RD, I'm not trying to be argumentative with all of this, I see a value
and maybe the TSA doesn't properly educate potential members about
what they do.  Could they do better, sure!

I have never made a meeting, but I do try to read the meetings notes
and such, that's where I knew all of this information from:
http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html

The TSA is sitting on a nice tidy sum of cash, they also spend a lot,
mainly postage on the newsletter.

talk to ya later
Charles

On 1/16/08, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote:
> The TSA does have funds for land/cave purchase, its invested
> currently.  I don't know if it was approved, but I do know a grant was
> put forth towards the TSA for $1200 to help improve Honey Creek
> entrance.  The next meeting for TSA will be at CBSP I think, that
> alone will support that project, driving people there.
>
> I'm not an active member of TSA, but I have been a member for a couple
> of years and these are the types of things that I've seen happening
> and it's why I'm a member.
>
> To each his own.
>
> On 1/16/08, RD Milhollin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Each grotto has (or should have) a newsletter.
> > The projects are the result of individual initiative and followup, and could
> > be done without the help of any organization.
> > I am not aware of the TSA purchasing land/caves. I know the TCMA and TCC do,
> > and I support both of those organizations.
> > Honey Creek, CBSP: see projects above.
> > TSS is a private corporation, as far as I know. Please correct me if I am
> > mistaken.
> > TCR is a stand-alone affair/organization/happening.
> >
> > The Spring Convention is a worthy endeavor, certainly worthy of support, but
> > not $20-30 per year from people who might not even be able to make it there.
> >
> > I don't see that the TSA actually "does a lot". You haven't yet convinced
> > me.
> >
> > FWIW I am not a TSA member, I once was but chose not to renew several years
> > ago. I would consider rejoining and becoming involved if I could convince
> > myself that it served a purpose not covered either by individuals who choose
> > to take on tasks for the loive of it, or by other caving organizations; and
> > if I could feel that the dues justified the returns.
> >
> > It doesn't count but my vote would be to have an electronic newsletter
> > available to those who don't want paper, and for a considerable break in the
> > dues, as was mentioned in a previous post.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:48 PM
> > To: RD Milhollin
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
> >
> >
> > I'll chime in here, as a TSA member and what I see coming out of this
> > organization.  Aside from the obvious, the newsletter, the TSA also
> > has several projects that are on-going.  Land purchase, helping with
> > Honey Creek, CBSP, TSS, TCR/Spring Convention and others.
> >
> > I'm sure that I didn't get nearly all of the things, but from what
> > I've seen, the TSA does a lot and could do more with extra funding,
> > saving cash on doing bulk mails.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On 1/16/08, RD Milhollin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm, I can't seem to get this to post righ... let me try this message for
> > > the third time:
> > >
> > > Fritz, for the sake of good natured argument, please enumerate said
> > benefits
> > > and the value you place on those.
> > >
> >
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