Jerry: Thanks for the excellent summary of the Dead Dog cave(s). ===Carl Kunath
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 1:26 AM To: trog...@cavechat.org ; texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: jeffreynnich...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Dead Dog Cave development Hi folks, Before anyone decides to go off a bit half-cocked to defend the Dead Dog caves, here's what we do and don't know about them. There were 6 Dead Dog caves, all discovered in the 1950s-1960s. The main cave, Dead Dog Cave No. 2 (aka Dead Dog Cave) was the best known and most notorious of the lot. A lot of cavers and local kids have history there. It's also not located on the Luby's property but is definitively on TxDOT property to the east of the Luby's property line. Dead Dog Caves No. 4 and 5 are definitely located off the Luby's property to the west. They've also been covered over or destroyed by road and utility construction. That leaves Dead Dog Caves No. 1, No. 3, and No. 6. Dead Dog Cave No. 3 was a little feature with air blowing out of breakdown. It's location was never well established and no one knows where it was located with respect to the Luby's property other than a vague reference to it being NW of Dead Dog Cave No. 2. It was reportedly covered over or destroyed in 1971. Dead Dog Cave No. 6 was even less well documented. It's claim to fame was a skunk and a white-throated salamander that were observed in the cave. It's location was never well established and no one knows where it was located with respect to the Luby's property other than an even vaguer reference to it being NNW of Dead Dog Cave No. 2. There is no information as to whether it was covered over or destroyed. That leaves Dead Dog Cave No. 1. Of all the Dead Dog caves, this is the only one that has a realistic possibility of underlying the Luby's property and being discoverable. The cave was located about 30 feet east of the back property line of the Luby’s Cafeteria. The cave was approximately 120 ft long and 15 ft deep. After construction of the Luby's, there was no evidence of where the cave might be located. It was thought that the cave was buried under either the asphalt driveway/parking lot of the cafeteria or the back roadway leading to the Westpark office complex. And that's the rest of the story...... Jerry Atkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org> To: Texas Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> Cc: Jeff Nichols (jeffreynnich...@gmail.com) <jeffreynnich...@gmail.com> Sent: Sun, Aug 15, 2021 6:14 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Dead Dog Cave development Last minute notice from the TSA Conservation Committee: Development is being proposed at the site of the now closed Luby's Restaurant on Mopac Expressway in Austin. There are several caves under the site collectively referred to as the “Dead Dog Caves”. It is possible that these caves will be filled in during construction. The City Zoning and Planning Commission is having a meeting on Tuesday August 17th and this development is on the agenda. Citizens can apply to speak at this meeting via phone so anyone with extensive knowledge of these caves should consider making some remarks. Anyone can watch the meeting remotely. Link to the Meeting: http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=365503 Sign up by noon Monday, August 16 to be able to speak with the representatives: http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=365503 Information about the site and permit: http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=365455 -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček TSA Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 members...@cavetexas.org _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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