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Pranam Iskcon did bhakthi more than the money as many in that are rich and became an Iskcon giving up their money. When people go to Iskcon one can see polite movements and no demand for money; they collect donations and ask you and walks off unlike canada contributor descriptions. They are not jihadis KR IRS 26722 On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 10:57, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < [email protected]> wrote: > I have been to the ISCON temples in Bangalore and Vrindavan among others, > and have listened to some of their lectures besides attending their Pujas. > Since I have studied BG and also have listened to Swami Dayananda > Saraswathi ji, Swami Parthasarathy ji (both disciples of Swami > Chinmayanandaji) Swamijis from Sri Ramakrishna Mutt (R K Mutt) and others, > I don't think anything is drastically wrong in Iscon's teachings. > > Yes, opinions can and will differ on their interpretations and we will > take that version which unifies us all, particularly the Hindus, as we are > a divided lot, but let us not cast aspersions unnecessarily. > > Their emphasis is more on Bhakthi, Krishna Bhakthi that is, as exemplified > in their singing and dancing, sometime rapturous. This is also one form of > Bhakthi as people have different tastes and not everyone can listen to > lectures on concepts like Self Realization. Iscon follows Bhakthi Yoga > while others like Swami Chinmayananda's followers preach Gnana Yoga. R K > Mutt follows the route of service first and then spread Gnana Yoga. > > Like all others, Iscon also needs money and I find nothing wrong if they > ask for monetary help in helping to spread Hinduism and one can always go > to their offices and donate instead of giving it to an unknown individual. > I do it, to the extent I can. Small trickles make a flood. > > I feel they are doing a great job in spreading Krishna Awareness and I > support anybody who helps Hinduism. Let us point out shortcomings, if any, > to their offices than pulling them down as we will be the sufferers > ultimately, given the scale and reach of conversions. Let us not commit > Harakiri. > > N Sekar > > > On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 03:43:51 AM GMT+4, APS Mani <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Well said, in a few countries, they are prohibited from preaching! > > Mani > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 4:19 AM Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Sri Gopalakrishna > > Thanks. > > The bhakthivedanta movement, or International Society For Krishna > Consciousness, founded in 1966 in New York by Prabhupaada (Great Rich Man's > Foot), is a non-conformist ultra-modern rebel vaishnavaite splinter > (parasitic?) organisation which pretends to be based on bhagavath-geetha > and on bhaagavatha puraanam. > > But in truth it merely twists Lord Krishna's message and misrepresents its > own aggressive and revolutionary version of a Christianity-like evangelical > creed of ardent converts who follow practices akin to noisy disco-dancing, > who terrorise members of the public into donating money and materials for > its missionary activities, and who treat everyone else as heathens. > > When I was in Canada once with my family, I was approached in the public > park by a burly white man in orange robes and shaven head with a little > pigtail, who demanded contributions in the name of "guru dakshina" and held > out an imitation brown coconut shell. > > When I asked for what archana-abhishega-homam or other kriya is dakshina > sought, when was its done, by whom, and in whose name, he slunk away with a > grin. > > Yes, I have a copy of "Bhagavath-Geetha As It Is" published by ISKON which > renders its own misinterpretation of the Lord's teaching of the path of > duty and salvation of the soul. > > Please do not trust these ISKON imposters and bullies. Thanks again. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > > On 24 Jul 2022, at 9:03 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Respected sir, > Thank you for reading the posting and to your response. I have read this > in ISKON books also. Regarding authority I am not sure. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Sunday, 24 July, 2022 at 04:11:22 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear folks > > With due respect to well-meaning Sri Gopalakrishnan, both versions are > pure poppycock, and should be rejected in toto. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On 23 Jul 2022, at 9:09 PM, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > *DIVINE STORIES 07-2022-07* Dear friends, > I have started posting a few divine stories. Hope these stories could be > refreshing. These were stored in memory device earlier after reading > from different websites. *There are variations in these stories as > heard popularly.* Gopala Krishnan 23-7-22 *Lord Krishna Meets Radha* > > When Krishna was a little boy of four or five, his father, Nanda, took him > to the field where the cattle were grazing. Krishna wanted to spring a > surprise on his father, *so he created a severe thunderstorm*. It began > to rain heavily and the trees were tossing wildly Although Krishna was > responsible for the storm, he pretended that he knew nothing. He started > crying and screaming, and he clung to his father for protection. > > Nanda was trying desperately to protect his child and also the cattle. He > found that he could not manage to do the two things simultaneously, and so > he was in a terrible predicament. *He had to save his dearest child and > again, he had to save the cattle*. Nanda could see no way to bring both > the cattle and the child home safely. > > All of a sudden, a most beautiful woman appeared. Nanda was very > relieved to see this unknown woman who had come at such a crucial moment. > “Would > you kindly take care of my child?” he asked. “I must take the cattle home > now. Then I will come back. I am sure that you will be able to protect > my son*.“Do not worry. I will definitely take good care of your child,”* > the woman assured Nanda. Nanda departed for home with the frightened > cattle. > > When Krishna and the woman were alone together, Krishna did something > extraordinary. He created a most enchanting scene and took the form of a > youth. This youth was dark-skinned; he wore an orange cloth and on his > forehead there was a > peacock feather. In his hands, he held a flute which he was playing so > hauntingly. Krishna looked at the woman and asked her, *“Do you remember > this incident, when we were in Heaven?”* > > The unknown woman was Radha, who was Krishna’s dearest beloved. Radha > replied, “I do remember this incident. It is very vivid to me.” > > Krishna was showing Radha a scene from their life together in Heaven > before they took incarnation on earth. He wanted to remind Radha of their > eternal oneness .The time was fast approaching for Krishna’s father to come > and take his son home. > > Krishna stopped the performance in Heaven and became a little child again. > He started crying pitifully for his father to come and claim him. > > After some time, Nanda had still not appeared and Radha became very > worried. She was wondering what to do when she heard a voice telling her > to take the child to Nanda’s house. > > Radha was so sad and miserable that she had to return Krishna to his > parents after being reunited with him on earth. She was afraid that she > would not > be able to see him anymore. But the voice told her, “Take the child back > to Nanda and Yashoda*. * > > > *If you listen to me, I assure you that you will be able to go and see > your Lord Krishna every evening.* You will meet him and he will play his > flute for you. *A part of your heart will always remain with him At that > moment, there appeared **Brahma**, the Creator.* > > For 60,000 years he had been praying to the Highest only to have a glimpse > of Radha. In his meditation, he had seen Krishna and Radha together on > earth and he was deeply moved. So he came personally to see Radha, who > was the embodiment of the Universal Force > > Radha obeyed the inner message that she had received from the voice and > took the child back to Nanda’s house. After that, she used to come and > visit Krishna every evening That is one version of how Lord Krishna and > Radha met for the first time. > > > There is another version of the story. > > In this second version, it is believed > that Radha’s father was a very rich king. When Radha was still a little > girl, he decided it was time for her to get married. He made all the > necessary > arrangements for her to marry a neighbouring prince. > > But Radha did not want to get married; she wanted only to be with Krishna. > So she took her soul out of her body and kept only a portion of herself, a > shadow of her real existence, inside her body. The prince for whom she > was intended married the shadow > > *Radha transported her soul to Nanda’s family because she knew that Lord > Krishna was being brought up there*. She took birth in Nanda’s family, > and she and Krishna became brother and sister, closer than the closest. 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