In view of different lectures from different groups as they want many good things are missing. It is OK if it is a chit chat. Chit chat means in one forum, a "narada" having an email address ( suspected to be spurious but learnt but may even be a muslim insulting the Hindu diplomatically) asked *तपस्वी कां गतोअवस्थामिति स्मेराननाविव। **गिरिजायाः स्तनौ वन्दे भवभूतिसिताननौ।।tapasvim kam gatho avstam iti, smerona navita:; girijaayaa stano vande bhavabhoothi sitananow//. and asked for the meaning. One scholar wrote without going behind the meaning it is not Bhavaboothi the poet; but rendered the etymology as *भवस्य भूत्या सिते आनने ययोः तौ।= bhavasya boothya site aanaye yayo thou, bhavasya boothya is bhaboothya and not bhavabhuti. But This verse is taken from the quote in Subhashitani. An dthie poet who wrote the verse had used many poets' names in his treatise as birthrhari etc. Ofcourse one meaning as Bhavaboothi will be something and etymologically another meaning by splitting Bhavasya. Another rendered the meaning in Hindi as " Here is the meaning of the verse. *तपस्वी कां गतोअवस्थामिति स्मेराननाविव। **गिरिजायाः स्तनौ वन्दे भवभूतिसिताननौ।। *महादेव के शरीर के भस्म से जिसके आगे का भाग श्वेत हो गया है। ऐसे पार्वती के दोनों स्तन ‘यह तपस्वी अब कैसा कामी हो गया है’ यह सोचते हुए हँस रहे हैं। उन्हें मैं प्रणाम करती हूँ।" In English it says"Whose front part has become white due to the ashes of Mahadev's body. Both the breasts of such Parvati are laughing thinking 'how despicable this ascetic has become now'. I bow down to him.``. Bhavasya bhuta is welfare if used as feminine and if used in masculine it is a male poet. Now the issue is the question raiser ought not to have brought in a forum, such a simple meaningful verse, if literate; but a person who wants to write Linga as ....like Wendy Doniger does exist on the eaRTH. sO ALSo PEOPLE LIKE N and G; why G brought it under the Q and A which does not carry that subject at all?. Because he wanted not to bring my kanchi mutt explanation about the poem Manisha panchakam, which clearly answered all your queries from the 2+5 verses of Shiva and Sankara; chandala is the word used; Siva shot the words you had written; and Sankara said HE IS MY GURU IN 5 LINES OF THE 5 VERSES; and only after Shive presented himself he knows him as Shiva; the Manisha arose because, Sankara doubted the chandala; he said that if words of self realisation were spoken then one cannot be a chandala; also in that Panchakam, Sankara confirms that there is no brahmin by birth which N will contest as a Muslim jihadi. And because you are dwelling only within iyer you or sekar may not have the chance to read mine. And all the I am thinking i was thinking and i have only heard etc might not have arisen at all. Splitting, devicing , making innocent remarks in one column and feining in anoither are not forum characters at all. Thank you. And why would one waste time for gosssipping?. KR IRS 30123
On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 at 00:36, Rama <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear GK Ji, > Reference your connotation about Sankaracarya bowing to Chandalan. You are > right . This happened when Sankaracharya realised that Chandala was > teaching him his own philosophy of Advaita Vedanta and prostrated before > Chandala and composed Manisha Panchaka. The preface of the story was when > Chandala appeared and was standing in the way of Sankara who then asked him > to move away. The Chandala questioned "Who exactly are you asking to move > far from you ? My body or My Ataman? How do you differentiate when all > bodies are made of the same 5 elements? " Sankaracharya realized that > Chandla was none other than Lord Shiva in disguise to test him . > This is what I also read. > I am still perplexed as to why Sankara mutt letterheads either from > Sringeri or Kanchi captions as "Sri Narayani Namosthuthe" and not Öm Namah > Shivaya" > Please enlighten. > Cheers > Rama > > > > On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 at 11:56, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Dear folks >> >> So, the combative and aggressive Vaishnavites should be allowed to get >> away with their blasphemous insinuation and implication that Vishnu has his >> feet on the head of Lord Shiva whereby the sacred river Ganga flows down in >> her imputed avathaaram of Kaveri through Karnataka and Tamil Naadu instead >> of originating from Gangothri in the Himalayas and flowing through >> Varanasi-Kaasi to the Bay of Bengal? >> >> And those equally if not more blasphemious pagan-chandaalan others who >> sinfully trumpet their Satsang-saints-Swamijis and charlatans' gospel that >> the various vaahanams of our revered gods and goddesses are nothing but >> predators and prey for one another -- should also go scot-free? >> >> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >> >> On 30 Jan 2023, at 8:55 AM, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Respected sirs, >> >> What I have *read *in the incident of Chandala not giving way to >> AAdisankara and arguing, Sri Sankaracharya could make out the chandala was >> not an ordinary person and Lord Siva in disguise. So Sankaracharya bowed >> him