1 As the plaintiff withdrew the case as invalid, the case was dismissed.
2 Why beat and carry its waste?
3 How can anyone enter into another's mind and try to form the konar
notes for that text?
4 What are positive and negative aspects? For Dharma all were good; For
Duryodhana all were bad; the revolutionists say they are right in their
demands as they serve the society; the ukrainians say Russia had
infiltrated; some one stands by the congress; some one stands by the BJP.
Now what is right and what is wrong? Hence only till date even a person
like Maha Periyava wrote, Dharma is undefined; but swadharma is the
greatest. More confusion? That which does not do any harm is Dharma; then
even if one is hurt, then it is not or it is because it serves the
majority? What is positive to one is negative to another.
5 So my Guru used to say, 1 Think before you act; or else, ignominy shall
fall upon you; {Ennith tuniga karumam, tunindapin ennuvam enbadhu izukku];
2 *குறள் 711:**. *அவையறிநது ஆராய்ந்து சொல்லுக சொல்லின் தொகையறிந்த தூய்மை
யவர். *Tamil meaning **ஒவ்வொரு சொல்லின் தன்மையும் உணர்ந்துள்ள நல்ல
அறிஞர்கள், அவையில் கூடியிருப்போரின் தன்மையையும் உணர்ந்து அதற்கேற்ப
ஆராய்ந்து பேசுவார்கள். **English meaning ** Let the pure who know the
arrangement of words speak with deliberation after ascertaining (the nature
of) the court (then assembled). KR IRS 26 7 23*
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 at 03:14, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Mani sir for your mail understanding the forward in the spirit in
> which the message was written.
>
> I must confess that I was a bit apprehensive when I forwarded that message
> as it could be very easily misunderstood, and it seems it has been.
>
> Let me clarify for what it is worth, as there could be others who might
> hold similar views as seen in a couple of responses.
>
> The way I understood the message and my response to some of the
> observations are: (Purely my interpretation and *I admit others are
> entitled to their views* but pl give me chance to explain)
>
> *The broad message the post conveys is Corruption is not limited to taking
> bribes as it is generally and widely believed to be but includes a vast
> array of other acts which we commit without even being aware of the fact
> that we are guilty of corrupt practices. It extends the meaning and scope
> of what corruption is, that's all.*
>
> *This message or for that matter any saying, addresses a very broad and
> general point and does not address individual, exceptional situations. *
>
> *There are always exceptions and there is no such thing as "one size fits
> all". *
>
> *We have all heard the saying "The Golden Rule is that there is no Golden
> Rule". It says it all. *
> *Take the broad message, if you will, and don't nit pick.*
>
> *Now my explanations:*
>
> 1. Sugar:
> It means that don't adopt double standards - one with your money and the
> other with another's. Yes, you have paid for the coffee you can take as
> much sugar as you want but try not to misuse that privilege.
>
> It does not address what a diabetic should do or not do.
>
> Let us not stretch the scope and meaning and instead, see it in the
> broader context.
>
> 2. Tissues:: Same as above - try to minimise the usage as you would do at
> home. Obviously if the floor is dirty one would naturally use more water as
> in our case, and tissues as the west does. It talks about normal, similar
> situations.
>
> 3. Food: It is general human tendency to indulge, when something is
> offered free or the items are unlimited for a given fee, like the lunch we
> pay for in a hotel. It is quite common that people will eat more on special
> occasions as in parties but all it tells us is to take as much as you want
> but don't waste (not being able to finish). Again, some acts committed
> without an intention to commit that, don't fall under this category - they
> are exceptions. All that we can do is get the leftovers packed if possible
> ( in the U S it is a common sight in many restaurants), and be careful next
> time we order. That's all.
> We all learn from our past acts. Mistakes need not be repeated.
>
> 5. *Usually jump Queues: *The key word here is "usually". We all jump Qs
> at times, in most cases after saying "Excuse me" if we are in a hurry.
>
> We ourselves have given way to pregnant ladies, ladies carrying babies,
> senior citizens and others like the Differently abled, because we recognize
> their special, specific needs.
>
> Why, there are separate Q for senior citizens even in the temples and we
> don't grudge them because of the same reason.
>
> A VIP or a minister who is entitled to special treatment by Law (for
> security reasons, among others) will be given preference and for good
> reason. That is understandable but what is meant here "Don't flaunt your
> status" or ask for privileges you are not entitled to.
