CULTURAL QA02-2021-19

My notes 1. Being  a compilation there may  be errors  2.It is a compilation of 
answers aboutdeath. Those not interested may kindly skip this QA

Q1         What do most scientistsbelieve happens after death?

A1          Nine very informative answers are given below:-

Answer1 Ian Jenkins,Physician / professor of medicine with an interest in 
bioethics and religionUpdated March 27, 2016

I will generalize, and recap in my words things I've heard Sam Harrissummarize 
nicely...

Scientists are a rational bunch--that's pretty much the definition--andthey try 
to form theories based on observations, and test those theories. Problem is 
with death, no onecomes back to tell you what happened. 

Some people have near death experiences, and they can tell you what theirbrain 
decided was happening, but they weren't dead. Deadmeans permanent loss of brain 
function. So people who come back hadfunctioning nerve cells communicating with 
each other in an abnormal, nearlydead way, and while coming back from that 
process, people probably experiencesome odd sensations or visions because the 
systems for processing data aren'tfully running yet. I wouldn't trust any 
memories of wonderful things frompeople with near death experiences. People can 
remember all sorts of thingsthat didn't happen, and it's pretty easy to implant 
memories in people. That'sanother story.

So: how doscientists decide what to believe about death? Well, there's 
religious theory,that we go to Christian heaven or reincarnate if we're Hindu 
etc etc.

Problem is there's just zero evidence for religion, or anything supernatural. 
There are some things wehaven't explained yet, for sure, but to claim that 
means there must be a god orheaven makes about as much sense as it did for 
ancient Greeks to say God had toexist because they didn't know how lightning 
worked so God (zeus) must bethrowing it around. Other people say religion is 
useful, whichdoesn't prove anything, or that it's meaningful and they 
feltit--problem here is people have these sincerely held beliefs and 
experiencesand convictions and they're mutually contradictory. God sent me to 
blow upthose people vs God sent me to stop that terrorist from blowing up 
thosepeople. Or: God reincarnates us or he doesn't. Jesus is God or he isn't. 
Godshowed us the book of mormon on gold plates with seeing stones, or he 
didn't.Clearly beliefs aren't enough to hang your hat on, because they can 
justifyeverything and contradict each other. So that's out.

Most (not all) scientists lookat the universe and say "either there's no god or 
there's a god who made auniverse that looks just like there's no god."

So: now what? Well, let's look at the process of losing brain function. We can 
watch people lose bits oftheir mind, literally. Phineas Gage had a tamping rod 
shot through hisfrontal lobes and he became insufferable--great example. Other 
people lose specificfunctions and we can see on their scan or autopsy what part 
of their brain wasinvolved. Over time neurology has been able to assign pretty 
clearfunctions to a lot of our brains. 

Specific functions (sight,moving your left thumb, speech) are easy to nail 
down, but we also see whathappens when enough gray matter (cortex) is lost.

 We know that if you pluck out enough parts over time, whatwe call a person 
gradually goes away. Dementia is a good example. Nerve cellsdie, 
sometimesglobally, sometimes more in certain areas (like frontal dementias), 
sometimesfrom sequential small strokes (vascular dementia). But the effects are 
similar: memories are lost.Functions are lost. Speech, creativity, 
relationships, compassion, dreams,interests, all these things slowly go away 
until your dementia patient gets aninfection or another problem that kills 
them, or there's so littlebrain left they can't properly swallow, and then they 
either aspirate some food and die ofpneumonia or they can't take anything in 
and die of kidney failure fromdehydration.

People are pretty frank about this: when a relative finally dies, 
it'sdefinitely a loss, but they're acclimated to it at least in part. The 
person they knew was beinglost piece by piece. It's heart breaking. Many people 
only feelrelief when the process is finally over; the person that connected 
with them was already gone, andjust the body alive.

So what does a scientist think of that? Consciousness, person, whatreligious 
people call soul--itsan emergent property of brain function. When you take 
parts of brainaway, you lose parts of function. When you take ALL of it away, 
the person isgone. Brain death is the end of the person--that's the 
logicalconclusion. Either that terrifies you or you view it as natural andright 
that people make way for their children and grandchildren after a while.

What would be irrational, and counter to data, would be to suggestwithout any 
reason other than local cultural tradition and hope, that a person who has 
gradually lost every function of their brain, andthen loses the LAST neuron and 
is totally brain dead, reappears somewhereelse in full mental and neurologic 
health, speaking English and giving thanksto a deity who designed a universe 
billions of light years across, full ofuncountable clusters of galaxies with 
uncountable stars--just to put humans init on one planet, after a brief 
preparatory period of 13.82 billion years, andwho communicated with all of the 
continents and peoples of earth (at leastaccording to the great monotheisms) 
solely by sending inspirations to certainindividuals in a small region in the 
middle east.