understanding he was Lord Siva. >> >> Gopalakrishnan >> >> On Monday, 30 January, 2023 at 06:14:15 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Dear folks >> >> *"Not long ago, I saw a video where a Bishop was telling his >> congregation to ensure brahmins are driven away so the Hindu culture will >> be destroyed and then our Religion." -- *N Sekar . >> >> To complement what foreign invaders and sworn enemies of our religion >> such as evangelist bishops and mullahs do, we have in our midst our own >> saboteurs who delight in following their chosen blaspheming Satsang-Saints, >> Swaamijis, and other charlatans and excel in ridiculing Lord Shiva, Lord >> Mahaa Vishnu, Lord Ganesha, Lord Subrahmania, Goddess Paarvathi, Goddess >> Mahaalakshmi and their respective vaahanams as objects of contempt and >> derision. >> >> We also have those who pervert the truth by saying that the sacred river >> Ganga came from the feet of Vishnu, and did not originate as Aakaasha Ganga >> brought down to Earth by the prolonged and strict austerities of Rishi >> Bhaageeratha, was caught in the matted locks of Lord Shiva, has its source >> on Earth in Gangothri in the Himalayas, and flows through Varanasi-Kaashi, >> and ends up through the Sandarbans in the Bay of Bengal. >> >> Plus, we have the persistent perverts who insist that jagadguru Sri Aadi >> Shankaraachaarya has a chandaalan as his guru and not Sri Govinda >> Bhagavathpaada. >> >> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >> >> On 29 Jan 2023, at 9:58 PM, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks Sri G K. >> Re Q4: >> Chennai and Tamizh Nadu still occupy a central place as far as our >> religious and cultural activities go, though for how long is a moot >> question, if the DMK is in power. >> >> The famous "Margazhi Maha Utsav" or the " Music Festival", and the Music >> concerts and other cultural activities during mid November to December >> still attract overseas Indians, esp brahmins. Many if not most, come from >> the U S. It is still considered a privilege to be able to perform at the >> Chennai Sabahs, during this period. Just about 15 days back we were in >> Thanjavur and saw a lot of our people and quite a liberal sprinkling of >> foreigners also, who had come for the Music Festival but stayed on for the >> Thiruvaiyaru Thyagaraja Aradhanai. The hotel was fully booked. >> >> Chennai still boasts of traditional music - Carnatic Music, and it us >> heartening to see young talent. But with the Missionaries trying to >> systematically destroy our culture, with a friendly State Govt, it is not >> easy going for us. >> Not long ago, I saw a video where a Bishop was telling his congregation >> to ensure brahmins are driven away so the Hindu culture will be destroyed >> and then our Religion. >> >> Chennai's charm us in its culture, not to forget its temples - by Chennai >> I also include the state of T N where appropriate. >> >> N Sekar >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 at 6:36, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> *CULTURAL QA 01-2023-29* >> >> *BEING A COMPILATION THERE MAY BE ERRORS* >> >> Q1 Why do American trains have "noses" at the front of the >> locomotives but European, for example, don't? >> >> A1 Jay Snead, retired researcher, amateur philosopher Jan 21 >> >> *American trains are typically longer and wider to accommodate more >> freight**, while European trains are shorter and narrower to allow for >> more nimble movements and quicker acceleration*. European railways have >> tighter curves and the tunnels and bridges have smaller clearances. >> Likewise, American locomotives are longer, taller, and wider than their >> European counterparts. *The American locomotives have much greater >> distances to travel, and are pulling much heavier trains than their >> European counterparts.* >> >> The hood on American Locomotives is there because the longer frame has >> room for it. Engineers like having some crumple space in front of the >> cab in case of collisions with vehicles and other trains. The shorter >> European trains seldom have the length needed to add this safety measure. >> >> For the same reason most American semi-trucks have a hood, while most >> European trucks do not. European cities have tighter turning requirements >> and require a shorter truck. >> >> *My note- I recollect buses in Kerala had the hood in* front, difficult >> to read the destination, petrol engine and many could get vomiting >> sensation, when I was about 7-10. We used to call it Mookranchi >> >> Q2 What foods did potatoes replace when they were brought to >> Europe? >> >> A2 Matt Riggsby, MA Archaeological Studies, Boston University >> Wed >> >> They didn’t really replace anything. That is, *there’s nothing people >> stopped eating because potatoes were available instead.