Pranam
  In connection with the above thinking of YM and SKB, I thought I can
think this way with my old notes as 2 articles one after the other, which
is long but wish everyone reads slowly to understand  fully and think over
also. The only truth is the existence is true and the subjectivity,
objectivity perceptions etc are pure duality related to, may be to modern
science. Let me hear from every one after a week, maybe it may take . Thank
you K R IRS 1121.

1   There is an epistemological optimism, inspired by the Western
renaissance, leading to the faith that man has power to discern certain
knowledge. The essence of this view lies in the doctrine that ‘truth is
manifest’ which implies that truth may perhaps be veiled, but it may reveal
itself. If it does not reveal itself, it may be revealed by us. Removing
the veil may not be easy, but if we once got the naked truth before our
eyes, we have the power to see it, to distinguish it from falsehood,
and to know
that it is true. There is no problem to recognize the truth. Truth is only
to be unveiled and discovered.

   2  If this is the nature of truth, then the question arises how we ever
fall into error. In this regard, Cartesians appeal ( Descartes) to the
theory of conspiracy: the idea that various evil influences perverted our
originally pure and innocent mind. And this is science which through
its methods
and techniques ensure to prevent the conspiracy and to discover the
manifest truth. The only thing we need to do is to use the *scientific
methods.*

*    3  * Scientific knowledge is purely objective, and Scientific
knowledge is purely objective, and it is an objective description of the
real structure of the world. Any kind of source may be the background of
scientific knowledge. We have to give up the idea of the ultimate source of
our knowledge and no source has the overwhelming authority. Scientific
knowledge may be generated from any humanistic ideas which are mixed with
errors, prejudices, dreams, and hopes. Any product of the human mind - such
as myth, metaphysics, stories, guesses or whatever– may be the valid source
of scientific knowledge.

4   In this way science exposes theories and counter theories to a fiercest
struggle for survival. This is a struggle to falsify the previous theory by
the new theory. This implies that theories must be falsifiable – a theory
to be scientific needs to be empirically falsifiable. To be empirical,
falsification must be done on the basis of basic observational statement.
But a question can arise: is an observational statement really objective? A
phenomenon could be observed and interpreted from different points of
view depending
on the scientists’ position in the knowledge situation of his time.
Interpretation of a phenomenon depends on some other theory; this other
theory again depends on some yet other theory and in this way, it goes *ad
infinitum*. At this point scientists *decide *to stop somewhere to settle
for an accepted basic observational statement as an arbiter of
falsification process.  There are many human elements in scientists’
decision to stop at a certain position to settle a basic statement –this is
a human decision, not a logical end.

5        Creation of hypothesis is a subjective involvement. Observations
and their accumulation should be considered as results of the scientific
theories. So, science itself throws new light on things; that it not only
solves problems, but it creates many more. Theory is produced from the
imaginative mind of scientist, and then we observe according to the theory.
Our observation needs Science  to be interpreted. So, without theory we
could not orient ourselves in the world. We observe as our theory suggests.
For  instance, the Marxists literally observe class struggle everywhere,
for their theory suggests that the history of mankind is the history of
struggle between classes. The Freudians observe everywhere repression and
sublimation; the Adlerian sees how feelings of inferiority express
themselves in every action and every utterance. These show that all
observations are designed by their theory.

6        Nothing can be built on pure data, because there is nothing as
pure data; there is nothing simply ‘given’ to us uninterpreted. All our
knowledge is interpreted in the light of our expectation and our theories.
Theoretical entities, such as electric field, magnetic field, gravitational
field – all are hypothetical constructs. They are metaphysical and
speculation of scientists’ minds. So, nature of the world becomes different
with the difference of the scientists’ thought. What is oxygen to Lavoisier
is dephlogisticated air to Priestly. No experiment could solve their
controversy. Two observers do not see the same thing. Observing a protozoon
– amoeba, one saw one celled animal, but the other a non-celled animal.

7           The theories that are replete with unobservable entities are
grandiose ontological frameworks. This ontological construction is
dependent on human ability and personality. How, then, can we produce an
adequate solution where we do not have adequate understanding about our
problem?  In this regard, we can consider another point about scientific
knowledge, that is, background knowledge. To produce some solution or its
criticism we need some preconceptions that will regulate us. In isolation
we cannot say anything. We cannot start from nothing.

