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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:51:45 -0500
From: Natarajan Ganesan <[email protected]>
To: Ganesan Ramanathan <[email protected]>
CC: raji <[email protected]>, tvrfmly tvr
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Lots of things here. Need to have some time to discuss them. Some
interesting and some debatable.
Ravi
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Ganesan Ramanathan
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*From:* Thiruvengadam Vijayaraghavan <mailto:[email protected]>
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Thank you Sir for the fund of info.It is very interesting to know
that "even great Maharishis were not exempt from paying income tax!."
Many Western thinkers like Albert Schweitzer spoke with contempt
about the lifestyle of Rishis.Dr S.Radhakrishnan replied to the
criticism with unmatched elegance and eloquence in his books like '
The Hindu View of Life'. Your info is a telling sample of what the
Rishis did for the world and not for themselves.
It is very unfortunate that the arguments advanced by the Dravidian
movement in the second half of the last century were not adequately
and effectively rebutted .Why?Were the learned ill informed or weak
kneed or both ? Or did they assume that truth would ultimately
prevail not realising that huge damage was being done to our culture?
Thanks once again.
V.Thiruvengadam
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:19 PM, G G Raj Gururaj <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
My dear VT
Your telephonic talk this morning has prompted me to share some
more info.
As you know, in the ancient times All Rishis lived in Ashrams
located in Forests which formed the boundary of a Kingdom.
Homams were performed in these Ashrams everyday throughout the
year. Now the interesting fact is that these were not just
Religious Rites; */_they had important Social Relevance_/*. It
is said that the */Smoke emanating from the Homakundams had the
remarkable property of _warding off_ _Locust Pests_ which are
known to cause serious damage to the agricultural crops/*! There
is a specific reference to this in the Raghuvamsam of Kalidasa.
When a Disciple of Rishi Varatantu approaches King Raghu for
monetary aid, Raghu welcomes him and makes enquiries about his
Guru and the Ashram activities. He specifically asks whether the
smoke from the Ashram Homakundam gave protection to the crops
from Locus Pests! From the way the question is put it would
appear that *_Performance of Homams WAS_**_THE BOUNDEN DUTY OF A
RISHI !!_*
*Incidentally, /_Even great Maharishis were not exempt from
paying INCOME TAX_/*!! According to the State Law in force,
everybody had to pay 1/6 of their annual income or earnings as
Duty or Tax to the State. In the case of Rishis, they paid in
kind not cash! Every Ashram would grow a cereal called NIVARA
and this was used for preparing some kind of a Roti which was
the staple food of the inmates of the Ashram. Now 1/6 of the
total NIVARA produced in a year was to be deposited with the
State as Duty!!
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Now a word about Lord Krishna’s GOVARDHAN LEELA!We all know how
Krishna persuaded the people of Gokulam to stop worshipping
Indra and start worshipping the Mountain called Govardhan Giri.
(INDRA WAS A VEDIC GOD AND BOY KRISHNA ASKED THE PEOPLE NOT TO
WORHIP HIM!! HE COULD EASILY ACHIEVE WHAT OUR EVR, ANNA AND THE
ENTIRE JUSTICE PARTY COULD NEVER DO!!). It would seem that this
act of Krishna had a deep social significance.
As you know, Krishna lived in the border line between Dwapara
Yuga and Kali Yuga. Great acharyas like Manu, Varahamihira etc
have stated that Kali Yuga began the day Lord Krishna left this
world. Krishna was acutely aware of what was in store for this
world in the Kali Yuga. He knew that the FIRST CASUALTY WOULD BE
OUR ECOLOGY AND ENVIRONMENT. NOW THE MOUNTAIN IS A SOLID SYMBOL
OF OUR ENVIRONMENT. HENCE KRISHNA’S INSISTENCE ON WORSHIPPING
THIS MOUNTAIN. ACCORDING TO HIM PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT
WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WORSHIPPING GODS!!
Gururaj
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:35:13 +0530
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Dear Friends,
Here is the authentication of Kalidasa's reference to
Tamraparani sent by Sri Gururaj.
Look how many more references come flodding from the scholar!
A great many thanks to him.
V.Thiruvengadam
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From: *GG* <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:19 AM
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To: v thiruvengadam <[email protected]
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I am reproducing below the relevant Sloka from Kalidasa's
Raghuvamsam where a reference is made to the Pearls found at the
Junction of River Tamraparni and the Bay of Bengal in the
southern kingdom ruled by the Pandya Kings.
*दिशि मन्दायते तेजो दक्षिणस्यां
रवेरपि |*
*तस्यामेव रघो: पाण्डया
प्रतापं न विषेहिरे
|| ४९ ||
ताम्रपर्णीसमेतस्य
मुक्तासारं महोदधे: |*
*ते निपत्य ददुस्तस्मै
यश: स्वमिव संचितं
|| ५० || –*Raghuvamsham –
fourth chapter forty-ninth & fifty sloka
*A rough translation is as follows: When the Sun begins its
southward journey ( i.e Dakshinayanam), the heat in the Sorthern
region becomes dull; similarly when Raghu came South, the
Pandyas could not halt his march. What they did was to get the
pearls found in the junction of the River Tamraparni and the Sea
and offered them at the feet of Raghu in token of their submission.*
Now the interesting point is that Tamraparni is a very small
river in the southernmost part of Tamil Nadu; how then Kalidasa
knew about this river? How did the information about the name
of this and other rivers and mountains in the South travel to
the North at a time when there was no phone, no internet, no
mobile etc?
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In Kallidaikurichi there was a tradition: Even after marriage
the girls stayed with their parents during day time; In the
evenings, they would dress themselves and proceed to their
husbands' house and spend the night there. In the early morning,
they would all make a beeline to their parents' house.
The surprising thing is that a similar custom prevailed in
Ujjain too some 2000 years back! During day time Married girls
would stay with their parents and help them in their work like
Pottery, weaving etc. After dusk, they would all dress
themselves up and go to the houses of their husbands, spend the
night there and in the morning come back to their parents' house.
In the Meghadutam Kalidasa makes a reference to this custom: The
cloud is asked to light up the way through lightning while the
ladies of Ujjain are walking to the houses of their husbands at
night.
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There is also a view that the great PATANJALI taught his
monumental work "Mahabhashya - the commentary on Panini's
Grammar called Ashtadyaayee" at the Chidambaram Temple!
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All this shows that from time immemorial, India was one. All
this talk about the Aryan Dravidian divide is just rubbish. In
fact ancient texts talk about Pancha Dravidas who all belong to
places south of the Vindhyas. Hence the term Dravidian does not
refer to any specfic tribe; it refers to a geographic locality!
Gururaj
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