Thank u but I am not a prodigy I think. I try to do my job in the best possible manner. Thanks again KR IRS 19 6 23
On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 at 00:44, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote: > Rajaram Sir, > I thank you for elevating my personal contemplations,not based on any > authoritative text in Psychology,but just my armchair write up,like all > other write ups of mine,to your ultimate High Brow discourse.My write ups > are my own completely and they cannot match the researched texts of the > subject Psychology.You,of course are a great prodigy,and I am lucky to have > come into contact with you. > YM > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 12:28 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Wrt YM ji's fear 15623 and my additions of thirukkural anjuvathu anjamai >> pethamai, 2 different thought processes are given. Mr Ramanth said instead >> of writing in 3 lines, so much on fera; but Mr Ramanath did not write those >> 3 lines at all and as usual, cryp[tically , written without any objective >> purpose. Our N had spoken something as,"Dear folks Agree completely with >> Sri Ramnath V. Fear occurs only through ignorance of the object feared. >> The cure is to learn all about the object and thus overcome the fear >> through knowledge." This is partly a good one though, never sited how and >> where to observe the cause of fear? By agreeing with Mr Ramanth, he went >> down in thought process, as never even said what are those >> preventive reasonableness is. And , both had not not rebutted the >> Tirukkural also. A supposition: Lion or Tiger is in front within a short >> distance; both will now think what is that object?; it is a lion; and what >> lion will do?; it may pounce; it may say Hello and go off; or it may eat >> him or him. Then without fear, if they stand there, they would be dead; if >> they run it can run faster than them and kill. If they climb trees, some >> animals can climb trees also. Who knows a python may be on that tree also. >> And after deeply thinking , having ascertained that the lion is sure to >> attack, will they have no fear at all? Lion may do it in 3 hits or even >> less than 3 lines to suck the blood. >> 2 The point of objective is correct; fear is the normal thing for >> any species. But just because it is natural does not mean it is >> essential for living. We fear things we do not understand. What we cannot >> understand we must try to understand. We can never fear the known – fear is >> always about the unknown. Fear is an emotion. It is born of the mind >> owing to various circumstances; it often leads us to miserable conditions. >> Nobody has ever suffered for the want of fear. If you care to disagree, or >> desire to suggest that “certain fears are good,” then probably you are >> confusing a Threat with Fear. So the threat might increase the >> adrenaline or fear, because knowing certain death or unknown emotions could >> kindle any enzymes. What is said here is from the artha sastra where the >> King is advised by Chanakya, who has all the forces around him to protect >> him; and *Artha Shastra *clearly states that “Fear is the sign of >> Ignorance*,*” and also, that “A leader with fear is bound to >> self-destruct, whereas a Leader without fear is bound to overcome all >> challenges.”. So an ordinary human being is not a king. So what Artha >> sastra says may not be applicable to a man facing the lion right on face. In >> the Vedic approach to Politics or *Rajaneeti *fear is recommended as the >> tool for making people abide by the law of the land. But a ruler is asked >> to “transcend all fears before even desiring position of power.”The >> power is defined as *Shakti *in *Artha Shastra*. A person deserving of >> power is called *Shakta. *According to *Shukracharya *in* Shukra Neeti *“A >> person with fear is *Ashakta* (i.e. a person undeserving of power.)” >> *Bharadwaja, *one of the pioneers of *Kootaneeti *explains “A >> *Shakti *can be attained and retained only through *Samarthya *(qualities >> of deservingness).” *Samarthya *is a Vedic *Sanskrit *word made of two >> words, namely *Sama *or *Balanced *and *Artha *or *Meaningful Wealth. * >> The *Artha *is made possible primarily by two aspects – *Gyana *or >> *Knowledge* and *Vigyana *or *Wisdom. *According to *Bhartrihari *it is >> extremely easy to spot a person without *Knowledge *and *Wisdom. *“A >> person without knowledge and wisdom,” he declares, “is ever fearful.” He >> even suggests “It is owing to fear that people generate *lust, anger, >> greed, infatuation, ego *and *envy.* Therefore, a person who is unable >> to check these *Arishadvargas *(or six detrimental qualities) are >> *Ashaktas *or *Undeserving of Power.