8      *If scientific discovery emerges from scientist’s imaginative **mind,
how do we conceive of the term objectivity in it?  P*ersonal ability to
produce any idea is personal, but knowledge produced in such a way becomes
objective knowledge if it becomes falsifiable. Conjecture (producing
theory) is human, but refutation is objective. This is the demarcation
between science and nonscience (religion, mythology, ethics, poetry, etc.).
Science is empirically open to criticism, whereas others are not. There are
two possible attitudes towards any assertion or tradition. One is to accept
the assertion uncritically. The other possibility is critical attitude,
which may result either in acceptance or in rejection, or perhaps in a
compromise. This second approach makes science objective. A subjective
stance may mould theory-production; but criticism of that theory is
objective. Verification is never complete, but falsification is conclusive.
A theory may be produced from any source, be it myths, prejudices, fairy
tales, religions. But the theory becomes objective only after the theory is
put forward to criticism. Our conjectures (theories) are produced from the
expectation of a solution of a problem – expectation for regularities.

9     Research cannot go with confusion. Thus, paradigm provides a vision
for normal science. But this vision of normal science is drastically
obedience to the paradigm. This position of scientific community is
considered as objectivity within paradigm. Philosophy consists in giving
first place not to the truth of philosophy, but to the conditions  (in us)
of its acceptability. The point is that we, not nature, must authorize what
we think about nature. They claimed that it is man’s duty not to believe
when the evidence is insufficient. But question of rights and duties are
not scientific questions. They are ethical questions. There are, therefore,
questions which must be decided by reference to the facts not of nature,
but of human nature. If the ‘will to believe’ is to answer the notions of
rights and duties, then no veto can be placed on it by science; since it is
the business of science to settle what is the case, not what ought to be
the case. We do have a right to adopt a believing attitude even when the
evidence is not sufficient. He the shifts centre of reference from appeal
to the intellect to emotions that stir the heart which is marked out by the
term ‘human nature’.  The question is not ‘what beliefs are true?’ but
‘what do we say of a belief when we say that it is true?’.

10      To say that a belief is true is to say that it enables the mind to
work properly as a knowing and acting being. So, a true belief is one upon
which the mind can act satisfactorily. Thus, the facts by reference of
which the answer is given to the question, ‘what is truth’, falls within
the human mind. It is mind where ideas lie, and where their successful
working occurs.  Empirical problem is empirical in the sense that it is
about the world. Otherwise it originates only in the human mind, when he
encounters the world in a certain way. This is why the fall of the apple
was a simple event to us but was a great and important problem to Newton.
Even many known facts do not necessarily constitute empirical problems. To
regard something as an empirical problem, we must feel that there is a
premium of solving it. In the history of science, many things are
well-known phenomena, but have not been felt to be in need of explanation
or clarification. It was known since the earliest time, for instance, that
most trees have green leaves. But such a fact becomes an empirical problem
only when someone decides that it is sufficiently interesting, important
and deserving explanation. Therefore, problems which were once recognized
may cease to be a problem at all later on. For instance, the staggering
problem ‘how the earth took its shape’ within the last 6,000 to 8,000 years
remained no longer a problem to be solved.

11        So, in what way a problem is raised in scientist’s minds. Toulmin
says that a problem is a situation where our current scientific ideas fall
short of our intellectual ideals. Problems are recognized locating and
specifying the intellectual gap between our current capacities and the
explanatory ambitions defined by the scientific community about natural
order. In short, Scientific problems = Explanatory Ideals – current
capacities. H*uman understanding. consists of the two moments:
understanding the utterance as derived from language, and fact in the
thinker.’ *This dichotomy implies that subject and object are independent
to each other – they have independent existence of their own. But the idea
of intentionality denies such a claim. According to this idea, there is no
subject (thinker) without the object (thought of object), and there is no
object without the subject. Subject and object are inevitably linked, so
that one cannot be there without another. This relational context can be
broken only through cessation of knowing activity- as the relation between
text and reader could be broken only through cessation of reading activity.
A text is text only to a reader; one is a reader only if a text is being
read. There is an I-Thou relationship in any act of understanding.