* >> >> That said, *potatoes grew into a niche leading to a relative decline in >> the consumption of some other crop*s. Notably, whereas before the >> introduction of the potato most people got most of their calories from >> starchy cereal grains like wheat and barley, potatoes moved into that >> niche, with some people getting most of their calories from potatoes and >> many getting a substantial portion of their calories from them, accompanied >> by grains. >> >> *Human consumption of turnips probably declined somewhat, but it was >> usually a food for the poor anyway*. It just so happens that potatoes >> started to come in around the time Europeans started using four-field crop >> rotation techniques, which involved growing more turnips, which were fed >> to livestock, so there was something of a shift in turnip usage, but not >> necessarily because of the introduction of the potato. >> >> Q3 What is the reason that the maximum cooling temperature of >> air conditioners is 17°C only? >> >> A3 Pradip Chandra Bhattacharyya,PhD in Mechanical Engineering, >> University of Strathclyde (Graduated 1977)Updated 3y >> >> In 1963, the ASHRAE - KSU sponsored project at the Institute for >> Environmental Research, KSU, US, studied thermal comfort levels for >> clothed sedentary subjects. >> >> Results showed that for such subjects comfortable situation ranged from 16.7 >> to 36.7 deg C, (62 to 98 F). >> >> This might have motivated the AC manufacturers to adopt the lowest >> temperature level as 17 deg C. This standard has come to India as well, >> like many other things. >> >> My LG split AC has a setting range of 18–30 deg C only. >> >> Q4 How much has Chennai transformed in your lifetime? >> >> A4 Kadambi Seshasayee, Lives in Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India >> (1962–present)Jan 14 >> >> *I have been in Chennai since 1962 till now, with some absences for 12 >> years*. The absences only highlighted the changes since I had left. Let >> me break this up into two parts: The city’s place in India and the >> world, and a personal view as a Chennai-wasi. >> >> Chenai’s place in the world: >> >> In the 60’s and even the 70’s, Chennai was the leading metropolis of the >> south. Bangalore was still a retiree’s haven, a PSU factories location, >> and fairly compact. *Chennai had the only international airport, had >> connectivity by sea to Singapore, Malaysia and Sri Lanka. *It was also a >> place where most (say 90% ?) of all southern movies were shot in all >> southern languages; Very conservative but influential on the national >> scene. The first migrants to US had started, and IIT Madras (along with >> IISc) was the premier engineering institution. most of whose students >> made a beeline to US. Those days, people referred to the four metros- >> Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta and Madras. >> >> Since 2010, Chennai has been losing its mojo and its premier place among >> southern cities. Bangalore has pushed it to the second place in the >> south. It is no more in a predominant position- people refer to the *three >> metros- Mumbai, Delhi and Bengaluru*. In population too, it lags behind >> Bangalore. At the center, Tamil Nādu has lost any influence it had before, >> and it is basically ignored. International flights now take off from >> about eight cities in the south, and Chennai with its thrid-rate airport >> lags far behind Bangalore. >> >> But, Chennai, along with Tamil Nādu overall, leads on many fronts- GDP, >> Civic consciousness and cleanliness, still-bearble traffic ( Approximately >> one in two persons in Chennai owns a vehicle, and still it is not subject >> to horrendous traffic as in Mumbai and Bangalore, but it is catching up…) >> Industry-wise, >> it is among the top preferred locations in the country. It is a major >> center of Automotive and Engineering Industries and one of the leaders in >> IT. >> >> *Chennai from the individual’s point of view:* >> >> In the 70’s. Madras was a peaceful, quiet and highly cultured place, >> where the individual had a lot of space to achieve and shine. *As a >> student and young engineer, I had a great time*- great food (Buhari's >> was a great example); A cabaret where we would blow up our earnings- it was >> that costly (but not indecent); *Many theaters showing English movies; >> The peaceful beach and India’s first malls and hypermarket ( Alsa Mall and >> Spencers*) even the first multiplex (Safire with its three screens and >> the only non-stop movie house- walk in anytime and keep watching the movie >> as long as you want) . Importantly, we were treated to visiting musicians >> and Theater from abroad- jazz from USA, Symphonies from Germany etc. What >> not to love ? >> >> *Now, Chennai is a large, cosmopolitan city. It* boasts on many 5-star >> deluxe hotels, world cuisine- from Mediterranean, Singaporean and Japanese >> to Korean (The largest number of the last two in Indian cities) apart from >> the usual Thai, Chinese and ‘Pan-Indian” restaurants. You have a lot of >> expats and a whole ecosystem catering to them and pushing up prices >> (Restaurants again, Americal chain hotels, boutiques, high-end residences >> etc., ) like the other metros. *In spite of the vehicle and human >> population it still does not feel like a hurried metro like Mumbai or >> Bangalore.