Pranam
As usual the analysis management engineer writes"Being compilation ... from
two members. If he is writing a letter to his son I have no rights at
all. But he has the claim of "I as a rooster crows and so only then the SUN
shall rise " and wants others who do not think so to sleep more; it is
incorrect; irrespective of the rooster's call,SUN will rise. And so it is
for the Rooster to close down the call and the rooster's thoughts if
ambiguous shall be met with the glaring evidence , correcting the
voluminous fallacies.
The Earliest record of Kanchi is 2 century BC according to Mr G. This is
not only erroneous but calling Kashi as yesterday's birth place. One who
writes on Puranas, had he really studies all of them would have known that
the answer of the ANON or himself is wrong. "ayodhyA mathurA mAyA kAshI
kA~nchI avantikA | purI dvArAvatI chaiva saptaitA mokShadAyikAH ||
Seven cities in India correspond to seven centres or chakras in our body:Kanchi
corresponds to the swadhisthana chakra situated behind the genitals, as the
presiding deity here is Kamakshi. (Source – artofliving site)Kanchipuram or
Kanchi is a famous temple city in Tamil Nadu known as ‘the city of thousand
temples.
Pushpeshu jati, purusheshu Vishnu Naarishu Rambha, Nagareshu Kanchi.This
jingle is attributed to Kalidasa, a connoisseur of places who might have
seen enough of Kanchipuram more than a three millennium ago to come up such a
crisp verse. Certainly, for over two thousand years, Kanchipuram has been
laying down layers of the finest in culture. Even though these earlier days
have largely to be surmised, there is plenty of historical documentation
about the Pallavas and Cholas, who had a big hand in building the city and
its environs.
The original name of Kanchipuram was Kachchi Managar. There have been
different interpretations of the word *kanchi*. The Sanskrit term
denotes a woman’s waist-girdle. This place was also known as Tondaimandalam
in ancient Sangam literature, in which it is referred to as a forest of
kanchi (river portia) trees. The city itself is referred to as Kachchi in
works like *Manimekalai*.
Chronicles of Xuanzang, the Chinese pilgrim who visited Pallavas
court, that the city was under the influence of Ashoka, the Mauryan emperor
in 3rd century BC. ( 2300 years old). Xuanzang had also noted
that Buddha had visited this place. Jain and Buddhist temples and stupas of
the Chola Dynasty reign have been recorded but mostly do not exist on
ground.
2 Kanchi tribe is mentioned in the Mahabharata Thus,When the sage
Vasistha was attacked by king Viswamitra’s army, Vasistha’s cow, Kamadehnu,
brought forth from her tail, an army of Palhavas, and from her udders, an
army of Dravidas and Sakas; and from her womb, an army of Yavanas, and from
her dung, an army of Savaras; and from her urine, an army of Kanchis; and
from her sides, an army of Savaras. And from the froth of her mouth came
out hosts of Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous
tribes of Khasas and Chivukas and Pulindas and Chinas and Hunas with Keralas,
and numerous other Mlechchhas.(*In the ancient Indian literature, cow is a
symbol of earth or land. Thus the myth mentioned above simply means that,
these tribes gathered for the protection of sage Vasistha’s land against
the army of king Viswamitra)(*Mahabharata, Book 1, Chapter 177) {>5000
years old}.
3 The influence of Bharatavarsha is amazing. The people of India, then
called Bharatavarsha, migrated to all parts of the world,
East,Southeast,South,West, North, Northwest of India. The migration seems
to have been from the South mostly The return of the descendants of these
migrants was from the North through the Khyber Pass. Another group
traveled towards the east, south east part of Asia from the south. However
some archeological evidence suggests that the migration to Southeast Asia
was earlier. Now there is literary evidence from Chinese and Indian sources
that the Mekong Delta was called the Funan Kingdom.. The area included here
had Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam. Considering the evidence being
reproduced below and the fact that a Korean Queen was from Ayodhya, it
stands to reason that the influence of Bharatavarsha was very great in the
ancient times. The Mekong Delta was ruled by Funan Kings.(68-150) The Funan
Kingdom was founded by Kaundinya,a Brahmin from Kanchipuram,Tamil Nadu. (
So earliest is a very long era) KR IRS 261021
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 11:26, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Pranam
> As usual the analysis management engineer writes"Being compilation ... from
> two members. If he is writing a letter to his son I have no rights at
> all. But he has the claim of "I as a rooster crows and so only then the SUN
> shall rise " and wants others who do not think so to sleep more; it is
> incorrect; irrespective of the rooster's call,SUN will rise. And so it is
> for the Rooster to close down the call and the rooster's thoughts if
> ambiguous shall be met with the glaring evidence , correcting the
> voluminous fallacies.