Addendum:Goodcomments asked about supporting evidence for my claim scientists 
believe deadis dead with no afterlife. I turned to google for numbers and found 
this:

Scientists and Belief

Scientists are MUCH less religious than the general public, as expected, but I 
was surprised to see howmany believed in God: 33% (in 2009). That doesn't 
specifically tellus about what happens at death, but religion is the only way 
out of the end ofa person; there's noscientific (ahem) explanation for us going 
on without our bodies, so I assumepeople who don't believe in supernatural 
things assume death is the end.I mean, their could be a 35 foot tall hello 
kitty doll floating around pastthe orbit of pluto, but there's no evidence of 
that, so I am going to say thereisn't one, or that its highly unlikely.

How can this be? Scientists believing things without scientific evidence?Well, 
one, it speaks to the power of upbringing. If you raise a kid by ISIS standards 
in today'sRaqqa, kid's probably going to believe that stuff. Raise a kid with a 
broadeducation in reality and the natural world, tell the kid about ISIS ideas 
atage 40 (while informing them there have been thousands of otherreligions and 
they can pick from those too), eh, a lot less likely you get anISIS recruit, 
right?

Two, some of these scientists are only nominally religious or speaking 
inmetaphor. When Einsteinsaid "God doesn't play dice," he did not mean he 
thought therewas a bearded dude on a throne with one probably blond and 
blue-eyed middleeastern son who oversees the world. He meant "the natural world 
isn'tdriven by chance events" (about this, he was wrong--I do love how Einstein 
admittedhe was wrong about things when it was proven, like the cosmologic 
constant hestuck into equations that shouldn't have been there).

Three, some scientists believe this stuff because they are willing tograde 
religion on much weaker evidence than (e.g.) global warming (in which 
99%believe). Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, is a 
firstclass scientist and engaging thinker--he gave a great address at my 
collegegraduation in 1997. But, I saw an interview where he says he's mostly 
abiblical literalist and devout christian. He said yeah the books 
areinconsistent and that's what you'd expect from a historical record from 
thattime. I can't get my head around this; there's nothing in the Bible that 
isunexpected for the musings of some flawed, premodern humans, which is of 
coursethe best explanation for its claims. Is there ANY other way Mary could 
have gotten pregnant?Is there ANYTHING in the old testament some bronze age 
tribe wouldn't haveknown?

Collins is a great scientist who is trying to find some way that his bookisn't 
false. If he'd been born in Tehran or Beijing or New Delhi he'd probablybe 
justifying very different myths, and that alone should give us great pause.I 
guess this really just brings us back to item one. Once a mind is on acertain 
track its tough for it to jump to a new one.

But, the survey at least shows us that embracing a scientific mindsetvastly 
reduces religiosity.The Zen of Science - Consciousness & QuantumPhysics

2nd answer

Jeff Simpson, Softwareprofessional for 30 years, Philosophy amateur Answered 
March 24, 2016

Firstly, I think that depends heavily on their religion or lack ofreligiosity.

I think thatthis question insinuates that scientists lack religiosity and 
therefore do notthink that anything (in the spiritual or supernatural sense) 
happens to them.

Some, however, believe that they will go to heaven (whatever that meansto them) 
(Judeo-Christian-Islam) or be reincarnated (Hindus and Scientologists)or 
achieve Nirvana (Buddhists) or get their own planet (Mormons) or one ofmany, 
many afterlife theologies. There are many scientists who are devoutlyreligious 
- however, they all leave their religiosity outside the lab (Inscience there is 
no "hey, I can't explain this - so God must have doneit" - that just doesn't 
happen).

However, I will tell you onething that all scientists fundamentally wish will 
happen to them after theydie: They hope that their published research 
continuesbeing cited. To a scientist, that is immortality.

Either way, we're all equally scared of death in oneway or another - scientist 
or not. That is a built-in primal fear - for goodevolutionary reasons, I 
suspect.

3rd answer- Javed Aslam,Have spent enough years in scientific disciplines 
Updated April 2, 2016

The term scientists can be rightfully applied to many differentprofessionals. 
These days most scientific disciplines have very narrow areas ofexpertise 
largely because of the immense growth of knowledge and understanding.As a 
physician with three areas of board certification and fellowship of 
royalcollege of physicians of Canada, I would never give an opinionconcerning 
something outside of my specialty. Why? Because specializationvastly narrow 
one's area of expertise.

