Swarga naraka
The swargam and Narakam are mere threatening concepts evolved
without in depth foundations as the WAY OF LIFE or SANATHANA DHARMA was
given. Vedas are noticeably clear no other scriptures can over trespass THE
PRINCIPLES OF THE VEDAS. And Nachiketan proves it beyond doubt in the
Upanishad when talking with YAMA. The Vedas knew only one YAMA and YAMI
brother and sister where after the, Yami was living in the concentration of
YAMA. Dharma was interlocked with the YAMA, but Vedas use that only as a
death GOD.
The Rig Vedam does not have anything to connect to Swargam indirectly
even and Narakam and so the Yajur and Sama vedam. Anything not said in
Vedas have no sanctity and if in doubts refer to the elders where the
elders as Vedics, had not said anything in the Upanishads. Seven above and
seven below 14 lokas do not have anything explicitly mentioned as swargam
and Narakam. And the theory of KARMA is perfect and the rebirths induce the
adrishta (unforeseen) happiness and the pains which itself is swarga and
Naraka; also no one can be punished twice one in hell and another under
the rebirth.
The satapataha brahmana and the Atharva vedam followed by the B G
speaks of the path of SOUL LEAVING THE BODY TRAVELLING TO north MOKSHAM (NO
REBIRTH) AND THE SOUTH (KARMA AND REBIRTH) ONLY. Because the body is left
here. Only the soul leaves out which is named as sukshma sareera. It is
invisible and cannot be endured and enforced to pleasure or pains. So
smritis are clear in that about the concept of the soul; and as soul is
nothing but the manifestations of the Paramatma, and there is no thirsty
bodies to be fed etc travelling ,other than our sound waves in the air, and
even in rebirth only the unidentified soul takes on another body solely
grown by the physical biology destroyable on earth as MAYA roopam, and
enters after the growth, , there is nothing except the soul, thoughts thro
mind and karmas all abstracts alone available. They cannot be rewarded or
reinforced or rinsed.
The thoughts of these elements were beyond the scriptures of the
ancient, created to keep in check the society from deviating, under the
threat; we invariably see it in puranas and especially under GARUDA
PURANAM. The Agni Purana mentions 4 hells; some recensions say 7;
Manusmrithi speaks of 21 hells; : Tamisra, Andhatamisra, Maharaurava,
Raurava, Kalasutra, Mahanaraka, Samjivana, Mahavichi, Tapana, Sampratapana,
Samhata, Sakakola, Kudmala, Putimrittika, Lohasanku, Rijisha, Pathana,
Vaitarani, Salmali, Asipatravana and Lohadaraka ; Yagnavalkvya smrithi
mentions 21 but names are varied; Bhagavatham, Vishnu Puranam and Devi
Bhagavatham describes 28 hells; the 3 vedas do not mention about any of
these things; Atharva Vedam speaks of darkness which the learned attributed
it to the BLACK-HOLES.
The Bhagavad-Gita describes two paths along which *souls *travel after
death. One is the path of the sun, also known as the bright path or the
path of gods and the other is the path of the moon, also known as the dark
path and the path of ancestors. When a soul travels along the path of the
sun, it never return again, while those which travel along the path of the
moon return again. (8.24). How is the path of the sun attained? Lord
Krishna provides the clue in the following verses: "Controlling all the
openings of the body, with the mind established in the heart, fixing the
prana in the self at the top of the head establishing oneself in the Yoga,
uttering the monosyllable AUM, which is Brahman, who leaves the body
remembering Me, he achieves the highest goal. (8.12-13)
The Isa Upanishad clearly emphasizes it. Into blinding darkness
enter those who worship ignorance (materialism) and into greater darkness
those who worship knowledge (spirituality) alone. Distinct they say is the
result of knowledge and distinct they also say is the result of ignorance.
This is what we heard from the wise who explained these matters to us. He
who knows both knowledge and ignorance together, crosses death through
ignorance and attains immortality through knowledge. - Isa Upanishad
*His state of mind *at the time of death, that is what thoughts and
what desires were predominant in his consciousness at the time of his
death, decides in which direction the jiva will travel and in what form it
will appear again. (B G ) A rudimentary concept of rebirth can be traced in
some early Upanishads which repeatedly suggest that a father lives through
his son. While the body may perish, the Self does not because the knowledge
and energies of the father are transmitted to the eldest son. In the
ultimate sense, the purpose of after life is neither to punish nor reward
the souls, but to remind them of the true purpose of their existence. In
the final analysis, the difference between heaven and hell is immaterial
because both are part of the great illusion that characterizes the whole
creation. The difference is very much like the difference between a good
dream and a bad dream. It should not matter to soul whether it has gone to
a heaven or to some hell, because the soul is eternally pure and not
subject to pain and suffering.