> The Earliest record of Kanchi is 2 century BC according to Mr G. This
> is not only erroneous but calling Kashi as yesterday's birth place. One who
> writes on Puranas, had he really studies all of them would have known that
> the answer of the ANON or himself is wrong. "ayodhyA mathurA mAyA kAshI
> kA~nchI avantikA | purI dvArAvatI chaiva saptaitA mokShadAyikAH ||
>
> Seven cities in India correspond to seven centres or chakras in our
> body:Kanchi
> corresponds to the swadhisthana chakra situated behind the genitals, as the
> presiding deity here is Kamakshi. (Source – artofliving site)Kanchipuram
> or Kanchi is a famous temple city in Tamil Nadu known as ‘the city of
> thousand temples.
>
> Pushpeshu jati, purusheshu Vishnu Naarishu Rambha, Nagareshu Kanchi.This
> jingle is attributed to Kalidasa, a connoisseur of places who might have
> seen enough of Kanchipuram more than a three millennium ago to come up
> such a crisp verse. Certainly, for over two thousand years, Kanchipuram
> has been laying down layers of the finest in culture. Even though these
> earlier days have largely to be surmised, there is plenty of historical
> documentation about the Pallavas and Cholas, who had a big hand in building
> the city and its environs.
> The original name of Kanchipuram was Kachchi Managar. There have been
> different interpretations of the word *kanchi*. The Sanskrit term
> denotes a woman’s waist-girdle. This place was also known as Tondaimandalam
> in ancient Sangam literature, in which it is referred to as a forest of
> kanchi (river portia) trees. The city itself is referred to as Kachchi in
> works like *Manimekalai*.
> Chronicles of Xuanzang, the Chinese pilgrim who visited Pallavas
> court, that the city was under the influence of Ashoka, the Mauryan emperor
> in 3rd century BC. ( 2300 years old). Xuanzang had also noted
> that Buddha had visited this place. Jain and Buddhist temples
> and stupas of the Chola Dynasty reign have been recorded but mostly do not
> exist on ground.
> 2 Kanchi tribe is mentioned in the Mahabharata Thus,When the
> sage Vasistha was attacked by king Viswamitra’s army, Vasistha’s cow,
> Kamadehnu, brought forth from her tail, an army of Palhavas, and from her
> udders, an army of Dravidas and Sakas; and from her womb, an army of
> Yavanas, and from her dung, an army of Savaras; and from her urine, an army
> of Kanchis; and from her sides, an army of Savaras. And from the froth of
> her mouth came out hosts of Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and
> the barbarous tribes of Khasas and Chivukas and Pulindas and Chinas and
> Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas.(*In the ancient Indian
> literature, cow is a symbol of earth or land. Thus the myth mentioned above
> simply means that, these tribes gathered for the protection of sage
> Vasistha’s land against the army of king Viswamitra)(*Mahabharata, Book
> 1, Chapter 177) {>5000 years old}.
> 3 The influence of Bharatavarsha is amazing. The people of India,
> then called Bharatavarsha, migrated to all parts of the world,
> East,Southeast,South,West, North, Northwest of India. The migration seems
> to have been from the South mostly The return of the descendants of these
> migrants was from the North through the Khyber Pass. Another group
> traveled towards the east, south east part of Asia from the south. However
> some archeological evidence suggests that the migration to Southeast Asia
> was earlier. Now there is literary evidence from Chinese and Indian
> sources that the Mekong Delta was called the Funan Kingdom.. The area
> included here had Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam. Considering the
> evidence being reproduced below and the fact that a Korean Queen was from
> Ayodhya, it stands to reason that the influence of Bharatavarsha was very
> great in the ancient times. The Mekong Delta was ruled by
> Funan Kings.(68-150) The Funan Kingdom was founded by Kaundinya,a Brahmin
> from Kanchipuram,Tamil Nadu. ( So earliest is a very long era) KR IRS
> 261021
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 08:34, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> *QUES ANSW DIVINE 31*
>>
>> *Dear friends, *
>>
>>
>>
>> *These are information posted by members compiled as QA by me in
>> 1998’s-2000’s and stored in my computer. At this date I have no information
>> of the members posted. *
>>
>> *Being compilation there may be errors.*
>>
>> * I am emphasising once again these are information posted very early by
>> members....** Many find it useful as seen from the responses*
>> * Those thinking it is rubbish may kindly delete the mail than making
>> unwanted **comments on me**.*
>>
>> * I am fed up with the unwanted responses from two members.*
>>
>> *Posted by R Gopala krishnan,78 ,on 26-10-2021*
