http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=30.89389&lon=-102.32333&datum=NAD27&s=24&size=l
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=30.89389&lon=-102.32333&datum=NAD27&s=50&size=l This is another one, but it is not labeled: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=30.54889&lon=-103.46556&datum=NAD27&s=50&size=l It's called Squaws Teat and is in Brewster county. Mike Gill Ediger wrote: > At 03:14 AM 9/15/2005, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >My geology professor mentioned on a field trip that there are several > >geological features out west with names like "Molly's Nipple." Which > >raises the question: What will happen when they figure out what "Grand > >Teton" means? > > Which brings up a thought I've been wanting to comment on since this thread > began. I can't from my present position prove any of this, but it is > embedded in my memory as absolute fact. > > Back in about 1954 we took a family trip from Sinton to Sierra Blanca. > Somewhere along the way was a road sign (provided by the highway > department, as they do today for such places as "Mule Ear Peaks") which > said "Squaw Tit Peak." I'll swear we have a picture of the sign in one of > our family photo albums, ostensibly taken by my mamma. It was somewhere in > West Texas. There is a likely candidate near--I think--Bakersfield, but I > recall the one we saw in the '50s as being farther from the road. At any > rate, it was so obvious that it didn't really need a sign. Everybody who > saw it immediately had the same idea and got the point no matter how > conservative they wanted to pretend they were. > > When I got into college and was majoring in geography I had occasion to > look at some OLD topo sheets (like from the '20s or '30s) and there on one > was the name "Squaw Tit Peak"--bigger'n Dixie. (I think I also found the > same name on some of the THD published county maps.) Some years later, > checking a newer topo sheet of the same area I found it had been changed to > "Squaw Teat Peak". Somebody was beginning to develop a bit of > over-sensitivity, but hadn't yet morphed into the full fledged > embarrassment of political correctness ("squaw" hadn't then become an > issue). Some years later still I looked for the name in a Texas road atlas > which had as base-maps the USGS Topos and I couldn't find any reference to > the name at all. > > As a geographer and cartographer (and locomotive engineer) I find the > expunging of (potentially) offensive historic names from maps (actually) > offensive. It's fine if they want to change or add a name because a > physical change has taken place: Smith bought the "Old Jones place" and > subdivided it into "Mountain View Estates". But to arbitrarily change names > on account of a supposition of someone's over-sensitivity is a bit > unprofessional. A true professional geographer probably wouldn't do it--the > confusion and difficulties it creates with research (of all kinds) far > outweighs the personal satisfaction some pat-himself-on-the-back do-gooder > gets from screwing up a perfectly good historic place name. There's not one > person in 10,000 whose going to look at Squaw Tit Peak and not think, "Ah, > look at that--Squaw Tit Peak" or something similar. So, why not just leave > things as they were? It adds richness to our history and our culture--and a > bit of amusement. Discussions about correctness or incorrectness of such a > name should be both private and educational--they serve as a catalyst to > conversation and social change, whereas expunging such names > (inappropriately) satisfies a few, confuses a great many, and does no one > at all any beneficial service. Again, anybody who looks at the place name > "Negro Mountain" (which is a real place in the Appalachians) is going to > immediately (like immediately) think, "Ah, look, they've changed the name > of this place in order to be politically correct." Nobody is being fooled > by these name changes--only hampered, in more ways than one. (It turns out, > by the way, that Negro Mountain was always Negro Mountain. Nobody ever had > to change it's name for political correctness or any other reason. It's the > trend to do so that causes the confusion.) > > This trend of political correctness extends far beyond racial interests as > has already been alluded to by others. All-in-all, political correctness is > exactly the opposite--it is incorrect! It is an immature (hiding your head > in the sand) approach to what should actually be a matter of public > attention. You'll get more educational mileage out of it by keeping it in > the open--and you might just get some beneficial tolerance mileage out of > it as well. Political correctness is not correct; it is a sham. Political > correctness--the idea and the activity, in and of itself--is a despicable > pursuit, which should be below the dignity of intelligent people. Anybody > who can't see through it is not paying attention. It is trendy and > simple-minded and therefore attracts a lot of people with no desire to > think about what they are thinking about--or not thinking about. There are > better and much more mature ways of dealing with social concerns than > sweeping them under the rug, which is bound to create more problems further > down the line. And changing or removing historical place names from maps is > doing only a very small percentage of the world (most people who care will > never in their lives look at a topo sheet) a supposed favor while placing > an extreme burden on those who actually need to use those maps productively. > > We're taking suggestions for a new name for the Grand Tetons. Better yet, > we're looking for verbal descriptions of the images the name brings up. > Thank you for sharing. > --Ediger > > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to mailto:[email protected] > with the following message--unsubscribe cavetex. 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