Pranam There is a member in this group who always call by names in an indecent manner thinking that he is vasishta; and he feels that when i addressed the vadhyars of incorrigible nature, as a self professed Veda learned and practitioner ,did nothing but using with filthy ink NETI NETI ; am I the one who said like that? Chandogya upanishad had seen so many like him even 5000 years back and compared them to dogs; this is called the UDGITA OF THE DOGS SVANA. Adishankara and kanchi mutt had written about it. So sishyas should watch such carefully. KR IRS 31/01/22
Chandogya Upanishad on bad priests IGNORANCE IS BLISS A QUESTION MARK; Bad priests who were pretending without any characters were described in the upanishads as under: तत्रोद्गातॄनास्तावे स्तोष्यमाणानुपोपविवेश स ह प्रस्तोतारमुवाच ॥ १.१०.८ ॥ tatrodgātṝnāstāve stoṣyamāṇānupopaviveśa sa ha prastotāramuvāca || 1.10.8 || 8. There at the sacrifice, he found those [the udgātṛs <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/udgatri#hinduism>] who were singing the [Sāma <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/sama#hinduism>] hymns and took a seat among them. Turning to the one who was singing the prastāva <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/prastava#hinduism>, he asked: प्रस्तोतर्या देवता प्रस्तावमन्वायत्ता तां चेदविद्वान्प्रस्तोष्यसि मूर्धा ते विपतिष्यतीति ॥ १.१०.९ ॥ prastotaryā devatā prastāvamanvāyattā tāṃ cedavidvānprastoṣyasi mūrdhā te vipatiṣyatīti || 1.10.9 || 9. ‘O Prastotā <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/prastota#hinduism>, if you recite the prastāva <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/prastava#hinduism> without knowing anything about the god to whom this hymn relates, your head will fall’. अथ हैनं यजमान उवाच भगवन्तं वा अहं विविदिषाणीत्युषस्तिरस्मि चाक्रायण इति होवाच ॥ १.११.१ ॥ atha hainaṃ yajamāna uvāca bhagavantaṃ vā ahaṃ vividiṣāṇītyuṣastirasmi cākrāyaṇa iti hovāca || 1.11.1 || 1. Then the prince performing the sacrifice said, ‘Sir, I would like to know who you are.’ He [Uṣasti] replied, ‘I am Uṣasti, the son of Cakra <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/cakra#hinduism>’. स होवाच भगवन्तं वा अहमेभिः सर्वैरार्त्विज्यैः पर्यैषिषं भगवतो वा अहमवित्त्यान्यानवृषि ॥ १.११.२ ॥ sa hovāca bhagavantaṃ vā ahamebhiḥ sarvairārtvijyaiḥ paryaiṣiṣaṃ bhagavato vā ahamavittyānyānavṛṣi || 1.11.2 || 2. He [the prince] said: ‘I looked for you, revered sir, to give you all the work of the priests. As I could not find you, I entrusted the work to other [brāhmins]’. अथातः शौव उद्गीथस्तद्ध बको दाल्भ्यो ग्लावो वा मैत्रेयः स्वाध्यायमुद्वव्राज ॥ १.१२.१ ॥ athātaḥ śauva udgīthastaddha bako dālbhyo glāvo vā maitreyaḥ svādhyāyamudvavrāja || 1.12.1 || 1. Now, an udgītha <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/udgitha#hinduism> [to food] sung by dogs. The story is: Baka <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/baka#hinduism> Dālbhya <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/dalbhya#hinduism>, who was also known as Glāva Maitreya <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/maitreya#hinduism>, went one day to a quiet place to study the scriptures [the udgītha]. तस्मै श्वा श्वेतः प्रादुर्बभूव तमन्ये श्वान उपसमेत्योचुरन्नं नो भगवानागायत्वशनायामवा इति ॥ १.१२.२ ॥ tasmai śvā śvetaḥ prādurbabhūva tamanye śvāna upasametyocurannaṃ no bhagavānāgāyatvaśanāyāmavā iti || 1.12.2 || 2. A white dog appeared before him, as if he wanted to do the sage a favour. Then several other smaller dogs came to the white dog and said: ‘O Lord, please sing for us. We are hungry and we want some food’. तान्होवाचेहैव मा प्रातरुपसमीयातेति तद्ध बको दाल्भ्यो ग्लावो वा मैत्रेयः प्रतिपालयांचकार ॥ १.१२.३ ॥ tānhovācehaiva mā prātarupasamīyāteti taddha bako dālbhyo glāvo vā maitreyaḥ pratipālayāṃcakāra || 1.12.3 || 3. [The white dog] replied, ‘All of you meet me here tomorrow morning.’ Baka <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/baka#hinduism> Dālbhya <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/dalbhya#hinduism>, who was also known as Glāva Maitreya <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/maitreya#hinduism>, waited there too [for the white dog]. *Tān*, to them [the other dogs]; *ha uvāca*, [the white dog] said; *iha eva*, here; *prātaḥ <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/prata#hinduism>*, tomorrow morning; *mā upasamīyāta iti*, all of you come to me; *bakaḥ <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/baka#hinduism> dālbhyaḥ <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/dalbhya#hinduism> glāvaḥ maitreyaḥ <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/maitreya#hinduism> vā*, Baka, the son of Dalbha, who was also known as Glāva, the son of Mitrā <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mitra#hinduism>; *pratipālayāñcakāra*, waited [for the white dog]; *tat ha*, there. The smaller dogs were obviously very hungry, so why didn’t the white dog sing immediately? He asked them to come back in the morning because the morning is the best time to sing the udgītha <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/udgitha#hinduism>. In the afternoon the sun turns away from us. He is the one who gives us food, and if he has already begun to turn away, it is too late to ask him to give us anything. Morning is the time when we are face to face with him, and that is why morning is the best time to make a request of him. The sage Baka came early the next morning also and waited for the white dog. ते ह यथैवेदं बहिष्पवमानेन स्तोष्यमाणाः संरब्धाः सर्पन्तीत्येवमाससृपुस्ते ह समुपविश्य हिं चक्रुः ॥ १.१२.४ ॥ te ha yathaivedaṃ bahiṣpavamānena stoṣyamāṇāḥ saṃrabdhāḥ sarpantītyevamāsasṛpuste ha samupaviśya hiṃ cakruḥ || 1.12.4 || 4. Just as those who recite the hymn called *bahiṣpavamāna* move forward while touching each other, so the dogs also did the same. Then, sitting down, they said *him*. When sages sing the hymn *baḥiṣpavamāna*, they join their hands together, or otherwise touch each other, and then they move forward. The dogs did likewise. Each took the tail of the one in front in its mouth and started moving. Finally they sat down and uttered the sound *him*. ओ३मदा३मों३पिबा३मों३ देवो वरुणः प्रजपतिः सविता२न्नमिहा२हरदन्नपते३ऽन्नमिहा २हरा२हरो३मिति ॥ १.१२.५ ॥ ॥ इति द्वादशः खण्डः ॥ o3madā3moṃ3pibā3moṃ3 devo varuṇaḥ prajapatiḥ savitā2nnamihā2haradannapate3'nnamihā 2harā2haro3miti || 1.12.5 || || iti dvādaśaḥ khaṇḍaḥ || 5. ‘Om, we will eat. Om, we will drink. Om, Deva <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/deva#hinduism> [the sun], Varuṇa <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/varuna#hinduism>, Prajāpati <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/prajapati#hinduism>, Savitā <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/savita#hinduism>, bring us food here. O Lord of food [the sun], bring us food here. Bring us food here. Om’. This verse is also known as the *hiṃkāra*. The sun is the only thing that shines, so he is called here *deva* (that which shines). Varuṇa is the deity who gives rain, and Prajāpati protects all beings. Because Āditya <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/aditya#hinduism>, the sun, gives birth to all, he is known as Savitā. It is, in fact, Āditya who at one point gives us light, and at another gives us rain. It is because of him that there is food. This is why we ask him to bring us food (*anna <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/anna#hinduism>*). As a mark of special respect, and also urgency, the request is repeated. *A ridicule and satire on egotistic nature of priests*[edit <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chandogya_Upanishad&action=edit§ion=9> ] The tenth through twelfth volumes of the first Prapathaka of Chandogya Upanishad describe a legend about priests and it criticizes how they go about reciting verses and singing hymns without any idea what they mean or the divine principle they signify The 12th volume in particular ridicules the egotistical aims of priests through a satire, that is often referred to as "the Udgitha of the dogs". The verses 1.12.1 through 1.12.5 describe a convoy of dogs who appear before *Vaka Dalbhya* (literally, sage who murmurs and hums), who was busy in a quiet place repeating Veda. The dogs ask, "Sir, sing and get us food, we are hungry". The Vedic reciter watches in silence, then the head dog says to other dogs, "come back tomorrow". Next day, the dogs come back, each dog holding the tail of the preceding dog in his mouth, just like priests do holding the gown of preceding priest when they walk in procession. After the dogs settled down, they together began to say, "Him" and then sang, "Om, let us eat! Om, let us drink! Lord of food, bring hither food, bring it!, Om!". Such satire is not unusual in Indian literature and scriptures, and similar emphasis for understanding over superficial recitations is found in other ancient texts, such as chapter 7.103 of the Rig Veda. Chandogya Upanishad, states, "More than once we have the statement that ritual doings only provide merit in the other world for a time, whereas the right knowledge rids of all questions of merit and secures enduring bliss". Let me add that the Chandogya Upanishad warns us about those who do not understand that the rite is about paradox and regeneration, and not the actual mechanics of the theatre. It compares the ritual of such people, who look only at the outer performance, to the Udgitha of the dogs. That is what *Vaka Dalbya (also called Glava Maitreya)* saw of the dog udgita (C.U.1-12) (commentary of Adi shankara) xii) In fact the rituals become ineffective as the Incompetent priests are called flops and the Sacrifice becomes a farse (Kanchi kamakoti peetam). KR IRS 31/01/22 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZook9qqQdHS4dLK1rnqWFoD4afDgVz09kAFgcaUUW_VzhA%40mail.gmail.com.