Even in Satapata brahamana Kanda XIII, adhyaya 8, brahmana 1
*FUNERAL CEREMONIES of burial and building the grave are explained after
the funeral ceremony, starting from *1. They now do what is auspicious for
him. They now prepare a burial-place (śmaśāna
<https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/shmashana#hinduism>) for him, (to
serve him) either as a house or as a monument; for when any one dies, he is
a corpse (śava <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/shava#hinduism>), and
for that (corpse) food (anna
<https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/anna#hinduism>) is thereby prepared,
hence 'śavanna,' for, indeed, 'śavanna' is what is mystically called
'śmaśāna.' But 'śmaśāḥ' also are called the eaters amongst the Fathers, and
they, indeed, destroy in yonder world the good deeds of him who has had no
sepulchre prepared for him: it is for them that he prepares that food,
whence it is 'śmaśānna,' for 'śmaśānna' is what is mystically called
'śmaśāna.' And ending,” . He then bids them cut out (the earth). He should
cut it out to whatever extent he intends to raise (the sepulchral mound),
but let him rather cut it out so as to be just of man's size: he thus
leaves no room for another. For, on the one hand, the Fathers are the world
of plants, and amongst the roots of plants they (are wont to) hide; and, on
the other, (he does so) lest he (the deceased) should be separated from
this (earth).” Thus, described in 4 chapters. Kanva text has a slight
variation. A few interpret these procedures as world of sepulchere also but
it cannot be said in black and white it records the existences of hell and
heaven, Even Vaishnav ism did not accept the concept as Buddhism too does.
KR IRS 19521
On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 00:16, 'venkat giri' via iyer123 <
[email protected]> wrote:
> *Respected Sir/s,*
> *Heaven or SWARGAM ...சொர்க்கம் is a common
> religious cosmological or transcendent supernatural place where gods,
> angels, spirits, saints, or venerated ancestors are said to reside.
> Heaven is often described as a "highest place", the holiest place, a
> Paradise, in contrast to hell or the Underworld or the "low places" and
> universally or conditionally accessible by earthly beings according to
> various standards of divinity, goodness, piety, faith, or other virtues or
> right beliefs or simply divine will.*
> * In Indian religions, heaven is considered as Svarga
> loka and the soul is again subjected to rebirth in different living forms
> according to its karma. This cycle can be broken after a soul achieves
> Moksha or Nirvana. Any place of existence, either of humans, souls or
> deities, outside the tangible world (Heaven, Hell, or other) is referred to
> as the otherworld. *
> * Heaven is often believed to be a place of
> bliss after the death of the doer of good. *
> * Heaven is the divine world
> ruled by Indra. The place that is attained after death, by the good deeds
> done while human beings live on earth. Endless pleasure, freedom is heaven.
> Heaven is described in many places as the abode of virgins, angels, gods,
> delicacies, series of merriment. It is believed that this is the judgment
> given by the Lord based on GOOD deeds in their Life. The world of heaven
> is explained in detail in the Hindu scriptures and shastras.*
>
> *Heaven and Hell....**A tale from China*
> * A curious man once asked to visit HEAVEN and HELL.*
> * Expecting HELL to be a **terrible frightening place, he was amazed
> to find people seated around a lovely **banquet table. The table was
> piled high with every delicious thing one could **possibly want. The man
> thought, Perhaps hell is not so bad after all.*
> * Looking closely, however, he noticed that everyone
> at the table was **miserabl .**They were starving, because, although
> there was a mountain of food **before them, they had been given
> three-foot-long spoon.. There was no way to **carry the food to their
> mouths with such long spoon, and so no one could **eat a bite.*
> * Then the man was then taken to heaven. *
> * To his utter surprise, he found the exactly the **same
> situation as he had seen in HELL.. People were gathered around a banquet
> **table
> piled with food. All the diners held a pair of three-foot-long spoons in
> **their
> hands. But here in heaven, everyone was happily eating the delicious food,
> **for
> the residents of heaven were using their extra-long spoon to feed one *
> *another.*
> *"சொர்க்கமும் நரகமும் மனிதனின் மனதில் தான்.*
> *அன்பு, கனிவு மனதில் வளர்ந்தால் சொர்க்கம்.*
> *பொறாமை, கோபம், சினம் போன்ற வைரஸ்*
> *மனித மனதில் வளர்ந்தால் நரகம் தான்."*
>
> *" Heaven and hell are in the human minds only.*
> *If love and compassion grow in the mind; it could be HEVEN.*
> *Virus like jealousy, anger, rage ,**if it grows in the human mind*
> *it is only HELL"*
>
> ----
> *Regards*
> *V.Sridharan*
> *Trichy*
>
> On Tuesday, 18 May, 2021, 04:57:21 pm IST, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> SWARGAM- THE HEAVEN
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> There is a Malayalam slokam, I studied in the 5th or 6th class “*Naamukku
> name panivathu nakam, narakavum athu polae*” meaning- we create our
> swarga and naraka.
