The old monk Narayanasay who was so far duping his samooham, when ripped
open, started the filth flows at his stupid 97 years age. And the joke part
of all these , is some chamchas are there around him who prostrate which
again shows the know-how-bank they hold. And the funny part of it is, they
do not have courage against the local dhadha to shut out but wishes that
why shall not he write less, he thinks he is the only learned etc, which
when read by the real learnt, will get their laugh, splitting the sky. The
thorns in the flush is inevitable; there must always be some SISUPALAs on
earth even to defy anything.
What is the tremendous write up by that Singapore bloke? Having
blurted out the wrong write up that Tamizh came from Telugu ,like an idiot,
when the real evidence based age of the Tamil and other Dravidian languages
were exposed , he felt ashamed; why would a fool that way? The real value
is knowing what level the imposter is. Approaching the issue in his own
Jihadi way, (he always likes that he is a true Brahmin; if I say it is not,
his chamchas and N will be jumping like a fox; but I have released The Maha
Periyava interview, where HE himself speaks about the Brahmins Bad crops
also; but N is greater than Maha Periyava so he will defy as a local
dhadha anyone.Iravatham Mahadevan said all but he is in shame wriggles out
and try to retort without any substance. I wrote to someone, that N is a
fool and he cannot write anything with the substance; and N proved it
again in Tamil. His kooshpandam brain cannot get elevated , even after he
leaves the body.
Second one his malayalee ethics; nothing wrong about it for a native
man ; but all the Brahmins of Kerala were only settlers as people of USA
except the red Indians ( even Red Indian came from Mexico driven out in a
skirmish) Brahmins of Kerala literally belongs to Thanjavur ( Thanjavur is
famous for kusumbu like N ,G and a few more) ; originally the manipravalam
arose by mixing of Sanskrit with kerala bhasha; hence Malayalam became
their tongue by accident. The age of Malayalam is so puny which I will
write later. By learning languages, there is no hatred towards the
languages; but when Jihadis blow their holed -trumpet whether a Tamilian
or Keralite (Pandis? someone wrote ) the issue divides the nation. The
real Pandis only became a Keralite and so N reflected his absence of
knowledge of Tamil. Always N and G fall to the abyss unaware that they are
head down. The best part of Tamil is it is known by the word
TAMIZH தமிழ். THE LAST LETTER ழ் IS NOWHERE IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE OF THE
EARTH. வாழைப்பழம் can be pronounced as that and cannot be spoken as வாளப்பளம்
except shudra like Narayanasami. as spoken by Maha Periyava. One who fails
to know anything and having a zero minus knowledge, shall keep navadwaras
closed and remain silent sir. Malayalam is sanskritised and came long after
Kannada. So it has sha, sa and ha. Tamil is independent of samskritam hence
only it was grouped into Proto dravidian. Without learning anything ,
ignorants not only intrude without any sense, but also advertise with
anger, yes I am the law; fools built paradise they think. Tamil Bharathi
only sang sundara telinginil pattisaithen, kerala nattilam pengaludane etc.
N like and his jalras. If you learn and write, it's good for them only. Of
Course in the 80s and 90s what is there to lose more and why talk about
prestige etc- may be their thinking? Please don't put your foot in the
wrong road lest you will land in a lot of trouble. And Tamil being an
independent language in the world, (even greek depended on sanskrit;
English, Latin ,spanish etc depended on the Greek, and developed their
strength to become a classical language; Hurt said Tamil should also be a
classical language as Sanskrit ; so if some unchech-facts heros quote a
wrong information, and the fact check proves to be otherwise, THE WISE will
understand the folly; but fools living in Paradise spit skyward which
theory was floated by the stupid N only. Without knowing don't blow your
trumpet to release only the Gas sir(s).
K Rajaram IRS 12 7 23
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 at 00:09, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear folks
>
> I have written:-
>
> "Thamizh is still a relatively primitive language........
>
> Ask a Tamizhan to write "*GUHAN*" in Thamizh. He cannot.
>
> He will write (if he is literate): *KUKAN* !
>
> Ask a Thamizhan to repeat after you "vaazhappazham", "kuzhanthaikku
> koozhu", "kizhattu thamizhan", or "eazhyai kuzhanthai".