>
> In that context, it says jumping the Q (for example, because you know
> someone in that place) is also a corrupt practice.
>
> I have witnessed how ordinary folks, just because they know some VIP, get
> a letter from him and jump the Qs at Tirupathi. How do I know? because they
> say so, in the mistaken belief that their contacts will impress the
> listeners.
>
> What they don't realize is how Balaji will look at it, considering there
> are thousands of poor folks, with babies and young children who wait for
> hours and these worthies consider it no wrong to do that.
>
> This message is meant for those people.
>
> I feel guilty Sir in buying tickets and go in a separate Q as it is also a
> form of corruption but satisfy myself somewhat that the money I and others
> like me pay is used to provide more amenities to those thousands and also
> because it is legal as is done officially and is available to all who can
> afford it. But Conscience hurts when you meet those folks, where the
> Special Q the general one converges and you hear them telling how they are
> standing there for 12 hours or more while we waited under 3 hours. We can't
> be all saints at all times.
>
> I may recall here that Sri Kakkan ji, a minister in the Kamaraj cabinet
> has set an impossible example to follow. Why do we recall him now? Because
> he never misused his position even though he could very easily have.
>
> His character is well known to many in T N and we wonder whether such
> people really existed only a few decades back, amongst us. Rarest of the
> rare breeds, Sri Kakkan ji was.
>
> 6. Surname: It means family names (including castes) should not matter
> when we deal with people but what should matter is the individual on a
> stand alone basis, with no suffixes. - we should respect someone based on
> what he is and not based on his pedigree, whether he is from Eton or Doon
> School. Flaunting the surname or getting influenced by it is also act of
> corruption though it has become a routine practice now.
>
> We all should be proud as Indians, because if surname matters that much,
> an ordinary tea seller could not have become our P M. Dharna still exists
> and it gives us hope.
>
> 7. Jumping red lights: We have seen how even today some brat, just
> because his father is a minister or some such, disregards police signals
> and traffic lights. Yes, ambulances, fire engines and police vehicles can
> and do jump Qs and traffic lights after ensuring their and others' safety
> because they do that to serve a large cause and are done in the discharge
> of their duties. Where this motive is unselfish, no questions are asked.
>
> This message is only for those spoilt kids and their likes - as mentioned
> above.
>
> 8. Throwing waste -- self explanatory, hopefully.
>
> I have tried to explain to those who may have genuine doubts about the
> forwarded message in the hope that it is now understood in the spirit in
> which it was written.
>
> My Guru used to say - where two views are possible for a given message,
> take that which is positive, one that unifies people than the one that
> divides and try and see what you can learn from it - what to do and what
> not to do.
>
> Extreme views help nobody.
>
> I will conclude with another response I received in my private mail.
>
> The talks about a question asked of an Interviewee who will have vast sums
> at his disposal given the nature of his job. Let us assume for a moment
> that there will be no audit and such things; The question was How will the
> person deal with that money and the reply left the Interviewers perplexed.
> The fellow replied saying that he will deal with that as if it was his
> own - how to interpret that?
> Whether the fellow will use it as he pleases or will be careful on how
> and where he spends it, as he will do with his own.
>
> Like this, any message can be interpreted based on one's views; variety is
> the spice of life, isn't it?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> N Sekar
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:25:10 AM GMT+4, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Whereas the bloke senile wrote some nonsense, here I enjoyed the
> rejoinder. But again, by giving one rupee as alms, one would say , how will
> he survive with one rupee; if 100 is given it is spoiling him; then
> altruism itself is so bad; because , it would make people lazy; dhanam to
> Vadyar on rituals is also bad; as it would make the vadhyar also bad.
> Either way having money is corrupt; having no money and begging also will
> make one lazy. What is the correct definition of corruption?
> I had seen a lot of diabetics violating rarely as they also become
> frustrated; when controlled so fastidiously by wife, better to violate for
> fun. Thank you KR IRS
>
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 21:42, Jambunathan Iyer <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> My Answer in Light terms
>
> KR 1 Suppose I spend a lot, because I have more money; and when a
> beggar appears I give him a hundred bill; what am I? Because I am corrupt
> as I have corrupt money, so throw off OR altruistic personality and one who
> develops the economy of the nation as I roll over the money? Which one?
