Ray, Ernie, & everyone (including Texas Cavers, since I see RD forwarded it there),
Ernie is correct - the beer budget alone would have been enough to put several conventions in the black (instead of the red). That said, I'm not opposed to beer (even though I don't drink it myself). The questions are: - When is it "enough"? Should we just 30-35 kegs (more than OTR purchases, and that is designated a "party event", yet what was being budgeted for in an upcoming convention) and have it every night? I believe most would say "no, a couple of nights is more than sufficient". - When a fight breaks out, and it has several times (to the point of the police being called), are we responsible since we served it? Different laws in different states/municipalities/campuses make this a nightmare to avoid. - The main point I have below is not that the NSS wants to ban beer (we don't), but that we will limit it to the alcoholic beverages listed. There is a trend coming that wants to serve "hard liquor", and the entire EC of the NSS is opposed to this. Just as we don't object to the NSS buying beer & wine, we do object when it comes down to liquor with much higher alcohol content. I'll buy my own, thank you. - The cost of beer alone in a proposed Convention budget is $7,510. This does not include wine at the NSS Awards Banquet, which is another $2,475, for a total of $9,985. This amount has easily broken Convention's budgets all by itself. Part of 2018's "cost savings" is a proposed $200 pre-reg ($250 at the door) registration, and if you want a guidebook that's extra. So yes, buy extra and truck around the leftovers the next day and fill everyone's pitchers - that's a really great way to continue to bleed your Society in a form we can't control. If we don't set a limit, each new Convention points out the (often large) holes we have in how to host a convention. I would hope that everyone will instead encourage the Directors to be fiscally responsible for the Society, and to do the right thing by voting "for". Everything in moderation, even caving. Wm Shrewsbury President, for another week National Speleological Society From: nssw...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:nssw...@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:45 PM To: nssw...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NSSwest] BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO Ray, et al, I don't believe Wm is trying to change your way of drinking, but to use funding more wisely. When more funding is used for alcoholic purposes to get folks drinking from the time they wake up to the time they fall into their tent at night, is becoming an ongoing thing, yes, yes and we've all seen it recently. Ha! When you look at the financial picture of putting on a convention, the teeter-totter seems to be swayed by the beer expenses. As for the New Member/Fellows gathering that is a simple thing to deal with and should be a separate issue IMHO. On top of these thoughts, of late, its the campsites that get all this extra economy--Ha!--and those of us who put off camping lately, that's our problem, but lowering the cost of registration could be a major part of this issue, you think? Ernie Coffman, 8316LF Hello NSS West, You need to know about this. On the Monday Morning BOG agenda they will vote on the motion below. Please talk to your Directors and Officers before the Monday morning vote and request that each BOG member votes "NO!" on Agenda Item 6. Please forward this to other list serves. You can contact your Directors and Officers even if you are not going to the 2017 Convention. Let your leaders hear from you directly! e...@caves.org+direct...@caves.org=b...@caves.org . and yes, there are several BOG members on the NSS West list. If you reply to this list, several will see your reply. Agenda Item 6 "Convention Beverages" is about restricting when alcoholic beverages can be served during the Conventions. You are the representatives of the membership. You are my representative. Please vote "NO" on agenda item 6. This motion is another unnecessary burden to future Convention committees. It is another unnecessary, and unwanted requirement. The motion is below. The "Note:" below the motion will not be included in the Acts of the Board. It is only there to sway your vote. Minimally, I am asking you, my Directors, to amend the motion to remove the sentence "No other alcoholic beverages will be provided." Example: There was a Convention (I was there) where not all of the beer was consumed at the previous night's gathering. The following day the remaining beer kegs were trailered through the campground and pitchers were used to fill campers' containers. It was a memorable and unexpected perk that was very much appreciated. If this motion passes, enjoyable, spontaneous events cannot happen. 6) Convention Beverages Shrewsbury moves: The annual NSS Convention is permitted, once legal permits and permission has been obtained for that area, to serve beer at the Howdy Party and the Campground party. Additionally, wine may be served at the Fellows/New Members reception, Auction night, and the NSS Awards Banquet. No other alcoholic beverages will be provided. Adequate alternatives, such as soft drinks, tea, and water will also be provided at these events. Note: While the Board has discussed this on a prior occasion, other than voting down the "no alcohol at all" motion on the floor at that time, the Board has not codified what is acceptable. This motion is not designed to set a new precedent, but to codify our understanding of the Board's decision. 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