* The hospitality and kindness to strangers and newcomers has >> not gone down a bit. Leisure activities are many more- from the usual >> mall-hopping to high-end resorts on the East Coast Road. >> >> A few major issues persist- the local airport, the only one of two under >> Government control-and that is telling- is easily the worst among all >> Metros. Long before, Hyderabad and Kochi were far superior , and now Mumbai >> and Delhi and recently, Bangalore have joined them. But local transport >> is great- three types of trains- Metro, local ‘electric train’ that after >> 90 years carries a lot of traffic, and the MRTS. Even bus transport that >> can surely improve, provides basic service to people. The multiplexes >> are many, big and far cheaper than Mumbai or Delhi-prices controlled by the >> Government. >> >> Medical care is top class- from the hospitals catering to the poor to the >> high-end ones catering to foreigners, NRIs and expats. But for all this, >> it somehow feels provincial and lacks the glamour and feel of the other >> metros. But, there is great cultural and communal harmony, and a visitor >> or newcomer is made welcome. >> >> All in all, a very livable place. >> >> Q5 Why have Mumbai trains been overcrowded for so many years, >> and why is the government not doing anything about it? >> >> A5 Navnit Sourirajan,MURP in Transportation Planning, CEPT >> University - School of Planning (Graduated 2017)Updated 5y >> >> Your question has 2 parts and so my answer shall also consist of 2 parts >> >> Part 1: >> >> *Since you mentioned “so many years”, I will take* the last 4 decades. >> Let’s look at Mumbai’s population growth. >> >> 1971: 5,970,575 >> >> 1981: 8,227,382 >> >> 1991: 9,900,000 + 2,600,000 (Thané) = 12,500,000 (Greater Bombay) >> >> 2001: 16,368,084 (Greater Mumbai, incl. Thané) >> >> 2011: 18,394,912 Greater Mumbai, incl. Thane ) >> >> *Mumbai has grown phenomenally in terms of population and is one of the >> most densely populated areas in the world today.*So demographically it >> is a one of a kind place. >> >> *Now predominantly its a linear city in terms of its shape*. The island >> city is long and runs from north to south, This makes commuting very >> simple. You either go up or down, for the most part. This means that all >> the people either go up or down the city everyday and there is nowhere else >> to go, unlike Delhi. >> >> So the train services were running in the same direction, and it got >> people close to their jobs, with simply two or three routes, again unlike >> other cities, where people go everywhere and the city needs many different >> routes for trains/metros. >> >> Now, almost the entire city travels up and down just these 3 lines >> everyday. And as the city expanded so did the length of the lines, >> servicing more and more people. Naturally it got crowded. >> >> Part 2: >> >> Contrary to your belief, the Railways has been doing its best to improve >> it. >> >> First it increased the duration for how long the trains ran, today they >> run almost round the clock. The last train ends its run at 2 in the >> night, while the first train departs at 4 in the morning. >> >> Then they increased the number of services, and today *it runs 2500 >> trains each day*. This meant a gap of 3 minutes between trains. *This >> can’t be decreased, due to the signalling system and safety issue, so as to >> maintain the minimum gap between trains.* >> >> They have also increased the speed of trains, and the latest trains can >> do a top speed of 110 Kmph. Siemens rake fit and running at 100kmph since >> 2007. Bombardier rake fit for 110kmph and already running at 110kmph >> between Virar and Dahanu rd. >> >> *Then they increased the number of coaches in each train from 9 to 12 to >> 15 in some cases*. They could not go beyond this because the platforms >> are not long enough to accommodate the trains. >> >> What else can be done ? They can’t build new lines, because the demand is >> along only these lines. So can’t we increase the number of tracks ? That >> would be very difficult as that would involve acquiring land. (Considering >> Mumbai, i feel its almost impossible) >> >> *So are they not doing anything ? No.* >> >> This is the CRs recently developed control room. This enable a control to >> monitor the entire network at any point of time. And even more recently a >> new scheduling and signalling program is being *developed with IIT >> Bombay to reduce the frequency of the trains to 90 seconds.* >> >> All this will reduce the crowd to some extent, until more people move to >> the city and start using the service, and it becomes just as crowded. >> >> It is the world’s busiest urban public transport system, except for >> shanghai. And remember it is one of the oldest as well. Country’s first >> train ran between Roorkee and Piran Kaliyar in 1851 while train between >> Mumbai & Thane ran in year 1853 .Unless there is a complete over haul(which >> is practically impossible) the crowds will remain. >> >> The Mumbai metro’s Line 3 , which is being built from Colaba to Seepz, >> when opened, will take a little burden of the locals, but that is as far as >> it gets. >> >> We can do all that we can, but Mumbai will remain Mumbai. >> >> *All the above QA are from Quora website on 28-01- 2023.* >> >> *Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers .* >> >> *Compiled **and posted by R. 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