Pranam
Charaka smrithi clearly says what is good life; one conduct advocated
is lack of vanity; when one is crossing even if a King crosses the peasant,
if the King does not have the vanity, then he will give way first to the
peasant. So control is discipline and vedas do enforce all. It is not the
control but the execution out of the greed and superiority complex. It is
difficult to follow but if done it is a blissful life. It is not utopia. KR
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On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 13:43, Ranganathan V <[email protected]> wrote:
> Control and order is not in conflict with ahimsa. Himsa we are talking
> about is a case of rampant physical injury inflicted and not social
> control for maintaining order and restraint .
>
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 1:06 PM, Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Ahimsa as a lifestyle is fine. But the problem is the conflict with
>> individual freedom and social norms. No one can be absolutely free without
>> controlling someone. If I want to walk a narrow path I need to make another
>> in the same path to step aside, which is himsa to him. This kind of
>> conflict is escalated in a society which then prescribes rules to follow
>> which are then himsa to those who do not like those rules. So controls are
>> required to enforce compliance which means more himsa by punishing and
>> jailing offenders. Even the origin of the current war is such controls -
>> Russia wants to control and restrict the freedom of Ukraine to join NATO
>> and so uses power to enforce compliance. It will be difficult to find an
>> equilibrium which will avoid such conflicts. Even satyagraha will end up in
>> violence and himsa to the protestors.
>>
>> On Sunday, 6 March, 2022, 11:16:30 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Pranam
>>
>> AHIMSA (NON VIOLANCE)
>>
>> Ahiṃsā (अहिंसा).—Non-injury. There are opinions both in favour of and
>> against Ahiṃsā in the purāṇas. Śukrācārya extols the importance of Ahiṃsā
>> to the asuras (demons) thus:
>>
>> "bho! devaripavaḥ satyaṃ bravīmi bhavatāṃ hitam ahiṃsā paramo dharmo
>> hantavyā hyātatāyinaḥ dvijairbhogaratairvede darśitaṃ hiṃsanam paśoḥ
>> jihvāsvādaparaiḥ kāma—mahiṃsaiva parā matā."
>>
>> "Oh, foes of the devas, I shall tell you the truth which is good for you.
>> Non-injury to any living being is the most righteous thing. Do not molest
>> even those who come to kill you. Even that act would be 'hiṃsā' (injury). It
>> was those brahmins who were attached to worldly pleasures and addicted to
>> overeating that enjoined in the Vedas that hiṃsā is permissible for yāgas."
>> (Devī Bhāgavata, Skanda 4). Mārkaṇḍeya Muni (sage) says thus: "Why
>> should I mind the innumerable killings going on unnoticed in this world
>> full of life. People of old speak very sacredly about Ahiṃsā. But O best of
>> brahmins, who can live in this world without injury to another life?"
>> (Mahabharata, Araṇya Parva, Ślokas 32 & 33, Chapter 208). Yes sir EASILY
>> SAID THAN…..History is wars and Vedas advocate ahimsa. Krishna is for
>> Ahimsa or else would not have begged for Pandavas, 5 houses at least; but
>> war is inevitable, where PUTIns are born; and MODI slide down this time,
>> whatever reason one may adduce. If China were threat to India who cannot be
>> won, then prestige of a nation is waste. Either there should have been
>> effective status to fight any nation or call a spade a spade even if a
>> friend. Lot of money given to Russia is a lame excuse. India is the cause
>> of millions fleeing and 1000s dying. Another ludicrous move is admitting
>> the Ukrainian part doctors to Indian institutions; again a wrong foot;
>> Stalin walks over Modi so easily, pretending to have accomplished a lot
>> where Modi lost the craftsmanship.
>>
>> 2 Charaka samhitao sutra 20 to 60 advocates the way of life to lead
>> in peace, where ahimsa is advocated as under extracted:
>>
>> “ As far as Caraka <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/caraka#ayurveda> is
>> concerned, an ethically virtuous life will be a healthy and a happy one.
>> So he gives elaborate moral prescriptions which are conductive to good
>> health and happiness. From the point of view of one's mundane and spiritual
>> well-being, he advocates to hold back from urges relating to evil deeds. A
>> wise person should refrain from greed, grief, fear, anger, vanity,
>> shamelessness, jealousy, extreme attachment, and malice. One should not
>> use harsh and untimely words. One should not engage in violence or immoral
>> contact with women, theft, and persecution. Injury to living beings (*hiṃsā
>> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/himsa#hinduism>*) is a sin and so
>> it will affect one's longevity. So non-injury (*ahiṃsā
>> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/ahimsa#hinduism>*) is prescribed
>> as a way of increasing ones life (*ahimsā
>> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/ahimsa#hinduism> prāṇavardhanaṃ*).
>>
>> One should avoid such sinful persons in character, speech, and mind as
>> well as those who are quarrelsome and those who make vicious remarks about
>> others. The greedy, the envious, the cruel, the fickle minded as well as
>> those who indulge in defaming others, those who associate with the enemies,
>> those who are devoid of compassion, and those who do not follow the
>> virtuous course of life are also to be avoided. Caraka further advises to
>> associate with wise, learned, and matured persons as well as with men of
>> character, fortitude, and self-concentration. So also one should make
>> association with those who know the real nature of things and are full of
>> equanimity, who direct us in the right path, who are good to all beings,
>> and who are peaceful and content. The better way is to give up the
>> unwholesome habits and to develop wholesome habits steadily and
>> gradually. He must improve himself by a series of ideological and
>> behavioural self-identifications.”
>>
>> KR IRS 6322
>>
>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 09:48, Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Easily said than done.
>> Reminded of Tiananmen
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
>> Better strategy for the affected people maybe che's toolkit
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_Warfare_(book)
>>
>>
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