>
> In the puranas it is told there are 14 worlds, seven upper worlds and
> seven lower worlds. *Our world is LOWEST OF THE UPPER WORD*.
>
> *Swargam is third of the upper world*. *Narakam is in the lower worlds.*
>
> I think the theory of fourteen worlds is from epic periods. In
> Mahabharatha, the last chapter is swargarohanam (Going to heaven).
>
> I have read once *sage Muchukunda* was invited to live in Swarga, after
> hearing the attributes, he is said to have told-“Only these attributes. I
> would remain in the present world” and declined to go to swarga.
>
> I have also read *sage Narada could traverse all the worlds, as he
> desired*. After seeing Pariajtham in Indra’s garden, he influenced
> Sathyabhama to get it to her and finally Krishna brought it after a war and
> planted in the garden of Sathyabhama in such a way that flowers fall in the
> garden of Rukmini…
>
> I have also read after *Gaya sraadha, pithrus are up lifted (liberated)
> from Pithru loka to Swarga* due to the blessing given to Gayasura. Pithru
> loka is another upper world. Let me go in to swarga more.
>
> There can be members who think my postings are fit to put in garbage. They
> may kindly mark my mails to DELETE/SPAM
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gopala krishnan 25-2-2011
>
> *Reposted after editing and updating. R.Gopala Krishnan 18-5-2021*
>
> 1. Trishanku swargam
>
> Very often we talk about Trishanku swargam. It is neither swargam nor a
> world below. It was created by sage Viswamithra for the king Trishanku.
> Those who would have read puranic postings may recollect now king Trishanku
> was born in Soorya vamsam and father of great king Harichandra.
>
> During a famine, king Trishanku helped the family of sage Viswamithra
> taking all care. Sage Viswamithra was away. Pleased with king Trishanku, he
> said whatever the desire he has, it would be fulfilled. Trishanku desired
> to go with Physical body to swargam. Sage Viswamithra raised him to the
> upper world towards Swargam.
>
> *Indra denied permission to enter Swarga to the king with physical body*.
> In that case, sage Viswamithra said he would create a swarga where he is,
> better than swarga.
>
> Sage Viswamithra started creating swarga. All Devas came to him with the
> request not to create any more the swarga. Hence the swarga created by the
> sage remained as such and king Trishanku remained there.
>
> Normally we use the phrase “*Trishanku swargam*” on this account to a
> dilemmatic position.
>
> 2. Swargarohanam in Mahabharatha.
>
> After ruling for more than 30 years, the Pandavas headed by Dharmaputhra
> felt it is time to leave the kingdom and start the long journey. *Probably
> being son of Yama dharma, Dharma puthra could have visualised it was time
> for departing to other worlds*. By the time Lord Krishna had his end and
> all Pandavas were very sorrowful. Arjuna felt all his energy has gone.
>
> They started the long journey with Droupati. On the way a dog too joined
> them. As they went through, the Pandavas Sahadeva, Nakula, Bhima, Arjuna
> and Panchali fell down and had their end one by one. Panchali first fell
> down.
>
> Dharma puthra continued his journey. Suddenly a chariot appeared before
> him. Dharma puthra was asked to get in to for going to swarga. Dharma
> puthra started to get in with dog *but the dog was denied to get in.*
>
> Then Dharma puthra said- All the way this dog was coming with me. If I
> have to get in this chariot, dog too have to be permitted to get in.
>
> *Then the dog changed in to Yama dharma. Both of them got in. It was a
> testing on Dharma puthra. Dharma puthra reached Swargam.*
>
> What a sight- He found ALL HIS KOURAVA BROTHERS SEATED THERE and
> welcoming the elder brother.
