37 years of caving is limited experience... Geez.
Maybe that was why I was denied entry into Lech too because of my
limited experience...
I was told I had to volunteer to work and do my part to go there several
years ago... I have yet to be notified that I could participate even in
a mule fashion of assistance.
My perception hasn't changed one bit.
As far as Whitenose... Did anyone even listen to Dr. Tuttle at the
Convention? The country's foremost and knowledgeable person said there
isn't much anyone can do except let it run it's course. Yet things have
not changed and caves still remain closed or limited.
Bill
On 7/11/2017 9:13 PM, Steve Peerman wrote:
Bill,
I would be remiss in my job as Project Director if I didn’t respond.
I agree that this is an unfortunate perception of the FSCSP.
However, we work very hard to be as inclusive as possible. The
perception of privilege and exclusivity is, for the most part, a
consequence of the severe limitations on entries imposed by the BLM.
The management plan for Fort Stanton Cave calls for as many as two
trips per day with as many as 10 cavers per trip. That plan has been
superseded for the last several seasons, in response of the perceived
threat of WNS, with an annual limit of 120 entries into the cave.
That is supposed to accommodate all research, exploration and
administrative entries for the season, from April 15 through October 31.
Because of this severe limitation, every entry into the cave is
valuable and we have to make sure that we make good use of each entry.
It makes it difficult for someone of limited experience to be placed
on a trip, but it does happen. We encourage trip leaders to be
inclusive, and in the last couple of years, where more activities were
focused on the historical part of the cave because of flooding in
Snowy River, several new cavers and cavers new to Fort Stanton Cave
got an opportunity to participate.
On Jul 11, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Bill Bentley <ca...@mygrande.net
<mailto:ca...@mygrande.net>> wrote:
Only a few privileged established cavers...
On 7/11/2017 7:10 PM, Dwight wrote:
New Mexico's Lincoln County, Snowy River and Fort Stanton Cave make
headlines in USA TODAY!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/local/2017/07/05/snowy-river-book-sold-fort-stanton-live/453916001/
Will this bring us some new NSS members?
This news release does refer interested individuals to the Fort
Stanton Cave Study Project web site, but that is clearly written for
established cavers. It gives the dates for the upcoming project
schedule.
Your web site is wonderful, conveys the right message, and is very
educational. You list a series of requirements for participation in
work trips and then say:
---------------------------------------------------
The FSCSP is unable to accommodate persons not possessing all of the
above skills, attitudes and equipment during project events in
caves. However you are welcome to join us in surface events where we
perform other work including ridge-walking and various scientific
activities such as geophysical surveys during regular or special
expeditions.
Fort Stanton Cave is a publicly-owned resource and sections of the
cave have been available in the past for recreational trips under a
permit system from April 15 through October 31. Although the cave is
currently closed to the general public because of White Nose
Syndrome requirements, in the future interested persons may contact
the BLM
<http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/roswell/fort_stanton_nca.html>
for information concerning application
<http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/nm/programs/recreation/rec_docs.Par.35039.File.dat/Cave_Application.pdf>
for a public entrance permit, or directly at the Roswell BLM
office,. In addition to the SWR <http://www.caves.org/region/swr/>,
the BLM also may be able to provide contact information for caving
clubs where appropriate experience may be gained to enable future
participation in FSCSP projects.
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How do you plan to respond to inquiries from non-cavers in light of
this discussion of getting new NSS members? It does not seem very
welcoming but clearly this is something that needs to be dealt with
on an individual basis. The implication is that you will refer them
to a local grotto. It's not clear what the SWR is, but you can find
out by clicking on the link.
It will be interesting to see how many inquiries the FSCSP and the
BLM get from non-cavers and cavers who are not NSS members. I would
say that this is both an opportunity and a worth-while experiment.
Keep us posted!
DirtDoc
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