texascavers Digest 28 Sep 2008 22:18:01 -0000 Issue 618
Topics (messages 9053 through 9059):
Paging Travis Scott
9053 by: Sandi Calhoun
TCMA fund raising efforts at TCR
9054 by: Diana Tomchick
Re: TCMA Garage Sale
9055 by: Charles Goldsmith
Re: Airman's Cave Video
9056 by: timstich.excite.com
navel lint picking dweebs? re graffiti
9057 by: Nancy Weaver
Weird Bat News
9058 by: Lee H. Skinner
hp51650c Ink Cartridges Free to good home
9059 by: Bill Bentley
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Would Travis Scott please contact me off list.
Thanks!
Sandi
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Could someone please re-send the announcement about the TCMA fund
raising efforts at TCR? I seem to have misplaced my copy.
Thanks!
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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From: Linda Palit <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] TCMA Garage Sale
To: [email protected]
Cc: Don Arburn <[email protected]>
TCR is fast approaching! You have two weekends to find all those
items you want to donate to TCMA for our garage sale! Get rid of that
extra cave and camping gear, or those great collectibles. If you
bring an item of significant value, please tag it with a minimum
price. Otherwise you can put the price tags on items or we will price
them at TCR.
If you are willing to spend some time staffing the table for the
garage sale or gathering garage sale items from your grotto or area,
Please send Don Arburn and Linda Palit your name and proceed!
Many thanks,
Linda
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Oh, this discussion is rich in irony. Ha ha ha.
So hypothetically, what would be the most reckless way to endanger cave access
and control? Well, it's not really hypothetical. It seems to me the absolute
worst thing to do would be to maliciously bury rival cavers inside a cave not
once, but twice. That might injure or actually kill the cavers thus buried, and
that would certainly bring about a pretty nasty scandal. The public in general
would be fairly shocked at the weird motivations of the actor(s) committing the
burial that no layman would be able to fully explain. So the cave in question
would be closed and sealed forever.
Now, who would go and do such a thing?
-Tim
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Airman's Cave Videos:
Caves should be part of public knowledge. The public cannot be
expected to protect or value caves if they don't know they exist.
Cavers are a force for the good in protecting the karst, and without
public awareness of caves, in the future there will be no cavers.
This will be a loss not only for the potential cavers who will live a
less fulfilled life, but also for the caves that suffer without the
support form their friends. But not all types of publicity are
helpful. Good publicity provides information and directs people to
organized caving, bad publicity presents the cave as a challenge and
says come and conquer, if you can. Unfortunately, the Airman's
videos tend to be more of the second type. They do provide some
information on safe caving, but there is no mention of organized
caving, and the cave is presented essentially as a physical
challenge. This type of publicity tends to attract extreme sport
thrill seekers. The here-is-where-the-cave-is focus of the video
undercuts the message to go with someone who knows the cave. The
producers of the Airman's video might intend to appeal only to the
best, but they have essentially issued a challenge to everyone. To
put this in perspective, think of what the video would be like if the
producers actually owned the cave. And, the City of Austin does own
the cave, and the people in charge do worry about abuse of the cave.
The recent Airman's video will increase their desire to have positive
control over who visits their cave.
The cost of cave "rescues" has long been an item for discussion,
especially after newspaper reports of a rescue. While much of the
discussion is about how one does the accounting, cave rescues
actually are expensive. In the last Airman's Cave "Rescue" there
were at least ten city employees who worked an additional day of
overtime. These were the most necessary and cave-worthy of the city
employees who could not be replaced when their shift was over. Not
to mention the use of equipment and supplies. And, if someone were
to say that it did not cost the city anything to fight a fire because
the fireman would have been paid even if there weren't a fire, most
people would think this was not productive thinking. If fires are
not considered cost fee, neither should cave rescues. But, the real
problem is that our society is so risk adverse that any problem, as
lost in a cave, is apt to be met with drastic solutions -- close up
those dangerous caves. Cavers know better, but private owners and
the city are likely to take the easy way to solve the "problem" of
caves.
Bill Russell
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William Hart Russell
4806 Red River Street
Austin, TX 78751
H: 512-453-4774 (messages)
CELL: 512-940-8336
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sleeze - enjoyed this post as much as I always do. Nice to meet a
sharp pin amongst the balloons of self importance . . .
Now I hate spray paint
however must take issue on this. The finest well crafted graffiti I
have seen in years are on the sides of boxcars, amazing intricate
enormous works of art, done (just as 30.000+ years ago) in the dark,
in a hurry and under pressure of detection and punishment. The best
of their kind - and that is a great many - maintain a purity of line
and creativity even under those pressures. They also joyously
express their culture's values whilst utilizing the substratum in
delightful ways. They do in fact, exactly what their greatly valued
graffitti ancestors did - create subline expressions of art using the
themes, materials and surfaces available to them.
next time you are stopped at a train crossing take the time to be
thrilled by the art.
nw
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This is weird:
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-odd/20080927/ODD.Bat.Brew/
Lee Skinner
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HP 50 Ink Jet Print Cartridge 4 each
Magenta
HP 50 Ink Jet Print Cartridge 4 each
Yellow
HP 50 Ink Jet Print Cartridge 4 each
Cyan
Anyone have a need for these?
I have several free to give away
I can bring to the TCR
Bill
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