be removed from a passage to continue pushing a
survey lead. When surveying and pushing leads, cave modification is generally
accepted because the scientific value of further exploration is believed to be
offset by the amount of impact done on the cave. However, destroying wall rock
simply to show it on a video has no real gain and is just as bad as other types
of cave vandalism. especially when it is distributed to the general public.
Just a thought from someone who has recently returned to Texas.
Kevin Stafford
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:50:22 -0500 "Don Cooper" <[email protected]> writes:
Responding perhaps from the negative vibes generated by publicizing Airman's
location, Mr. Z. has apparently pulled his infamous video's from the public
domain. From his YouTube account:I recently posted four videos, some of my
best work yet, about Airmen's Cave. I have decided to make those videos private
now, because of the irrational demands of a handful of DOUCHES in the "Caving
Community." That's right, douches. Every group has 'em. Again, just a handful,
in this case.If you'd really like to know exactly how to find Airmen's Cave,
send me a personal message and I'll consider it.Overall, I feel it's important
for everyone to be able to self-censor, as I have chosen to do in this case.
It's a valuable ability that not enough people have. To my video fans, sorry
folks. More great videos are on the way though. :o)Proud to be a DOUCHE this
time --WaV(In French that means "Shower")
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