>
> He will come back with:-
>
> வாளப்பளம். குழந்தைக்கு கூளு. கிளட்டுத் தமிளன். ஏளக்குளந்தை.
>
> So much for the boasted, boosted, bloated, blasted uniqueness and
> superiority of the Thamil tongue (mother-tongue of MOTOS LBGTQ Kr IRS 12
> 7 23 alias K Rajaram, alias Rauber Kakerlake).
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
>
>
> ஏளக்குளந்தை.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 11:20 AM Bala N. Aiyer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This amily tree may help you.
>> May be this is wrong.
>>
>> Bala N. Aiyer
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 09:43:58 PM CDT, Narayanaswamy Iyer <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear folks
>>
>> Thamizh super-extra chauvinists, puffed up by dreams of their imagined
>> universal superiority, especially over other languages, have for years, for
>> decades, for centuries been clamorously banging their gongs on
>> elephant-backs, primarily to antagonise scholars in other languages.
>>
>> Professor George L Hart has even the temerity to boast that:
>>
>> "*Tamil........ is extremely old (as old as Latin and older than
>> Arabic); it arose as an entirely independent tradition."*
>>
>> None so blind as those that will not see.
>>
>> Had the non-Indian professor done his research properly and assiduously,
>> he would have found that Thamizh evolved from theTelegu language of
>> draavida-desham (from which followed Kannadam and Malayaalam also).
>>
>> He would have recognised, if he were honest, that Thamizhis still a
>> relatively primitive language with, for example, equivalence for:-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *ഖഗഘ ഛജഝ ഠഡഢ ഥദധ ഫബഭ ശ ഷ സ ഹ ക്ഷഋ ൠ ഌ ൡ ൻ ൽ ൺ ൾ ൿ ർ*
>>
>>
>> Ask a Tamizhan to write "*GUHAN*" in Thamizh. He cannot.
>>
>> He will write (if he is literate): *KUKAN* !
>>
>>
>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:00 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> In response to VG quote today only in iyer 123 and not anywhere seen:*Whether
>> the quote is correct? Only among 7012 or also a classical? Pl check before
>> carried away. Thank you The truth behind it from the Tamil blogger KR
>> IRS 12 7 23*
>>
>>
>>
>> Before Indian government declared Tamil as a classical language, Dr.
>> George Hart from UC Berkeley sent this letter to them. Interesting.
>>
>> I have been a Professor of Tamil at the University of California,
>> Berkeley, since 1975 and am currently holder of the Tamil Chair at that
>> institution. My degree, which I received in 1970, is in Sanskrit, from
>> Harvard, and my first employment was as a Sanskrit professor at the
>> University of Wisconsin, Madison, in 1969. Besides Tamil and Sanskrit, I
>> know the classical languages of Latin and Greek and have read extensively
>> in their literatures in the original. I am also well-acquainted with
>> comparative linguistics and the literatures of modern Europe (I know
>> Russian, German, and French and have read extensively in those languages)
>> as well as the literatures of modern India, which, with the exception of
>> Tamil and some Malayalam, I have read in translation. I have spent much
>> time discussing Telugu literature and its tradition with V. Narayanarao,
>> one of the greatest living Telugu scholars, and so I know that tradition
>> especially well. As a long-standing member of a South Asian Studies
>> department, I have also been exposed to the richness of both Hindi
>> literature, and I have read in detail about Mahadevi Varma, Tulsi, and
>> Kabir. I have spent many years — most of my life (since 1963) — studying
>> Sanskrit. I have read in the original all of Kalidasa, Magha, and parts of
>> Bharavi and Sri Harsa. I have also read in the original the fifth book of
>> the Rig Veda as well as many other sections, many of the Upanisads, most of
>> the Mahabharata, the Kathasaritsagara, Adi Sankara’s works, and many other
>> works in Sanskrit.
>>
>> I say this not because I wish to show my erudition, but rather to
>> establish my fitness for judging whether a literature is classical. Let me
>> state unequivocally that, by any criteria one may choose, Tamil is one of
>> the great classical literatures and traditions of the world. The reasons
>> for this are many; let me consider them one by one.