*” Given these depths of wisdom on >> *Bhayam *or Fear, how are we to conquer or even transcend fear? Is it >> even possible? >> If you think you fear a person even though you know that person, >> think again. You fear that person because you consider that person to >> possess some power to hurt you, but you do not understand as to how to >> get back at that person. If you know a person inside out, you will >> certainly not fear him. The beauty of nature is such that it creates >> everything with a set of strengths and weaknesses. Knowledge helps us to >> understand that. Then, as long as you take time to understand >> him/her/it/they, will you not fear? All your knowledge and wisdom do not >> help you as an individual caught in flood(1918 Kerala) , caught in a >> quagmire, in front of a lion,virtual unemployment with a big family to >> support , debtors pulling out your wife and dresses to put you into shame. >> Fear may not solve the problem. But when you don't fear at that juncture >> where the escape route is sealed, the best Chanakya also must fear and >> cannot be thinking where, the easy solution is not available. >> Let's consider the ongoing global economic crisis resulting >> from the pandemic. A great many people are losing jobs, entrepreneurs are >> struggling to keep their companies afloat, politicians are scrambling to >> hold on to power, financial institutions are ailing and aiming to reduce >> their burden, and billionaires are trying to hold on to their billions. >> Amid this chaos, we are seeing only two sorts of predictable responses, >> namely: Fight or Flight. But to fight is being courageous and to flight is >> being out of fear, over the impending threat. So where the mind is without >> fear is perfect when the serenity exists; but where the time is less, fear >> must mount. If a woman would be accused of bad relations , even if she is >> not, she must act in such a manner, out of THAT fear, to save herself. >> Anjuvathu anjamai pethamai. >> >> This is what we learn from the Bhagavadgita. When you live >> for someone you love deeply or for a great cause, your fear and >> >> anxiety go away. Think of a mother, who prepares food for her child or a >> person who dies for his country, or someone who wants to save >> >> the planet of the animals. Dian Fossey lived her life and died trying to >> save the primates in Africa. Did she live in vain? Therefore, here is >> >> a formula for your personal and spiritual liberation, live for someone >> or something you can die for. We are subject to many fears. Fear is >> the most dominant emotion of our minds, which manifests in our lives in >> many ways. For example, we are afraid of many things, including >> >> cockroaches, lizards and bats. Fear of failure, fear of rejection, fear >> of loss are some of the most common fears we experience, which >> >> prevent us from venturing out of our comfort zones and taking risks. >> Because of fear many people settle for less. Their dreams remain >> >> dreams, as they sabotage their own success by indulging in >> self-destructive actions. Fear is also a major emotion we deal with when we >> >> start a new project or a business as we are overwhelmed with doubts and >> questions about our abilities and the results of our actions and >> >> decisions. The Bhagavadgita goes to the root of this problem and tries >> to address it on a lasting basis. It gives you a formula by which >> >> you can live without fear and experience peace and equanimity. Even in >> the midst of war Krishna says not to fear because it is not the >> >> lakshan of a kshatriya, meaning rest would fear. And as alast resort, >> kshatriya will only be killed and reach swarga. So fear is a subjective >> >> emotion where it has to be, must be abided by fear. >> >> நாம் அஞ்ச வேண்டிய (செயல்கள், காலம், மனிதர்கள்) விசயங்களுக்கு >> அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது மடத்தனம் ஆகும். அறிவற்றவர்களே அவ்வாறு செய்வார்கள். அதே >> சமயம் எதைக் கண்டு அஞ்ச வேண்டும் அதைக் கண்டு அஞ்சி அதற்குத் தகுந்தாற் >> போன்று நடப்பது அறிவுள்ளவர்கள் செய்யும் செயல் ஆகும் . நுணுக்கமாக >> சிந்தித்தால், இதை இரு வகையாக அர்த்தம் கொள்ளலாம். முதலாவதாக, நாம் பழி >> மற்றும் பாவங்களை தரக் கூடிய செயல்களை கண்டு அஞ்சி ஒதுங்கி இருப்பது >> இருப்பது நன்று. அவ்வாறு அஞ்சவேண்டியவற்றை கண்டு அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது மடமை என >> பொருள் கொள்ளலாம். அல்லது இரண்டாவதாக, உண்மையிலேயே யதார்த்ததிலே பயப்பட >> வேண்டிய இடங்களிலே பயப்படாமல் நடக்க முயல்வது அறிவற்ற செயல் எனவும் கருதலாம். >> உதாரணமாக நடு இரவில், தனிமையில் நிறைய பொருள் அல்லது நகையுடன் செல்வது, அஞ்ச >> வேண்டிய(திருடர்களுக்கு) செயல். அதற்கு அஞ்சாமல், மூடத்தனமாக நடப்போம். >> அதனால் அதற்கான விளைவுகளை சந்தித்தே தீர வேண்டி வரும். மேலும், >> செய்யவேண்டிய செயல்களை காலம் கடத்துவது தீய விளைவுகளை விளைவுக்கும் >> பெரியோரும் இகழுவர் என்பதனை நினைத்து அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது மடமையாகும். அதாவது >> செயல்களை / கடமையை காலம் தாழத்துவது மடமையாகும். ”*குறள்* *36 **அன்றறிவாம்* >> *என்னாது* *அறஞ்செய்க* *மற்றது* *பொன்றுங்கால்* *பொன்றாத்* *துணை* >> <https://dailyprojectthirukkural.blogspot.com/2016/06/kural36.html>” >> என்பதை நினைவில் கொள்க. அதே போல், படிக்கும் காலங்களில், ஆசிரியர்க்கு >> பயந்து நடப்பது, சிறு வயதில் பெற்றோருக்கு பயந்து நடப்பது, கடவுளுக்கு >> பயந்து நடப்பது போன்றவற்றை, நல்ல விஷயங்கள், அஞ்ச வேண்டிய விஷயங்கள் எனக் >> கூறலாம். எனக்கு மிகவும் பிடித்த ஒரு ஆங்கில மொழியை இக்குறள் நினைவு >> படுத்துகிறது. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom" >> >> It is unnatural to be natural in an unnatural situation. A >> normal human being gets agitated when circumstances become abnormal. >> Similarly, if a person is not afraid of things to be afraid, he is >> considered ignorant. We need to be cautious of things or events that bring >> negative consequences. Real knowledge is to be afraid of what is to be >> afraid. Knowledgeable people can differentiate between what is to be feared >> and what is not to be feared and act accordingly, assures Kural 428. >> >> Not to fear what should be feared is >> >> The wise know better. >> >> If one is not scared (i.e. not having fear) about things that ought to be >> scared/feared (for e.g., not scared of not doing work, time, people, not >> scared of bad/evil things) then that will be considered as stupidity. Only >> brainless people will do that. Knowledgeable people will know what to be >> afraid of and what not to be afraid of. One needs to be cautious of things >> or events that bring negative consequences. We have learnt before that >> fear is not a good thing. However, here the context is fear about not >> doing. Because being idle, procrastinating is not healthy, productive and >> good. Hence, one has to fear such a condition. Also, one has to fear about >> sin, bad consequences etc. If one is not scared of negative consequences, >> then they will take things for granted and it can lead to catastrophes, >> destruction, failures, loss of life/money etc which cannot be reversed or >> will take a lot of time, effort and money to rebuild. >> >> Can anyone understand in 3 lines, when someone is stating we have >> to analyse in front of the unknown, without even being able to cognise. In >> the USA yesterday someone reported a 10 feet tall object reported by the >> resident who ran away from that place; Can an ordinary person be standing >> before that unknown and keep analysing to understand however learnt he is? >> K Rajaram IRS 19 6 23 >> >> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 at 20:40, 'Shankar Narayanaswamy' via KeralaIyers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear folks >>> >>> Agree completely with Sri Ramnath V. >>> >>> Fear occurs only through ignorance of the object feared. The cure is to >>> learn all about the object and thus overcome the fear through knowledge. >>> >>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>> >>> On 16 Jun 2023, at 10:20 PM, Ramnath V <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hopeless write up! What one could write in three lines, the details are >>> useless. >>> >>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, 06:52 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers, < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Excellent write up sir >>>> Gopalakrishnan >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 15 June, 2023 at 06:29:13 am IST, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Mar** Fear* >>>> >>>> *Chronic fear is belief in failure. Most of us do not live in the >>>> present. We spend time introspecting. When we experience failure, it gnaws, >>>> we live retrospectively continuing the failure. We disable ourselves from >>>> living in the present.* >>>> >>>> *The internal communication system between and among the cells is the >>>> hormonal system. A hormone is simply the instruction from the brain to the >>>> cell to act in a particular way. When the brain cannot free itself from the >>>> memory of past failures, it automatically tells the cells that there is >>>> failure looming large and fear takes over. The fear ultimately becomes >>>> automatic reflex and it gets embedded as the repression. In repression, you >>>> cannot know why you are fearing or acting in a cowardly manner, because the >>>> repressed cause hides in the sub-conscious, and plays mischief without >>>> being caught. But it devastates your very capacity to live in the present. >>>> The negativism in the hormonal communication system becomes auto- matic.You >>>> develop the fear response as an automatic reflex--- the flight or avoidance >>>> or procrastination or chronic postponement response. It is the chronic >>>> inability of self control.