Pranam SKBji's quote is : *1 Skanda Purana* declares जन्मना जायते शूद्रः संस्कारात् द्विज उच्यते। शापानुग्रहसामर्थ्यं तथा क्रोधः प्रसन्नता ।|31-34|| By birth we are all a shudra, irrespective of where we are born. It becomes the responsibility of the person’s *Purushartha* <http://satchitanandareflections.blogspot.com/2017/11/purusharthas-simplified-insight.html>, an expression of his *gunas* through his *karmas*. Yudhishtra’s authoritative insights affirm the reasoning that *Gunas* and *Karma* determine our *Varna* and not birth as it is deemed to be in current context.
2 शमो दमस् तपः शौचं क्षान्तिर् आर्जवम् एव च । ज्ञानं विज्ञानम् आस्तिक्यं ब्रह्म-कर्म स्वभाव-जम् ॥ ४२ ॥ *śamo damas tapaḥ śaucaṃ kṣāntir ārjavam eva ca | jñānaṃ vijñānam āstikyaṃ brahma-karma svabhāva-jam* || 42 || Control of the mind and senses, austerity, cleanliness, tolerance, simplicity, transcendental knowledge, realization of that knowledge and firm faith in the existence of God are the characteristic duties of the *brāhmaṇas <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/brahmana#vaishnavism>* and born of their nature. KR IRS 27221 On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 at 12:40, Sithamalli Balasubramanian < sithamal...@gmail.com> wrote: > Few points: > 1. Gita too defines a Brahmin by innate karma- > samoa damos-thapa aarjavan > gnyaanam vignyaanam aastikyam Brahma karma swabhavajam. > 2. I too had mentioned Janmanaa shudrah samskaarat brahmano bhavati... in > reply to Iyer. But I did not know the source. Thanks for bringing it out. > Skb. > > On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 at 10:50, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <keyarinc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Pranam >> This arises in the HAH group reply of Sri Cyrus to many types of >> Brahmins yesterday. If members may remember that I quoted Vajraruchi >> upanishad long back, which is now again written by Sri Cyrus as that of Dr >> S Radhakrishnan. >> Vajra is a later sama veda upanishad. In Mahabhartham vana parva >> there is a dharmar-Nahusha discussion where dharma explains who is a real >> Brahmin. Pl see below. >> >> { VARNA}: Nahusha,: Who is a Brahmana? >> >> Yudhishtra responds: सत्यं दानं क्षमा शीलम आनृशंस्यं >> दमॊ घृणा दृश्यन्ते यत्र नागेन्द्र स बराह्मण इति समृतः >> >> satyaṃ dānaṃ kṣamā śīlam ānṛśaṃsyaṃ damo ghṛṇā dṛśyante yatra nāgendra >> sa brāhmaṇa iti smṛtaḥ Truthfulness, generosity, patience, good character, >> compassion, self-control, tenderness One in whom these are seen, O King of >> Snakes, he is a Brahmana. Thus it is known. >> >> शूद्रे चैतद भवेल लक्ष्यं दविजे तच च न विद्यते न वै शूद्रॊ भवेच छूद्रॊ >> बराह्मणॊ न च बराह्मणः śūdre caitad bhavel lakṣyaṃ dvije tac ca na vidyate >> na vai śūdro bhavec chūdro brāhmaṇo na ca brāhmaṇaḥ >> >> A shudra in whom these virtues exist and a dvija in whom they do not >> exist, that shudra is not a shudra and that Brahmana is not a Brahmana. >> >> यत्रैतल लक्ष्यते सर्पवृत्तं स बराह्मणः समृतः यत्रैतन न भवेत सर्पतं शूद्रम >> इति निर्दिशेत yatraital lakṣyate sarpavṛttaṃ sa brāhmaṇaḥ smṛtaḥ >> yatraitan na bhavet sarpataṃ śūdram iti nirdiśet O Snake, in whom these >> virtues exist, he is a Brahmana, it is said. O snake, in whom these virtues >> do not exist, he is a shudra. Thus it is taught. >> >> Yudhishtra clarifies beyond a shadow of doubt that the presence of >> virtuous characters alone qualifies a person as a Brahmana and the lack of >> it brings down to a default state, Shudra. {*Skanda Purana* declares >> >> जन्मना जायते शूद्रः संस्कारात् द्विज उच्यते। शापानुग्रहसामर्थ्यं तथा >> क्रोधः प्रसन्नता ।|31-34|| By birth we are all a shudra, irrespective of >> where we are born. It becomes the responsibility of the person’s >> *Purushartha* >> <http://satchitanandareflections.blogspot.com/2017/11/purusharthas-simplified-insight.html>, >> an expression of his *gunas* through his *karmas*. Yudhishtra’s >> authoritative insights affirm the reasoning that *Gunas* and *Karma* >> determine >> our *Varna* and not birth as it is deemed to be in the current context. >> >> KR IRS 27221 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 20:27, 'cyrus malaowala' via HAH-International < >> hah-internatio...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> FROM THE VEDAS >>> Who Is a True Brahmin?Scriptures declare that only a realized soul can >>> claim to be a brahmin >>> >>> >>> India's caste system can be seen as a codification of social classes >>> found in any human society. Whether the late development of the jati system >>> (wherein caste is determined by birth) along with related social injustice >>> and abuse, should be attributed to Hindu religion or seen as a purely >>> social phenomenon is a hot topic. Our scriptures have a clear answer. >>> Listen now to the Vajrasuchi Upanishad, which, along with other ancient >>> texts, states unambiguously: membership in the priestly brahmin, or >>> brahmana, caste is determined by character, conduct and attainment, not by >>> birth. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> I shall describe the Vajrasuchi doctrine which blasts ignorance, >>> condemns those who are devoid of the divine knowledge and exalts those >>> endowed with the eye of knowledge. >>> >>> The brahmana, the kshatriya, the vaishya and the sudra are the four >>> castes. That the brahmana is the chief among these classes is in accord >>> with the Vedic texts and is affirmed by the Smritis. Here there is a point >>> worthy of investigation. Who is, verily, the brahmana? Is he the individual >>> soul? Is he the body? Is he the class based on birth? Is he knowledge? Is >>> he the deeds (previous, present or prospective)? Is he the performer of the >>> rites? >>> >>> To assume that the jiva, or the individual soul, is brahmana, it is not >>> so, for the individual's form is one and the same in the large number of >>> previous and prospective bodies. Even though the jiva is one, it assumes >>> many bodies due to the stress of (past) karma, and in all these bodies the >>> form of the jiva is one and the same. Therefore the jiva is not the >>> brahmana. >>> >>> If it is said that the body is the brahmana, it is not so, because of >>> the sameness of the nature of the body which is composed of the five >>> elements, in all classes of human beings down to the chandalas (outcastes), >>> etc.; on account of the perception of the common features of old age and >>> death, virtue and vice. Therefore the body is not the brahmana. >>> >>> If it is said that birth makes the brahmana, it is not so, for there are >>> many species among creatures, other than human, many sages are of diverse >>> origin. We hear from the sacred books that Rsyasrnga was born of a deer, >>> Kaushika of kusha grass, Jambuka from a jackal, Valmiki from an ant-hill, >>> Vyasa from a fisher girl, Gautama from the back of a hare, Vasistha from >>> Urvasi (the celestial nymph), Agastya from an earthen jar. Despite their >>> birth, there are many sages who have taken the highest rank, having given >>> proof of their wisdom. Therefore birth does not make a brahmana. >>> >>> If it is said that knowledge makes a brahmana, it is not so, because >>> among kshatriyas and others there are many who have seen the highest >>> Reality and attained wisdom. Therefore knowledge does not make a brahmana. >>> >>> Then if it is said that work makes a brahmana, it is not so, for we see >>> that the work commenced in the present embodiment or accumulated during the >>> previous or to commence on a future embodiment is common to all living >>> creatures and that good men perform works impelled by their past karma. >>> Therefore work does not make a brahmana. >>> >>> Then if it is said that the performer of religious duties is a brahmana, >>> it is not so, for there have been many kshatriyas and others who have given >>> away gold--a religious duty. Therefore the performer of religious rites is >>> not the brahmana. >>> >>> Then who, verily, is the brahmana? He who, after directly perceiving, >>> like the amalaka fruit in the palm of one's hand, the Self--without a >>> second, devoid of distinctions of birth, attribute and action, devoid of >>> all faults such as the six infirmities, and the six states, of the form of >>> truth, wisdom, bliss and eternity, that is by itself, devoid of >>> determinations, the basis of endless determinations, who functions as the >>> indwelling spirit of all beings, who pervades the interior and the exterior >>> of all, like ether, of the nature of bliss, indivisible, immeasurable, >>> realisable only through one's experience and who manifests himself directly >>> (as one's self)--and, through the fulfilment of his nature, becomes rid of >>> the faults of desire, attachment, etc., and endowed with qualities of >>> tranquillity, etc., rid of the states of being, spite, greed, expectation, >>> bewilderment, etc., with his mind unaffected by ostentation, self-sense and >>> the like, he lives. He alone, who is possessed of these qualities, is the >>> brahmana. This is the view of the Vedic texts and tradition, ancient lore >>> and history. The accomplishment of the state of the brahmana is otherwise >>> impossible. Meditate on Brahman, the Self who is being, consciousness and >>> bliss, without a second; meditate on Brahman, the Self who is being, >>> consciousness and bliss without a second. This is the Upanishad. >>> >>> *Sama Veda, Vajrasucika Upanishad* 1-9 >>> *Translated by Dr. S. Radhakrishnan* >>> >>> ----CYRUS---- >>> >>> --------------------------=-=-=- >>> >>> On Friday, February 26, 2021, 07:58:44 PM GMT+5:30, Rajaram >>> Krishnamurthy <keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Pranam >>> *What are the names for the different Brahmins in India? >>> <https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-names-for-the-different-Brahmins-in-India>* >>> >>> * >>> <https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-names-for-the-different-Brahmins-in-India>* >>> >>> >>> >>> Although Brahmins make up just 5% of the total population, there are way >>> too many categories of Brahmins. *Pancha-Gauda* and *Pancha-Dravida* >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancha-Dravida> are the two primary >>> Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmins>, as per the śloka >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Aloka> from the *Rajatarangini* >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajatarangini> of Kalhana >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalhana>: >>> >>> कर्णाटकाश्च तैलंगा द्राविडा महाराष्ट्रकाः, गुर्जराश्चेति पञ्चैव द्राविडा >>> विन्ध्यदक्षिणे || >>> सारस्वताः कान्यकुब्जा गौडा उत्कलमैथिलाः, पञ्चगौडा इति ख्याता >>> विन्ध्स्योत्तरवासिनः || >>> >>> (The-) Karnātakas, Tailangas, Dravidas, Mahārāshtrakās and Gurjaras; >>> these five(-types who-) live south of Vindhya (- mountains) are (called-) >>> "five Dravidas" (- Brahmins); (whereas-) Sārasvatas >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C4%81rasvata>, Kanyakubja Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanyakubja_Brahmins>, Gauḍa Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gau%E1%B8%8Da_Brahmins>, Utkala Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utkala_Brahmin>, and Maithil Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maithil_Brahmin>, who live north of >>> Vindhya (- mountains) mainly in Nepal >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal> are known as "five Gaudas" >>> (-Brahmins) >>> >>> *Pancha-Gauda Brahmins* can be further classified into the following: >>> >>> *1. Saraswat Brahmins* >>> >>> - Kashmiri Pandits <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmiri_Pandits> >>> - Goud Saraswat Brahmin >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goud_Saraswat_Brahmin> >>> - Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitrapur_Saraswat_Brahmin> >>> - Rajapur Saraswat Brahmin >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajapur_Saraswat_Brahmin> >>> - Kudaldeshkar Gaud Brahman >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudaldeshkar_Gaud_Brahman> >>> - Daivajna brahmin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daivajna_brahmin> >>> >>> >>> *2. Kanyakubja Brahmins* >>> >>> - Kulin Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulin_Brahmins> >>> - Sanadya Brahmin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanadya_Brahmin> >>> - Kamrupi Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamrupi_Brahmins> >>> - Kanyakubja Brahmin >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanyakubja_Brahmin> >>> - Sakaldwipiya Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakaldwipiya> >>> - Pareek <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareek> Brahmins >>> - Pushkarna Brahmin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushkarna_Brahmin> >>> >>> >>> *3. Utkala Brahmins*, also known as Oriya Brahmins, are a caste from >>> the Indian state of Odisha <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odisha> previously >>> known as Utkala Kingdom, Kalinga Kingdom and neighbouring states of >>> Chhattisgarh <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chhattisgarh>, Andhra >>> Pradesh <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh>, West Bengal and >>> Jharkhand <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jharkhand> >>> >>> *4. Maithil Brahmins* are a Hindu Brahmin community from the Mithila >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithila> region of Nepal >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal> and India >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India>. They are one of the five >>> Pancha-Gauda Brahmin communities. >>> >>> *5. **Saryupareen Brahmins* >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saryupareen_Brahmins> , also known as >>> Sarvarya Brahmins or Saryupariya Brahmins, are North Indian Brahmins >>> residing on the eastern plain of the Sarayu >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarayu> near Ayodhya >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya>. >>> >>> *Pancha-Dravida Brahmins* can be further classified into the following: >>> >>> *1. Telugu Brahmins* of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana are broadly >>> classified into four groups: Vaidiki Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaidiki_Brahmins>, Niyogi >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niyogi>, Dravida Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaraama_Dravidulu>, and