Bill-

My understanding with dating speleothems is that they are matching
curves of U-Th isotopic ratios (my guess would be that they are using
ICP-MS analysis for everything these days).  It's been a few years,
but my experience seeing one of my grad school friends trying to match
deepwater coral U-Th records would lead me to believe there is a lot
of uncertainty with speleothem dating.  Trying to determine where your
record gaps are must be a really tricky exercise even with the
increased resolution offered by ICP-MS - are there worthwhile results
coming out of the research these days?  Any papers out lately that you
recommend reading?  I'm not really in touch with dating/paleoclimate
literature these days.

Simon

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> From: Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:27:42 -0600
> Subject: speleothem dating
> When scientists are trying to date the layers in an entire stalagmite,
> they take samples from bottom to top, so coring in from the side not a
> practical alternative. They pretty much have to saw the thing in half
> lengthwise to know they are sampling down the middle, in chronological
> order. If one just wanted to date a single sample, say from the bottom
> to date something it is growing on, then a core might work.
>      Speleothem dating, and subsequent stable-isotope analysis of the
> dated layers, is a big thing. Starting maybe twenty-five years ago,
> Science and Nature magazines both became suckers for this sort of
> thing as a paleoclimate study, so of course lots of people jumped on
> the bandwagon. There's been an awful lot of awful garbage published in
> the area, even in good journals. Initially, radioisotope dating was
> done by alpha counting, very imprecise when samples are minuscule.
> I've seen papers proudly displaying the dates from various layers in a
> stalagmite that had error bars so large there seemed a good chance
> that the thing had grown from the top down. The group at Macmaster
> University in Canada was a pioneer in that sort of dating. They
> managed to date enough speleothems from western Canada to show that
> speleothems don't grow during ice ages (surprise!). That is, they
> showed it by making a histogram of dates without taking into account
> the error bars, and then helpfully adding to the figure the already
> known dates of the ice ages.
>      More recently, technology has improved, mainly through
> accelerator mass spectroscopy, to the point where scientists are able
> to get data that actually look pretty real. Still, as far as I've been
> able to see, nothing has come out of speleothem paleoclimate studies
> that wasn't already known or easily conjectured from other sources.
> (One wonders how many studies that _didn't_ confirm accepted wisdom
> didn't get published.) True, speleothems give a local picture, unlike
> ice cores or seafloor cores, but that is actually the problem. The
> growth of a single speleothem over time is subject to all sorts of
> purely local (like one acre) geological effects having nothing to do
> with climate. One groundwater path might clog up and another open,
> changing the ratio of stormwater drips to baseflow drips on the same
> formation, for example. Scientists are way too quick to overinterpret
> data they get from a single stalagmite. One paper I saw had data from
> three stalagmites and claimed that they showed some correlation with
> something or other (probably an ice age). Well, to my eye, two of the
> three did. But if one regards those three stalagmites as a random
> sample of a larger collection, that amounts to something like 2 +/- 1
> out of 3. Big whoop! The only exception to this problem I can think of
> is a study on the underwater mammalary crusts in Devil's Hole, Nevada.
> There the deposit really was sampling regional groundwater, not just a
> drip.
>      It is true that in regions remote from ice caps or stable ocean
> floor deposits, speleothems in principle could be one of the few
> sources of paleoclimate data, if the study is done right. But even in
> such cases, people publish unremarkable findings like it was cooler in
> Texas during an ice age.
>     Oh, well. Professors have to suppport their graduate students
> somehow. -- Bill Mixon
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