The reason I point this out is the way you have worded your question, asif 
saying, "Okay, nowfor the last word and the truth concerning death and the life 
after, let's askthe final authority, the scientists."

Most scientists outside of medical professions, haven't even seen aperson in 
the process of dying. Ifthere is any scientific discipline whose practitioners 
deal with death day inand day out, who fight to keep people alive, and who have 
the chance to be atthe bedside, and hear the last few words of a dying person, 
who see the agonyand hear the final gasp, ending in a final silence, it is the 
medicalpractitioners and allied professional like nurses.

As an oncologist who stood by the bedside of a dying person many a time,I do 
not think that I have ever had even the slightestsense of where the person's 
soul went and what happened to it.

Such questions are better addressed to your religious authorities.

4th answer Frank P Mora,Studied philosophy and logic in school. I became 
enamored with programming, myjob, through HP programmable c…Updated March 31, 
2016

Science cannot answer wellcertain questions. That's why we have logic and 
philosophy.

Science cannot, now, answerwhether gayness is biological or not. Gayness, based 
on overwhelming logic and reason, says it is certainlybiological.

Science cannot even ask about things that are non-material. Sciencecannot ask 
about the supernatural. Logic, however can. Logic may take intoconsiderations 
scientific laws, such as the second law of thermodynamics inmaking 
determinations. It may ask questions, such as, is themotivation for believing 
in life after death the persistence of consciousness? How can consciousness 
existextra-physical?

Even the transmigration ofconsciousness or the soul is wrought with problems 
such as the persistence ofconsciousness and memory.

5th answer KrishnaKumariChalla, A Ph.D. in Microbiology. An artist who 
specializes in science based art. A writer, a poet, a designer, anetw…Answered 
June 29, 2016

Reality! No false illusions.

After our deaths and destruction of our physical bodies, we return back to the 
universe asindividual atoms and energy, to the one body that recycles them and 
we allbelong to whether we lived with our conscious bodies or existed as 
inanimateforms.

Read the detailed process here:

Science tries to strengthen ourminds permanently by making us realize reality!

6th answer- NadirCardaklija, DBA & System Administrator Answered January 15, 
2018

Most scientists have observed that after death abody slowly decays and 
eventually turns, given enough time, into a pile ofbones and dust due to 
bacterial processes. It can be cryopreserved,though, but it's still dead, it's 
just decaying a lot slower.

This is from a scientists' point of view. Now, if said scientist is 
alsoreligious, he can believe other things, but this is beyond 
his"scientistness".

7th answer- AbdullahAlzarouni, i am a human who believe in afterlife ! Answered 
March 25, 2016

hello there everyone !

all the scientists is mortal and therefore they cannot give answer onthat ! you 
have to ask supernatural being which is immortal !! what I mean thatalready 
have been done by ALLAH in his religion books to the earlier human andthe 
ancient !!!thanx

8th answer Lame Rishab Answered March 24, 2016

After death our soul comes out of our body.Science cannot answer wellcertain 
questions. That's why we have logic and philosophy.

Science cannot, now, answer whether gayness is biological or not.Gayness, based 
on overwhelming logic and reason, says it is certainlybiological.

Science cannot even ask about things that are non-material. Sciencecannot ask 
about the supernatural. Logic, however can. Logic may take intoconsiderations 
scientific laws, such as the second law of thermodynamics inmaking 
determinations. It may ask questions, such as, is the motivation forbelieving 
in life after death the persistence of consciousness? How canconsciousness 
exist extra-physical?

Even the transmigration of consciousness or the soul is wrought withproblems 
such as the persistence of consciousness and memory.

9th answer- MartinHogbin, studied Physics at University College London Answered 
April 4, 2016

One chap that used to post on the science newsgroups a lot put it thisway, 
'Science and religion are orthogonal'. To put another way they aredifferent 
subjects covering different things. Science covers what can be detected and 
measured; if youcannot detect or measure it it is not science. 

Religion covers what cannot bedetected or measure; that which requires faith 
and hope. Some of the word's best scientists were, or are,highly religious; 
others atheists.

In my opinion religion should never try to interfere with science. Whenit comes 
to detactable, measurable .

All the above QA are based onQuora digest to me on 21-2-2021. Quora answers 
need not be 100% correct answers

Compiled and posted by R. Gopala krishnan on 22-2-2021

 

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