>>
>> First, Tamil is of considerable antiquity. It predates the literatures of
>> other modern Indian languages by more than a thousand years. Its oldest
>> work, the Tolkappiyam,, contains parts that, judging from the earliest
>> Tamil inscriptions, date back to about 200 BCE. The greatest works of
>> ancient Tamil, the Sangam anthologies and the *Pattuppattu*, date to the
>> first two centuries of the current era. They are the first great secular
>> body of poetry written in India, predating Kalidasa’s works by two hundred
>> years.
>>
>> Second, Tamil constitutes the only literary tradition indigenous to India
>> that is not derived from Sanskrit. Indeed, its literature arose before the
>> influence of Sanskrit in the South became strong and so is qualitatively
>> different from anything we have in Sanskrit or other Indian languages. It
>> has its own poetic theory, its own grammatical tradition, its own
>> esthetics, and, above all, a large body of literature that is quite unique.
>> It shows a sort of Indian sensibility that is quite different from anything
>> in Sanskrit or other Indian languages, and it contains its own extremely
>> rich and vast intellectual tradition.
>>
>> Third, the quality of classical Tamil literature is such that it is fit
>> to stand beside the great literatures of Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Chinese,
>> Persian and Arabic. The subtlety and profundity of its works, their varied
>> scope (Tamil is the only premodern Indian literature to treat the subaltern
>> extensively), and their universality qualify Tamil to stand as one of the
>> great classical traditions and literatures of the world. Everyone knows the
>> *Tirukkural*, one of the world’s greatest works on ethics; but this is
>> merely one of a myriad of major and extremely varied works that comprise
>> the Tamil classical tradition. There is not a facet of human existence that
>> is not explored and illuminated by this great literature.
>>
>> Finally, Tamil is one of the primary independent sources of modern Indian
>> culture and tradition. I have written extensively on the influence of a
>> Southern tradition on the Sanskrit poetic tradition. But equally important,
>> the great sacred works of Tamil Hinduism, beginning with the Sangam
>> Anthologies, have undergirded the development of modern Hinduism. Their
>> ideas were taken into the Bhagavata Purana and other texts (in Telugu and
>> Kannada as well as Sanskrit), whence they spread all over India. Tamil has
>> its own works that are considered to be as sacred as the Vedas and that are
>> recited alongside Vedic mantras in the great Vaisnava temples of South
>> India (such as Tirupati). And just as Sanskrit is the source of the modern
>> Indo-Aryan languages, classical Tamil is the source language of modern
>> Tamil and Malayalam. As Sanskrit is the most conservative and least changed
>> of the Indo-Aryan languages, Tamil is the most conservative of the
>> Dravidian languages, the touchstone that linguists must consult to
>> understand the nature and development of Dravidian.
>>
>> In trying to discern why Tamil has not been recognized as a classical
>> language, I can see only a political reason: there is a fear that if Tamil
>> is selected as a classical language, other Indian languages may claim
>> similar status. This is an unnecessary worry. I am well aware of the
>> richness of the modern Indian languages — I know that they are among the
>> most fecund and productive languages on earth, each having begotten a
>> modern (and often medieval) literature that can stand with any of the major
>> literatures of the world. Yet none of them is a classical language. Like
>> English and the other modern languages of Europe (with the exception of
>> Greek), they rose on preexisting traditions rather late and developed in
>> the second millennium. The fact that Greek is universally recognized as a
>> classical language in Europe does not lead the French or the English to
>> claim classical status for their languages. To qualify as a classical
>> tradition, a language must fit several criteria:
>>
>> - it should be ancient,
>> - it should be an independent tradition that arose mostly on its own
>> not as an offshoot of another tradition, and
>> - it must have a large and extremely rich body of ancient literature.
>>
>> Unlike the other modern languages of India, Tamil meets each of these
>> requirements. It is extremely old (as old as Latin and older than Arabic);
>> it arose as an entirely independent tradition, with almost no influence
>> from Sanskrit or other languages; and its ancient literature is
>> indescribably vast and rich. It seems strange to me that I should have to
>> write an essay such as this claiming that Tamil is a classical literature —
>> it is akin to claiming that India is a great country or Hinduism is one of
>> the world’s great religions. The status of Tamil as one of the great
>> classical languages of the world is something that is patently obvious to
>> anyone who knows the subject. To deny that Tamil is a classical language is
>> to deny a vital and central part of the greatness and richness of Indian
>> culture.
