I believe the root of this behavior is to ultimately protect the rights of the private landowners, which typically do not wish to have the locations of caves on their property become public knowledge. Say what you will about other reasons that you think/believe/know are the causes of the secrecy, there is still a problem with releasing cave locations to the general public. I do not wish to get into an argument about whether “fellow cavers” constitutes the general public, so please don’t flame me about that...
Diana ************************************************** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On Oct 14, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Karen Perry via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Granted I am not caving any more but this overly secret concept of hiding > cave locations in the caver community has never made sense to me. I think you > should share your files. They are a part of caver history and need to become > a part of the record for future generations. Too much has already been lost > due to out dated, needless, paranoid mindsets. > Just my 2 cents, > Karen Perry > > From: Greg Passmore via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] historic posting > > Many years ago I made 25 copies of a bunch of cave maps from my files and > sold them to fellow cavers for exactly my copying costs (100 pages for $5). > For this I got yelled at for years, was given an award for the worst behaving > caver, and I was accused of copyright violations. All that over a handful of > cave maps lost in old files. This censorship has helped keep new Texas cavers > in the dark about all the great caves that have been lost or forgotten in > this state. It has also been instrumental in the decision not to release my > cave files (even to the TSS), which account for over 16 file drawers of cave > locations, maps, photos and articles. > > I would like to get all this stuff out for the next generation of cavers, but > I am very cautious since the dying generation of cavers responsible for this > nonsense are still (barely) around. > > (rant over) > > > On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers > > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > > > If you are on Facebook, another good place is the Texas Speleological > > Survey page. You can even start your own photo album there. > > > > Jim Kennedy > > TSS office manager > > > > Mobile email from my iPhone > > > >> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers > >> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> > >> Sure, why not. Be interesting to see what you have. > >> > >> Jerry. > >> jerryat...@aol.com > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Greg Passmore via Texascavers > >>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I have bunch of historic caving articles, photos, etc. Is this list an > >>> appropriate place to post these or should we start up a texas caving > >>> history list? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ > > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ________________________________ UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