>>
>> *Q1 Everybody knows about Kanchipuram- the temple city. Where do we have
>> the earliest record of it?*
>>
>> *A1 Kanchipuram is a city with a history of nearly three millennia. Its
>> earliest recorded history is found in a reference made in the 2nd century
>> BC in the Sanskrit classic 'Mahabhaashya' authored by Patanjali, who also
>> had codified the system of yoga.*
>>
>> *'Manimekalai', the eternal Tamil poetic** work written in the same
>> period, says this was a learning centre for Buddhists as well. At the time,
>> this was a habitation within a stone fort.*
>>
>> *Q2 What are the digvijayas of sankaracharya?*
>>
>> *A2 These digvijaya travels may be said to have begun from the time of
>> Sankara's **leaving the sacred city of Kasi. *
>>
>> *Biographies of Sankara tell about Sankara's visit to Prayag, Badrinath,
>> Kashmir and to a number of places in the south such as Chidambaram,
>> Madhyarjunam, Jambuke-svaram, Srirangam, Rameswaram, Tirupati and to many
>> other sacred spots lIke like Dwaraka in the west coast and Puri Jagannath
>> on the eastern coast. *
>>
>> *Sankara's yatra to Kailasa, the abode of Lord Siva, is one of the most
>> notable events in the history of the Acharya*
>>
>> *He had darshan of Lord Paramesvara and Devi Parvati. According to
>> tradition, Sankara adored Paramesvara by singing two hymns, known as
>> "Sivapadadi-kesanta stotram" and "Sivakesadipadanta stotram", Immensely
>> pleased with Sankara's prayers, Paramesvara blessed Sankara, presented him
>> with five sphatika (crystal) lingas and instructed him to arrange for the
>> worship of the Ifngas Iingas for the sake of the welfare of the universe,
>> indicating also the mode of worship. *
>>
>> *Paramesvara also handed over to Sankara the palm-leaf manuscript of
>> Soundarya Lahari, which is noted as Siva's own hymn in praise of the
>> Parasakti.*
>>
>> *Q3 Where do Sankaracharya installed the spatika lingas got from Lord
>> Siva?*
>>
>> *A3 From available biographical information, it is learnt that
>> Sankaracharya placed one of the five sphatika lingas got at Kailas, the
>> Mukti Linga in the temple at Kedarnath, and that he consecrated the Vara
>> Linga at Neelakanta Kshetra in Nepal.*
>>
>> * With the other three, he returned to the south. He placed the Bhoga
>> Linga for being worshipped at the Sarada Peetha in Karnataka and he sent
>> the Moksha Linga to Chidambaram for being worshipped In the temple of Sri
>> Nataraja in that sacred place, He kept the Yoga Linga for his own personal
>> worship and for his successors at Kanchi. *
>>
>> *References to the places where the five-sphatika lingas were established
>> for worship are found in Anantanandagiri's biography and in Markandeya
>> Samhita Bhagavatpada Sankara *
>>
>> *Kanchi city was remodeled by Sankaracharya and also caused the
>> reconstruction of the three principle temples of Kanchi viz., the temples
>> of Sri Ekamranatha, Devi Kamakshi and Sri Varadaraja with the assistance of
>> Rajasena, ruler of Kanchi. Sankara consecrated the Srichakra before Devi
>> Kamakshi and thereby secured Her bounteous grace on devotees having Her
>> darshan. *
>>
>> *Q4 This is a controversial subject – Where is the sarvanja peetham?
>> Where did Sankaracharya attained Mukthi?*
>>
>> *A4 A significant event in the history of Sankaracharya is his occupying
>> the Sarvajna Peetha -the Throne of Omniscience at Kanchi. *
>>
>> *Cidvilasa's Sankaravijaya -Vilasa, Govindanantha's Sankaracharya
>> Charitam and Rajachudamani Dikshita's Sankarabhudaya, narrate the Acharya's
>> ascending the seat of Omniscience at Kanchi, in South India. *
>>
>> *Sankara Bhagavatpadacharya returned to Kanchi, the Southern Mokshapuri,
>> towards the end of his earthly career and shook off his moral coils in that
>> sacred city. A number of works state these facts. Verse 46 of the sixteenth
>> chapter of the ninth section of the voluminous Sanskrit work "Sivarahasya
>> his attaining siddhi (eternal bliss) at his own ashrama in Kanchi. *
>>
>> *Markandeya Samhita, an ancient puranic treatise, A verse, in the seventh
>> parispanda of the 72nd khanda 01 this work, relates that the Mahatma,
>> Sankara, attained the cit-svarupa, He attained eternal bliss at Kanchi,
>> after having consecrated Kamakshi. *
>>
>> *Anantanandagiri's biography of Sankara (all versions printed and
>> manuscripts, including the Madras University edition) says "The World
>> Preceptor (Sankara) desiring to leave for his own abode, sitting once in
>> the Moskhapuri of Kanchi, absorbed his gross body into the subtle one and
>> getting reduced into the size of a thumb, attained eternal bliss and
>> remains at the all-pervading "Cit" to this day". *
>>
>> *A Report on Search for Sanskrit Manuscripts in South India, by Dr.
