Welcome sir KR IRS 12 5 23 On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 19:06, Jambunathan Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Rajaram Krishnamurthy Ji. Really amazing . You always have > respect for others' quotes and analyse in detail and respond (both > Positive/negative). Love it Thanks again. > N Jambunathan Rengarajapuram-Kodambakkam-Chennai-Mob:9176159004 > > *" What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you > become by achieving your goals. If you want to live a happy life, tie it to > a goal, not to people or things "* > > > > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 6:12 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Humility is surprisingly empowering. Sincerely putting others first is an >> excellent way to get yourself ahead. Also, wwhen you decline to grab the >> credit for the good things you do, others will be much more willing to work >> with you. Quote from Mr J >> >> KR: Humility in B G: The Bhagavad-Gita (13.08 >> <http://bhagavadgitaclass.com/bhagavad-gita-chapter-13-text-08-12/>) >> lists humility as the first of the twenty qualities that comprise wisdom. >> Significantly, the Gita mentions humility in a negative way to convey >> its subtlety: *amaanitvam*, absence of the craving for respect. >> >> 1 amanitvam 2 adambhitvam 3 ahimsa 4 ksantir 5 arjavam 6 >> acaryopasanam 7 saucam 8 sthairyam 9 atma-vinigrahah 10 indriyarthesu >> 11 vairagyam 12 anahankara eva ca 13 janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi- 14 >> duhkha-dosanudarsanam 15 asaktir 16 anabhisvangah putra-dara-grhadisu >> nityam ca 17 sama-cittatvam 18 istanistopapattisu mayi 19 cananya-yogena >> 20 bhaktir avyabhicarini vivikta-desa-sevitvam aratir jana-samsadi (BG >> 13 8-12)( May be if sub divided 24 elements also) >> >> 20 qualities: 1 Humility; 2 pricelessness; 3 nonviolence; 4 tolerance; >> 5 simplicity; 6 approaching a bona fide spiritual master; 7 cleanliness; 8 >> steadiness; 9 self-control; 10 renunciation of the objects of sense >> gratification; 11 absence of false ego; 12 the perception of the evil of >> birth, death, old age and disease; 13 detachment; 14 freedom from >> entanglement with children, wife, home and the rest; 15 even-mindedness >> amid pleasant and unpleasant events; 16 constant and unalloyed devotion to >> Me; 17 aspiring to live in a solitary place; 18 detachment from the >> general mass of people; 19 accepting the importance of self-realization; 20 >> and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth – all these I declare to be >> knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance. >> >> Humility means that one should not be anxious to have the satisfaction >> of being honored by others. The material conception of life makes us very >> eager to receive honor from others, but from the point of view of a man in >> perfect knowledge – who knows that he is not this body – anything, honor or >> dishonor, pertaining to this body is useless. Nonviolence is generally >> taken to mean not killing or destroying the body, but actually nonviolence >> means not to put others into distress. People in general are trapped by >> ignorance in the material concept of life, and they perpetually suffer >> material pains. Tolerance means that one should be practiced to bear >> insult and dishonor from others. If one is engaged in the advancement of >> spiritual knowledge, there will be so many insults and much dishonor from >> others. Be tolerant and continue our progress with determination. >> >> Simplicity means that without diplomacy one should be so straightforward >> that he can disclose the real truth even to an enemy. Cleanliness is >> essential for making advancement in spiritual life. There are two kinds of >> cleanliness: external and internal. External cleanliness means taking a >> bath, but for internal cleanliness one has to think of GOD always This >> process cleans the accumulated dust of past karma from the mind. (5) >> >> Steadiness means that one should be very determined to make progress in >> spiritual life. Without such determination, one cannot make tangible >> progress. And self-control means that one should not accept anything >> which is detrimental to the path of spiritual progress. One should become >> accustomed to this and reject anything which is against the path of >> spiritual progress. This is real renunciation. The senses are so strong >> that they are always anxious to have sense gratification. If one can control >> the tongue, then there is every possibility of controlling the other >> senses. False ego means accepting this body as oneself. When one >> understands that he is not his body and is spirit soul, he comes to his >> real ego. Ego is there. False ego is condemned, but not real ego. In the >> Vedic literature (Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 1.4.10) it is said, aham >> brahmasmi: I am Brahman, I am spirit. This “I am,” the sense of self, also >> exists in the liberated stage of self-realization. This sense of “I am” *is >> ego, but when the sense of “I am” is applied to this false body it is false >> ego*. One should try to understand the distress of accepting birth, death, >> old age and disease. There are descriptions in various Vedic literatures >> of birth. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam the world of the unborn, the child’s >> stay in the womb of the mother, its suffering, etc., are all very >> graphically described. It should be thoroughly understood that birth is >> distressful. Because we forget how much distress we have suffered within >> the womb of the mother, we do not make any solution to the repetition of >> birth and death. Similarly at the time of death there are all kinds of >> sufferings, and they are also mentioned in the authoritative scriptures.. >> And as far as disease and old age are concerned, everyone gets practical >> experience. No one wants to be diseased, and no one wants to become old, >> but there is no avoiding these. As for detachment from children, wife >> and home, it is not meant that one should have no feeling for these. They >> are natural objects of affection. But when they are not favorable to >> spiritual progress, then one should not be attached to them. (10) >> >> Happiness and distress are concomitant factors of material life. One >> should learn to tolerate, as advised in Bhagavad-gita. One can never >> restrict the coming and going of happiness and distress, so one should be >> detached from the materialistic way of life and be automatically equipoised >> in both cases. Generally, when we get something desirable we are very >> happy, and when we get something undesirable we are distressed. But if we >> are actually in the spiritual position these things will not agitate us. >> (5) >> >> In short, the craving for respect from others is the force that drives >> most people. This craving originates from their false ego, which misleads >> them foundationally into believing that their self-identity is their >> material body. Additionally, the false ego also makes them imagine that >> their self-worth is the net worth of their talents and treasures, their >> positions and connections. It impels them to overtly and covertly display >> their assets before the world in the desperate hope of earning respect. >> When they don’t get the respect that they think is their right, they feel >> humiliated. Humiliation, then, is nothing but false ego frustrated. >> >> On the other hand, humility is an entirely different ball game, one that >> those shackled to false ego can scarcely comprehend. That’s because the >> driving force of the lives of the humble is not the craving for respect, >> but the longing to serve: That’s why they have no need for the pleasures >> that the false ego dangles before everyone. So, whenever the false ego >> tempts them, they are able to reject it determinedly and consistently. >> >> Now we have to decide what we are going to be; Let us go through >> the epics and Puranas where the avatars and the Sanathana dharma kings and >> Rishis lived. Rama could have stayed with all the humiliation of the forest >> without vying with the Surpanakha. He needs to have entered into remorse >> feelings and hunting all around for wife; after all, why would Ravanan and >> co be killed; Why such a learnt, from Guru Surya, shall burn the nation, >> just because, some ignorant, set fire to the tail? Why would Bharatha such >> a scholar should talk ill of mother; Why would one who taught the Vishnu >> sahasranama, to the world, should fight and beget the 3 women to be >> forcefully married to Kuru vamsam princes? Why would Janaka pay so much >> for cows and learn that Rishis holding heads high towards the GOD shall >> also receive them? Why would DRONAR go and beg King Drupada for a cup of >> milk and serve the retinue of Duryodhana and also train all the sons of the >> Kings? why would Draupadi laugh, knowing fully well, it is not humility to >> do so?. Thus, life is doing the present Karma and expending the past Karma. >> After all, Drona refused to teach Karna on discrimination. Bhishma remained >> silent on some pretext as composed even though he could have killed >> Duryodhana in one fight in the assembly itself, but did not. It was not >> humility. He had the knowledge. So why would Krishna in B G advocate all >> these 20 – 24 qualities? Simple. UNLESS YOU FOLLOW ALL THESE AS A WORM ON >> THIS EARTH, YOU ARE NOT WORTH TO ATTAIN THE REALISATION. ONCE DECIDED, THEN >> RENUNCIATE IN TOTO ALL. DO NOT SHOW YOUR POMP AND WEALTH, DANCE AND DO >> MAGICS. THAT IS WHY KARMAYOGA WAS HEIGHTENED; ONE NEED NOT GO TO PLACES AS >> 99% OF THE GODMEN CANNOT PART EVEN THEIR ROBE, WITHOUT ANYTHING IN RETURN; >> AND YOU FEED A BEGGAR ON THE STREET SO YOU ARE BETTER THAN HIM. THEN WHY SO >> MUCH OF QUEUE? BECAUSE CONSCIOUSNESS IS GUILTY AND TRYING TO SEEK REMEDIES >> UNDER THE SHELTER OF THOSE, AND THEY INTURN, LIVE A KING’S LIFE AS GODMEN. >> >> KR IRS 12 5 23 >> >> On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 16:13, Jambunathan Iyer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Humility is surprisingly empowering. Sincerely putting others first is >>> an excellent way to get yourself ahead. Also when you decline to grab >>> the credit for the good things you do, others will be much more willing to >>> work with you. >>> >>> >>> N Jambunathan Rengarajapuram-Kodambakkam-Chennai-Mob:9176159004 >>> >>> *" What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you >>> become by achieving your goals. If you want to live a happy life, tie it to >>> a goal, not to people or things "* >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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