* >>>> >>>> *It is a situation where your body does not obey your command. When >>>> someone beats you, you want to beat back, but to your horror and shame you >>>> find that you are shivering and running away. And you do not know why you >>>> are acting like the coward, though you don’t want to be a coward. The >>>> hormones no longer wait for fresh orders, they have standing instructions.* >>>> >>>> *If you want to remove the fear, it will be good, if you can actually >>>> catch the culprit hiding within you as a repressed criminal. By going to a >>>> good Psycho analyst you may be able to bring out the repressed or hiding >>>> cause and deliberately not allow it to do the mischief. You tell very >>>> vehemently your hormonal system to stop sending the fear generating >>>> hormones. You have to watch yourself and deliberately suppress the mischief >>>> of the hitherto unconscious memory.* >>>> >>>> *Then you have to practise self control through yoga. Here yoga means >>>> not only the health giving and other asanas but also repeatedly telling >>>> yourself some success mantra devised by you.* >>>> >>>> *That mantra must trigger the helping hormone or the positive hormones. >>>> Then you have to practise living in the present only. When you live in the >>>> present, you face problems instead of using the usual avoidance tricks like >>>> postponement or depressed surrender. You can live in the present and face >>>> the problems only when you believe in yourself and approve yourself. Do >>>> good things that get you certificate from yourself. Also give good >>>> certificates automatically where you find really good deeds, an >>>> appreciation is always appreciated and it helps your own positive hormonal >>>> system.* >>>> >>>> *You have to stop living retrospectively if you are suffering from >>>> failures. Experience and analysis never happen at the same time. All >>>> analysis is post mortem.* >>>> >>>> *If you ask me whether there is God, I automatically tell that there is >>>> God. Who is that God? In your case it is yourself. Make it a point to adore >>>> and show your bhakthi to your personal God—yourself. If you pray to him/her >>>> show your devotion and absolute belief, He/She will give whatever you want. >>>> So my dear God, start.* >>>> >>>> *Actually you do not experience any fear when the thing you fear is >>>> happening. Only you start fearing after remembering the event. Then you >>>> start dreading. Concentrate only on the objective or if possible on a >>>> mission you select, there are always barking dogs, and dogs bite only when >>>> you show fear, no dog attacks when it finds that you are courageous. >>>> Courage building is a lifelong affair; you have to continuously practice >>>> it, till it gets part of your internal hormonal communication.* >>>> >>>> *COURAGE IS NOT UNTHINKINGLY AND BRUTALLY BEATING SOMEONE.IT >>>> <http://SOMEONE.IT> IS THE OUTCOME OF THE CHRONIC ABSENCE OF SELF >>>> CONTROL....ACTUALLY CHRONIC FEAR, A BULLY CAN BE TAMED VERY EASILY.* >>>> >>>> *The best method of building courage, self confidence, and self >>>> esteem..., is to take up a mission that gives real help and happiness to >>>> many. Every small bit of success gives you an enormous dividend of self >>>> esteem. A Gautama Buddha or Ramana Maharshi never shouted or ranted or >>>> smirked happily at others problems. They tried to help. They understood >>>> sincere missions. But Hitlers always rave and rant and Hitler never had the >>>> courage to personally visit an extermination camp and ultimately committed >>>> suicide, because he was so definite that he could not answer, so much of >>>> embedded fear and self contempt in reality.* >>>> >>>> *YM* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> On Facebook, please join >>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>>> >>>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>>> >>>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/806848984.39204.1686792150824%40mail.yahoo.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/806848984.39204.1686792150824%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> On Facebook, please join >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>> >>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>> >>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAKmMQ1YMR2mbQhaCv_EGzj0chFCaALNAHQyohw4njZj8pcaD0g%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAKmMQ1YMR2mbQhaCv_EGzj0chFCaALNAHQyohw4njZj8pcaD0g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> On Facebook, please join >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>> >>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>> >>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/45432474-59A8-487E-ADCA-21E30210A18F%40yahoo.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/45432474-59A8-487E-ADCA-21E30210A18F%40yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> > > -- > *Mar* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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