>> Hutzch, a German scholar, (published by the Government Press, Madras in
>> 1905 -No.2146, Part III) Some verses are found in this list about Adi
>> Sankaracharya. The verses relate that after traveling widely Sankara
>> reached Kanchi of his own accord, consecrated Kamakshi and attained final
>> beatitude at Kanchi itself*
>>
>> *The Bengali Visvakosa (Hindi Edition), an encyclopedia, gives the
>> information under the word Kanchi as the place where Sankara attained
>> Siddhi. *
>>
>> *Pandit Mahamahopadhyaya Gopinath Kaviraj has stated that the temple of
>> Kamakshi at Kanchi is famous and in that temple there is the stone icon of
>> Sankara and that is the lace where he attained Siddhi"*
>>
>> *My note- There are versions he climbed sarvanja peetam at Kedaranah-
>> Uttaranjl and mukti also there*
>>
>> *Q5 This is a controversial subject – Where are all the Sankara matams
>> established by Sankaracharya?*
>>
>> *A5 A History of South India" written by Professor K. A. Neelakanta
>> Sastry, published by Oxford University (1955) and 'World Religions -A Study
>> in Synthesis" state that Sankara established Mathas at five important
>> centres- Dwaraka, Kanchi Puri, Badri and Sringeri. *
>>
>> *Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan (Bombay) has published a short work by name
>> "Indian Chronology", written by Or. O.S. Triveda, Ph.O. {1959). The work is
>> a mere compilation of dates of historical events and personages from
>> ancient times, In page 91 of the work, dates are given for establishment of
>> five institutions by Sankaracharya. There it is stated that the Kamakoti
>> Peetha at Kanchi was founded on Vaisakha Sukla Full Moon in Kali Saka 1620
>> = 482 B.C., with Sri Sankara Bhagavatpada himself as the first Acharya. *
>>
>> *Sri S. Subrahmahya Ayyar, Acting Chief Justice of the Madras High Court
>> and Justice V. Bhashyam Ayyangar, in their judgement in the appeal case
>> (1903) reported in I.L.R.27, Madras (435) have observed, "No less than
>> seven Mutts being among the most celebrated ones owe their origin to the
>> great Advaita Philosopher, Sri Sankaracharya". *
>>
>> *Justice P. Satyanarayana Rao and Justice Rajagopalan, in their judgement
>> in C.M.P.2591 of 1951 (reported in 1952, 1.M.L.J. 557) have declared,
>> "Tradition has it that he (Sankaracharya) founded four mutts - Sringeri in
>> Mysore, Badrinath in the Himalayas, Jagannath Puri in the East and Dvwaraka
>> in the West. He himself assumed the headship of the Sarvajna Peetha at
>> Kanchi." *
>>
>> *It may be interesting to read about a Sankara Math at the sacred city of
>> Kasi. This is known as Sumeru Math and as Paduca Math. It is presided over
>> by an Advaita Dandi Sanyasi. *
>>
>> *In some authentic works, only one monastic institution is spoken of. *
>>
>> *The Sankaracharya Carita by Govindanatha, and the Sankarabhyudaya of
>> Rajachudamani Deekshita, there is no mention about any Matha or Peetha
>> except the Sarvagria Peetha at Kanchi. *
>>
>> *The ancient and voluminous work "Sivarahasya” , gives a brief sketch of
>> the Acharya's life *
>>
>> *A verse in the "Sivarahasya" states that Sankara came to the earth in
>> haste after obtaining the five sphatikaliringas and attained siddhi eternal
>> bliss at His own Asrama at Kanchi. *
>>
>> *The Chengleput District Gazetteer, published by Charles Stuart, I.E.S.,
>> in 1879** A.D. gives the following piece of information: "The first of
>> these wandering controversialists was Sankarachari, who wandered all over
>> India, establishing the dying religion , Saivite faith and fanning the
>> persecution before which the last disciple of Sakya fled. He paid
>> particular attention to Conjeevaram where he worked many miracles and
>> founded a matham or monastery". (Chengleput District Gazetteer -1879 -
>> Ethnological, Religious and Social, pages 86 & 87.) *
>>
>> *Q6 Do Mandana Misra stayed at kancheepuram?*
>>
>> *A6 The presence of a street till recently under the name of Mandana
>> Misra Agraharam, and the presence of a stone icon of Sri Sureswaracharya
>> inside the Sri Kanchi Kamakoti Sankaracharya Math (which is in daily