>>
>> (Signed:)
>> George L. Hart
>> Professor of Tamil
>> Chair in Tamil Studies
>>
>> Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Several claims of *Tamil being ‘THE ONLY LANGUAGE (IN WHOLE WORD)” to
>> have certain linguistic specialty or superiority* originate only from
>> extreme pride of Tamil community about its language. Hence, before going
>> through this answer, I would kindly request all of you to go through my
>> answer given to another question - Sachchidanand Swami's answer to Why
>> are Tamilians very proud of Tamil?
>> <https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Tamilians-very-proud-of-the-Tamil-language/answer/Sachchidanand-R-Swami>
>> .
>>
>> Does the questioner mean to say that Tamil is the ONLY language in this
>> entire world that satisfies 11 criteria for being called as a CLASSICAL
>> LANGUAGE? How can be he/she quite sure about same? By the way, is the
>> questioner *personally *aware about 11 different criteria? I sincerely
>> think that he/she didn’t know entire background info behind this YouTube
>> clip. So please let me give some of it.
>>
>> I personally respect those who have tremendous and unshakable respect for
>> their mothers, mother-lands and mother-tongues. However, I kindly suggest
>> all of Langmant
>> <https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-term-for-a-lover-of-linguistics-or-a-lover-of-language/answer/Sachchidanand-R-Swami>s
>> to check ground facts as well. You would come to know that there are many
>> languages which are or already have been declared as classical languages
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_language>. *In India itself,
>> there are many.*
>>
>> In Indian parliament, beloved and respected Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalaam
>> made announcement of Tamil language being a classical one. Do you know who
>> was the key person behind investigating extensively and asking govt. of
>> India to give CLASSICAL status to Tamil?
>>
>> He was PadmaShri *Dr. George L. Hart* (University of California,
>> Berkley). Ironically, he is neither an Indian or a Tamilian by origin.
>>
>> Why none of Indian and specifically Tamil academics or linguists
>> conducted research and boldly came forward to claim antiquity of Tamil
>> language with solid proofs, other than Gn. Deveneya Pavanar
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devaneya_Pavanar> (மொழி ஞாயிறு) who wrote
>> the book *Primary Classical language of the World* (which I’ve read) and
>> also initiated *Independent Tamil Movement *(தனித் தமிழ் இயக்கம்)?
>>
>> Now let’s come to the point of *having a chair in Harvard University*.
>> In reality, *Tamil Chair Inc.* is a non-profit organization registered
>> in the state of Maryland (USA) that is currently working on fund raising
>> for *Harvard Tamil Chair*. In return, Harvard will help in producing
>> Tamil scholars who will be trained in (linguistic) research methodologies.
>>
>> Since all other classical languages have dedicated departments (through
>> sponsorship and fund-raising) in local and international universities, just
>> having a ‘Chair’ in Harvard (or any foreign university) doesn’t at all mean
>> that Tamil is the ONLY classical language.
>>
>> However, without any doubt, Tamil language needs a great attention and
>> also it deserves respect from international academics and linguistics.
>> Saddest part is that people from India aren’t paying much attention to its
>> linguistic legacy and heritage.
>>
>> By the way, I kindly suggest all of my fellow Tamilians and also
>> non-Tamilians to read a wonderful book - *The primary classical language
>> of the world*. It is written by Gn. Deveneya Pavanar
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devaneya_Pavanar> (மொழி ஞாயிறு).
>>
>> According to me - Except Lemuria and Aryan Invasion
>> <https://www.quora.com/Is-Aryan-invasion-theory-correct-or-not-If-not-why-is-the-Indus-valley-civilization-not-mentioned-in-Vedas-Why-is-there-an-anthropomorphic-difference-between-various-groups-of-Indians/answer/Sachchidanand-R-Swami>
>> theory,
>> this book provides plenty of plausible evidences for marking Tamil as one
>> of the greatest (classical) languages in known human history.
>>
>> Xxxxxxxxx Kr IRS 12 7 23
>>
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