If you don't camp and you don't eat and are there to see old friends what exactly are you paying for? I pay of the Texas Caver and am still waiting for a copy. But I don't mind. And I have been designated a moocher and jerk.
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:59 AM Allan Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote: > I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without > wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few > years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would > have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has > devolved into? > > There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who > pride themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, > at TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are > the same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA > projects. > > There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge > financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who > those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. > I get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I > knew that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are > part of the community. > > I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because > they don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the > meal is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me > to have a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the > more complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do > it and the easier to make mistakes. > > That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. > These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for > portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people > who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are > basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for > raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for > many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. > If you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is > passed on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the > people who did pay for paying your share as well. > > "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm > fine with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say > in how it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers > together, the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends > getting together and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old > friends and making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of > the "new" TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition. > > Allan Cobb > > Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler > > > > On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote: > > I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the > proper identity band but didn't post it. > Old Man Wisdom > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair <trog...@cavechat.org> > wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters >> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a >> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be >> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork >> and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some >> time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has >> their wristband. >> >> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you >> will be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to >> camp (cash or check only this year!)! >> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info >> for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be >> open- dependent on how many volunteers I can get! >> >> If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email >> and I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is >> trog...@cavechat.org >> >> >> Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to >> help.. ;) >> >> Happy caving and even happier volunteering! >> >> -Heather Tucek >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Go find out!* >> -Heather Tuček >> TSA Membership Chair >> NSS 59660 >> (512) 773-1348 >> members...@cavetexas.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> > > > -- > Charlie Loving > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > <#m_5121297010948199533_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comtexascav...@texascavers.com > | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > -- Charlie Loving
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