>
> Dharmaputhra could not see any of his 4 Pandava brothers or Panchali. He
> got a little bit upset. It was another trick played on him for his half
> lie- “Aswathama- low voice enna aaana again high voice marichu” (Aswathama*,
> low voice, by name an elephant, dead.)*
>
> Now he could see all his younger brothers with Panchali too brought there
> after their suffering. Though Dharma puthra had a sign of relief, still he
> had a doubt how such cruel brothers were there in swarga. His dilemma was
> answered. They suffered the punishment already for the papa. Now they are
> enjoying the punnia they have done in Swarga. *Remember Kouravas died 30
> human years before than Pandavas.*
>
> *If the above version is correct as told in swargarohanam, one would reach
> swargam after suffering for bad karma in** Dwapara Yuga.*
>
> *Rules of **Dwaparayuga** need not be the same in Kaliyuga.*
>
> *Rules of **threthayuga where pithru appeared in person b**efore Seetha
> on Thithi day, **is not applicable for Dwapara Yuga and Kaliyuga.*
>
> 3. DEVALOKA.
>
> Devas reside in upper worlds. Swarga is one among the upper worlds. Lord
> Vishnu resides at Vaikuntam. Lord Siva resides in Siva loka.
>
> This is the reason when a person has died, Vaishnavites say as vaikunta
> Prapthi, and saivites say as sivaloka prapthi. (I read it in one of the
> answers of trs iyengar to me).
>
> My note- There was a recent query by MR Sunder Raman about the difference
> between Vaishnavites and Hindus in samskaras
>
> 4. Principle of soul.
>
> The soul, is considered as the life in all of us. It is energy. In
> Malayalam it is said as “Atma chaitanyam”. There is no loss of energy.
> There is only transformation of energy.
>
> When a child is conceived the energy enters in to its body WITH ANOTHER
> BODY CALLED ASTRAL BODY. When any person meets his end, the energy goes of
> the physical body.
>
> This energy is still with astral body. THIS ASTRAL BODY IS GOING TO OTHER
> WORLDS. *It is said it is this astral body appear in dreams*. The astral
> body is formless and least visible to the naked human eye.
>
> 5 Principle of swargam.
>
> The principle of swargam is there in all religions. Only in charvaka
> siddantham, the principle of swargam is not there. Charvaka siddantham or
> yukthivadi chinthana is irrespective of religions.
>
> 5a. a definition of heaven
>
> In most religions, Heaven is a realm, either physical or transcendental in
> which *people who have died continue to exist in an afterlife.*
>
> Heaven is often described as the holiest place, accessible by people
> according to various standards of divinity, goodness, piety, faith or other
> virtues.
>
> Religions that speak about heaven differ on how one gets into it,
> typically in the afterlife. *In many religions, entrance to Heaven is
> conditional on having lived a "good life" (within the terms of the
> spiritual system).*
>
> 6. Do every body go to heaven?
>
> In Hinduisam, there is *the reincarnation theory*. This means the soul
> after death leaves the physical body and go to other worlds with a subtle
> body. This subtle body has the remembrance of the last birth with a
> physical body. After suffering for the bad works, the body will be
> leaving for upper worlds.
>
> 7. Who is lord Yama?
>
> Lord Yama is the person who controls the nether worlds. The different
> hells are said to be in the nether worlds. Lord Yama is assisted by Chitra
> Guptha in his duties. Both of them are considered divine. Yama is called
> Dharma deva. We have a chitra guptha temple at Kancheepuram. Yama is
> Dharma deva, brother of saneeswara born to Soorya deva.
>
> 8. Belief about heaven
>
> Many religions state that those who do not go to heaven will go to
> another place, Hell, which is eternal in religions such as Christianity.
>
> Some religions believe that other afterlives exist in addition to Heaven
> and Hell, such as Purgatory <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory>,
> though many hells, such as Naraka, serve as purgatories themselves. Some
> belief systems contain universalism
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism>, the belief that everyone
> will go to Heaven eventually, no matter what they have done or believed on
> earth. Hinduism follows it.
>
> In Buddhism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism> there are *several
> heavens*, all of which are still part of *samsara*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsara> (illusionary reality). Those who
> accumulate good karma <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma> may be reborn
> in one of them.