>> worship) confirm the connection of Sri Sureswaracharya with Kanchi Sankar
>> Math and his videha mukthi at Kanchi. *
>>
>> *Sri Sarvajnatman : After having conquered the leaders of many heretic
>> sects prevalent in many parts of India, Sri Sankara Bhagavatpada reached
>> Kanchi, the southern Mokshapuri to spend the evening years of His life in
>> that holy city. *
>>
>> *One of the famous incidents of Sri Sankara's stay at Kanchi is his
>> Sarvajna Peethahoranam or ascending the seat of Omniscience.*
>>
>> * On knowing about this, scholars from various parts of the Tamil regions
>> gathered at Kanchi to witness the grand event. Among those, a band of
>> scholars from Brahmadesam and its neighbourhood had a debate with the
>> Acharya on Deva bedha, Moorthybedha, etc. By his clear exposition of the
>> Advaita doctrine, the Acharya silenced their arguments. *
>>
>> *After the successful ascending of the Sarvajna Peetha, Sri Sankara was
>> attracted by a boy of 7 summers to be very precious. He sent word for the
>> parents of the boy. They came with their son and bowed before Sri Sankara.
>> Then the great Acharya expressed His wish to nominate the little boy as his
>> successor to the Kanchi Peetha. The parents greatly rejoiced and agreed to
>> the Acharya's proposal. Thereafter the Acharya initiated the boy Into
>> sanyasa asrama, gave him the deeksha name of Sarvajnatman. *
>>
>> *The Bala Sanyasi was put under the care of Sri Sureveswaracharya. Sri
>> Sarvajnatman presided over the Sri Kanchi Sankaracharya Math for a long
>> number of years.*
>>
>> *Q7 An interesting Question- Do the second Upaveetha has to be worn from
>> the time of marriage?*
>>
>> *A7 Unfortunately against the popular thinking the answer is a Big NO.*
>>
>> *After a young man has to completed his gurukulavasa and performed the
>> samavartana he has to wear a "double sacred thread
>> <http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part19/referp19.htm#DOUBLE%20SACRED%20THREAD>
>> ".*
>>
>> * He must discard the marks of his student-bachelorhood - the staff, the
>> antelope skin, the girdle - and wear the pancakaccha and an upper cloth.*
>>
>> * As a celibate-student he was not permitted to use any footwear; he
>> could not also adorn himself with sandal-paste, ear-studs and flowers. *
>>
>> *He may now even darken his eyes with lampblack. Adorning himself and
>> putting up his umbrella he must approach the king or a royal
>> representative. The latter must be impressed by his learning and the
>> quality of his brahmacarya. The young must acquire [from the king or the
>> royal representative] money and material as a gift for his marriage, so say
>> the sastras. *
>>
>> *Q8 An interesting Question- Do the marriage expenditure are to be born
>> by the Girls parents?*
>>
>> *A8 One point that emerges from this is that the marriage expenses are to
>> be borne by the groom or his parents. *
>>
>> *A second point is that a young man who has had samavartana must wear the
>> "double sacred thread" and pancakaccha even if he remains single after the
>> proper conclusion of his student-bachelorhood he has to prepare to become a
>> householder**.*
>>
>> *Q9 Do the marriage is important? Do all people can accept celebesy-
>> sanyasa??*
>>
>> *A 9 YES YES is the answer to the first question. *
>>
>> *The Brahmin is born with three** debts: he owes a debts to the sages,
>> to the celestials and to the fathers. *
>>
>> *He repays the first by learning the Vedas as a student-bachelor; the
>> second by taking a wife and performing sacrifices; and the third by
>> begetting a son. *
>>
>> *So without marriage he cannot repay the second and third debts.*
>>
>> *Sons are primarily intented for the repayment of the debts to the
>> fathers. Performing the sraddha ceremony is not enough. Forefathers of the
>> past three generations are to be made to ascend from the manes. So even
>> after a man dies, for two generations the daily libations must be offered
>> to him. That is why the birth of a son is considered important.*
>>
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