12          World is like what is understood by scientists through his
available concepts; and scientist’s thought is what he gets from the world.
So, there is fusion between data of the world and concepts of the
scientist; this fusion produces a third position. What occurs in scientific
knowledge is that every encounter of scientists with the world takes place
within a historical consciousness. This encounter involves the experience
of a tension between scientists and the world previously constructed. This
kind of understanding about the world is ‘historically effected
consciousness’ ; consciousness whose quality is history, better yet
historicity, not simplistic being what it is once for all, but it is an
evolved and evolving consciousness. *Therefore, scientific knowledge is
neither just a creation of the scientist's mind nor a real state of the
world; rather it is a subjective understanding of the objective world. *It
implies that scientific knowledge is relative to human condition – the
condition may be psychological, historical, ideological or conceptual. A
deep subjective mode of scientist is essentially involved in science in its
nature. Moreover, the world as an object and the scientist as subject both
are infinitely complex. So, there is a possibility to construct an infinite
number of different views about the world – not objectively one.
14       The objectivity entangled with the subjectivity is duality viz
human understanding (vide para 11). If one says that Mukta sango= free from
WORLDLY attachments, is the objective for the subjective human
understanding, well the walk towards the sattva guna has started (vide BG
18.26). If one says that it is Vedanta, end of Vedam, (antha) it is nothing
but true science, unlike the science of the present earth. However, science
modern and the science of Veda (any knowledge is science) are not one and
the same. Science keeps on faltering as a kid whereas the science in true
science reveals the truth which is Vignana. All professions are same as
science; as each profession learns from the fallings only so too the
science of the world; Vignanam even if unknown in the beginning, makes one
the Purusha moulded out of this earth Prakrithi, unchanged, unaltered
unfailingly.  KR IRS 1121

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 18:43, Sithamalli Balasubramanian <
[email protected]> wrote:

>  Science has promoted that disbelief
> Reply: As one who may call himself a 'scientist' I contradict the above
> statement. 'Science' requires one to be objective, nothing more, In fact
> Vedanta also requires the same thing.  I like to say, "objectivity is the
> operative word of vedanta." In sanskrit it is called muktasanga. (Gita
> XVIII, 26).
> The axiom, Satyameva jayate, na-anrtam also means the same. I am attaching
> my article on the axiom.
>
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 08:57, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Pranam
>>      Hard work Machine is a human whereas all machines sucks the hard
>> work of humanity. As we buy all whether we need or not, so too, money
>> spinners are fooling around the world, resulting at the end of the tunnel,
>> fooling themselves. K R IRS 311220  HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
>>
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 07:31, Markendeya Yeddanapudi <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Mar*Disbelief As Science
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When nature was God and adored, our Sages strived to understand every
>>> organism, emotionally by breathing, smelling and sensing. A sage could
>>> perceive like a dog, or cat or elephant. The perception was emotional and
>>> not mechanical without emotions. The Biosphere was one organism, the great
>>> macro organism-Gaia.
>>>
>>>  Like the bacterium, one among the trillions living in you, belief in
>>> you as a macro organism for them was basic and biological. Bio Logic means
>>> the logic of the life forms, which is the outcome of breathing, smelling
>>> and sensing, the emotional logic. It is not the techno-logic the logic of
>>> the emotion-less machines. A mind by itself cannot develop beliefs. It
>>> needs the emotional feed through breathing, and when breathing is
>>> repudiated as it creates emotions or bias, disbelief gets promoted as
>>> Atheism, or as the techno-dependent science.
>>>
>>> Emotional perception is not the mechanized reasoning of the mind, where
>>> understanding needs connection of a phenomenon, to the basic concept
>>> paradigms developed in the mind. Emotional perception, on the other hand is
>>> connecting to the air flow of Gaia by breathing and smelling. Science
>>> champions the disbelief of own emotions. Every hypothesis needs the
>>> upholding of machines-the computers, to be accepted as a finding of
>>> science.Today,we do not even accept our own basic understanding itself. We
>>> just note and mug and memorize what the computers tell.
>>>
>>> Once, when one faced a problem, one went to thick nature and inhaled, to
>>> get inspiration and answers. Nature or God was inhaled as the method of
>>> facing problems. Often solutions and answers suddenly flashed into the
>>> mind. Breathing created the needed inspirational emotion answer and flashed
>>> into the mind. Nature or God was there, as nature was not axed as part of
>>> the economic destruction. Belief was breathing. Today we science away and
>>> murdered nature, and we need nose masks to enable the functioning of our
>>> bodies as just machines that need machines to live. Artificial intelligence
>>> is driving away natural intelligence.
>>>
>>> A lunatic thinks that all other people of the world are fools and that
>>> he alone is intelligent. Science has promoted that disbelief, as the belief
>>> that only human beings are intelligent and superior and every other
>>> organism is foolish. Because they are not converting themselves into
>>> feelings-less machines, like the humans. Science and Disbelief have become
>>> synonyms.
>>>
>>> YM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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