>
> *However, their stay in the heaven is not eternal—eventually they will use
> up their good karma <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma>** and will
> undergo a different rebirth
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_(Buddhism)>** into another realm,
> as humans, animals or other beings.*
>
> Because heaven is temporary and part of *samsara*, Buddhists focus more
> on escaping the cycle of rebirth and reaching enlightenment
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana> (*Nirvana*).
>
> 8a. Hindu cosmology
>
> According to Hindu cosmology, *above the earthly plane are six heavenly
> planes:*
>
> 1. Bhuva Loka,
>
> 2. Swarga Loka, meaning Good Kingdom, is the general name for heaven in
> Hinduism, a heavenly paradise of pleasure, where most of the Hindu gods
> (Deva) reside along with the king of gods, Indra, and beatified mortals.
>
> 3. Mahar Loka 4. Jana Loka 5. Tapa Loka and
>
> 6. Satya Loka.
>
> 9. Near death experience
>
> People who come close to death and have near death experiences
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience> report MEETING
> RELATIVES or entering "the Light" in an otherworldly dimension, which share
> similarities with the religious concept of Heaven. {Is it the reason
> three generations of mother and father side is referred in sraadha??}
>
> Even though there are also reports of distressing experiences and
> negative life-reviews, which share some similarities with the concept of
> Hell, the positive experiences of meeting or entering 'the Light' is
> reported as an immensely intense feeling state of love, peace and joy
> beyond human comprehension.
>
> Together with this intensely positive feeling state, people who have near
> death experiences also report that consciousness or a heightened state of
> awareness seems as if it is at the heart of experiencing a taste of 'Heaven'
>
> My note- Though I wrote the above recently I read in internet near death
> experience is different from Death experience
>
> 10. Do every body go to swarga?.
>
> *Yes is the answer*. Yamaloka is a temporary residence to experience
> suffering for bad activities. But no body’s activities are fully bad.
> Combined
> with every bad activity there will be a good activity.
>
> 11Do a person can be so pure?
>
> No body do all good. There is no person who has not killed a mosquito or
> unknowingly walked over an ant and killed it. Just cutting brinjal and
> finding a worm, throwing it and the worm get killed is also a killing. There
> are no persons doing all good because it is impossible in the universe
>
> 12. Bhishmar and Dharmaputhra
>
> Bhishmar forcibly brought Amba, Ambika and Ambalika and asked chitraanga
> and Vichithra veerya to marry and the request of Amba later was discarded
> by him because of the oath he has taken.
>
> For Dharma puthra *chess was a weakness* and he even pledged Panchali
> in the chess play. He had no authority to pledge a common wife. Dharma
> puthra and bheeshama killed many in the war. It is ascribed as
> Kshathriya dharma.
>
> Even *Kamsa would had been good brother to Devaki till the asareeree came*
> that 8th son born would kill him.
>
> 13. Sraadha and tharpan
>
> As I wrote earlier, naraka or hell life in Hinduism is temporary. After
> that they are placed in pithruloka. *Since pithru has remembrance of past
> life, our sraadha and tharpan is accepted.*
>
> Even in the life with physical body we experience more pain similar to
> what is told about Naraka in occasions. Often we use the expression- Naraka
> Vedana, (Pain as in the hell) when pain is more.
>
> When we perform pithrukarya best possible, Lord Yama may be noting how
> best we have done to our pithru. This adds to our punia and help the pithru.
>
>
> Some where I have read in Deivathin kural, like a money order sent
> reaching the person correctly as the karma we do for the pithru reach
> them through mediators.
>
> 14. What happens to pithru in pithruloka?
>
> *In pithru loka there is no suffering, but food is not served. Hence
> hunger is not met*.
>
> There may be many heirs who do not perform sraadha. But those who do
> include “jnatha anjatha pithrus”. Our pithrus will share their meals to
> them.
>
> When a Kartha dies and srardha is performed, only three generation
> including him are called during pithruvaranam. One pithru gey promotion and
> goes to swarga.In swarga feeding is there. Hence no question of hunger.
> I hope at least this explanation may be accepted by respected Member
> Sri Rajaram IRS *who defend my statements every occasion** .*
>
> Or any other explanation like when a kartha died, that one generation
> still remain among Jnatha Anjatha pithrus. He is not reaching heaven????
>
> 15. Gaya sraadha and mukthi
>
> With Gaya sraadha, *the devas whom the pithrus worship understand the
> heirs have looked after the pithrus well and they can be uplifted to swarga
> *(Vishnu pada performances of sraadha). Pithrus reach swarga.
>
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