Dear Pat and colleagues, I only wish that it would be “odd to see a science reporter fail to provide any type of current information.” I deal with lots of them as you know, and the truly conscientious and knowledgeable breed that we used to have are quite rare these days. There are some great ones who have a marvelous grasp of the science but in many cases the next day, they are assigned to the latest bleed-n-lead. So the science journalism specialization is imperiled.
I agree that being “effective” (whatever that exactly means in this context) beyond one year, and not screwing up other aspects of the bat physiology or inter-bat behavior, and tailoring for different bats in different habitats are all essential considerations to make such a sketchy scheme work. Based on what I know about Diana Northup’s work on the natural microbiome changes in bats over very short periods of time, and her hypotheses that some bat types may be faring better because of their natural endowment of bacteria that are known to be anti-fungal producers, it seems that enhancing a bat species natural microbiome would be more appropriate than spraying a “lab rat” species on them like Pseudomonas fluorescens. The researchers ARE quoted as saying that they found lots of P. fluorescens on the bats in the first place, but wonder how common that is by species and geographically. I remain both skeptical, hopeful, and sad all at the same time about the progress of the disease and our feeble attempts to manage the situation. It does not bode well for how we deal with the next pandemic in humans, although no doubt vastly more resources will be flung at it, but will more wisdom be also judiciously employed? I’ll try to be more cheerful next post….and Happy Apollo 50th Landing Week. Penny Penelope J. Boston, PhD Current Affiliation; Director, NASA Astrobiology Institute NASA Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035 > On Jul 16, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Patricia Seiser <cavewe...@outlook.com> wrote: > > This article quotes data from 2015 and 2016. For an article published in July > of 2019 I find that suspect.. The research was conducted in 2015. I'd want > something more recent to go on, at the least a follow up on the 2015 study > asking a variety of questions: Was it effective beyond one year. Can those > bacteria be replicated in a lab in a timely and cost effective manner. What > are the implications for developing treatments that are cave or region > specific? It's just odd to see a science reporter fail to provide any type of > current information. > Wishing You Thoughtful Thinking > Pat Seiser > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > From: swrcav...@googlegroups.com <swrcav...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of > Robert Wood <robw...@wwdb.org> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 4:25:27 PM > To: Lee H. Skinner > Cc: New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers > Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Spraying bats with ‘good’ bacteria may combat > deadly white nose syndrome > > The last lines of the article really make a strategic genetic point. For > evolutionists the strengthening of the species through life challenges is > what gives them the ability to survive future challenges. Just a part of the > natural selection process that has been going on for millions of yeas. If one > feels that a butterfly is struggling too much to escape the cocoon and just > makes a small slit in it, it is very possible the butterfly will not survive > because it needs all the strength developed from the eradication process to > live out its life. This just could be a part of the natural selection process > for this bat species on this continent. Human interdiction could be a big > mistake in the grand scheme. > > Rob Wood > >> On Jul 15, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Lee H. 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