Vaikhānasa >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaikhanasas>. Niyogis >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niyogi> are further divided into the >>> following subcategories: Nandavarika Niyogi, Prathama Shakha Niyogi, Aaru >>> Vela Niyogulu. >>> >>> *2. Maharashtra*: *Chitpavan Konkanastha Brahmin* >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitpavan_Konkanastha_Brahmin>*, **Deshastha >>> Brahmin* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deshastha_Brahmin>* and **Karhade >>> Brahmin* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karhade_Brahmin>. Among the >>> three, Deshastha Brahmins are found in Northern Karnataka and parts of >>> Tanjavur, Tamil Nadu also. >>> >>> *3. Karnataka* >>> >>> - Smartha Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartha_Brahmins> >>> - Madhwa Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhwas> >>> - Mysore Iyengars <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysore_Iyengars> >>> - Tuluva Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuluva_Brahmins>, >>> which consist of Kandavara Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandavara_Brahmins>, Karhade Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karhade_Brahmin>, Padia Brahmins, >>> Saklapuri >>> Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saklapuri_Brahmins>, Shivalli >>> Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivalli_Brahmins>, Smartha >>> Shivalli Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartha_Shivalli_Brahmins>, Sthanika >>> Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sthanika_Brahmins>, Padarthi >>> Brahmins. >>> - Havyaka Brahmin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havyaka_Brahmin> >>> - Gowda Saraswat Brahmins >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gowda_Saraswat_Brahmins> >>> - Sankethi Brahmins >>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sankethi_Brahmins&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> - Daivadnya Brahmin >>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daivadnya_Brahmin%27s&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> s >>> >>> >>> *4. Tamil Nadu* >>> >>> - Iyengar <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iyengar> (sub-divided into >>> Vadakalai <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadakalai> and Thenkalai >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thenkalai>) >>> - Iyer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iyer> (sub-divided further >>> into Vadama <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadama>, Vathima >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathima>, Brahacharanam >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahacharanam>, Ashtasahasram >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtasahasram>, Chozhiya or Sholiyar >>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chozhiya_or_Sholiyar&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> , Dikshitar <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikshitar>, Kaniyalar, >>> Prathamasaki,Gurukkal) >>> >>> >>> *5. Kerala* >>> >>> - Nambudiri <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambudiri> >>> - Pushpaka Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushpaka_Brahmins> >>> - Iyer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iyer> >>> >>> >>> *6. Gujarat and Rajasthan* >>> >>> - Shrimali Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrimali_Brahmins> >>> - Tapodhan Brahmins >>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tapodhan_Brahmins&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> - Valam Brahmins >>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Valam_Brahmins&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> - Aboti Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboti_Brahmins> >>> - Modh Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modh> >>> - Nagar Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagar_Brahmins> >>> - Audichya Brahmin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audichya_Brahmin> >>> - Bardai Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardai_Brahmins> >>> - Anavil Brahmin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anavil_Brahmin> >>> - Nodera Brahmin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nodera_Brahmin> >>> - Khedaval Brahmins <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khedaval> >>> - Valadara Brahmins >>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Valadara_Brahmins&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> - Garg Brahmin >>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garg_Brahmin&action=edit&redlink=1> >>> >>> >>> So there you go. These many categories of Brahmins do exist. 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