>
> NJ - I took it as action of corrupt since you are courrupting the Mind of
> the begger and create Laziness in his mind and he will never work.
>
> 2 As a diabetic my wife does not show me the sugar before me at
> all; so when I went to a hotel, with my friend, in Chola sheraton, costing
> a fat suim even for a coffee, I added more sugar and drank. Am I corrupt?
> OR the suppression of the desire coming out?
>
> NJ - It is also an act of corruption. Adding sugar in your coffee or tea
> at home or at Chola if you are diabetic is against your health condition
> and if you add at restranst the sugar it is wrong and amout to be a act of
> corruption.
>
> 3 In home, I keep all clean and so use less tissue; when I drove my
> car from Sanjose to Los Angeles ( as all the quotes are not from India) and
> had to use the RR; so entered; and found dirty one; scattered on the floor
> pieces; and so I had to use a lot of tissues to clean and over the toilet
> and even spread to sit; and then use and again had to cleanse i do use and
> come out. Who am I? A corrupt? OR cleaning the toilet for the oncoming to
> use less than I used ? SoA service minded?
>
> NJ : I agree to your Vuew Point But what Mani Ji mentioned is for one to
> one useage.
>
> 4 And we went to Saravana Bhavan Santa clara; was hungry; someone is
> going to foot the bill only; and ordered for sambar Vadai and Ghee roast
> and mango Lussi; When it came I was startled; 3 vadas plus so big sized
> and a lot of side dishes; the roast was stretching to the next table; and
> definitely though I can consume two normal Vada and aordy dosa, Nor this
> kind of 3 days Lunch. So I had to leave it back as return is not possible;
> And I hate TO GO. Who am i? A CORRUPT/ or whatever one cannot do by
> spoiling one's health leaving rest as undesirable. A health conscious?
> Saving money from the Doctor for someone else? Was there greed? And for
> that in each hotel can any one ask for the measurements?
>
> NJ : Both are correct. General conclusion Not Possible.
>
> 5 In many offices, one can see for officers and for other staff and
> for Public; why? Are the application of work of a professional and his
> assistants equally "the same"? If yes, equal pay for the equal work; if not
> the reason. Time is precious. Status is there however though people talk so
> nicely. And in a common pool when the actress Kshboo arrived for a cool
> drink and she is 100th in the Q, people recognising her , let her go to the
> front so she does, does it show that she's using her celebrity? A king is a
> king. The senior citizens are allowed to in front cutting the Q. So cutting
> the Q may not always mean one is showing the power though it is that power
> only entertains them to go forward. It is a tricky situation. Will PM Modi
> stand behind me and come in the Q?; at the time of elections such Gimmicks
> may be seen.
>
> NJ : Again here to Both are correct. General conclusion Not Possible. Only
> circumstances matter.
>
> N Jambunathan Rengarajapuram-Kodambakkam-Chennai-Mob:9176159004
>
> *" What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you
> become by achieving your goals. If you want to live a happy life, tie it to
> a goal, not to people or things "*
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 6:37 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> It is seen in another group far away from me; Of Course the background of
> the assessment is not presented; at the same time whether it is proved to
> be candid is also not known. Whether the deduction is universally
> applicable or whether scientifically justifiable is also not known What was
> that forwarded?
> Corruption self examination*
> - If you usually put more sugar in your tea when in a hotel than you do at
> home, you're likely to be corrupt.
> - If you use more tissue in a public washroom than you do at home, you are
> a potential thief, if given opportunity you would take what's not yours.
> - If you serve yourself more food that you can finish just because someone
> else is footing the bill, you're greedy.
> - If you usually jump queues, you have potential for abusing office if
> given a powerful position.
> - If you are more concerned about knowing someone's surname rather than
> first name, you're likely to be a tribal bigot. It's even worse when
> someone tells you their name and you ask, "which tribe is that?"
> - If you usually overlap while in traffic jam or have no regard for
> traffic lights, then you would easily embezzle public funds if you're given
> a position at a public office since you hate regulation .
> - If you channel waste or dirty water from your compound to a neighbour's
> compound rather than manage it, you're ill-mannered.
> If you look at this post and wonder whether it was really necessary to
> talk about these issues; then you are dishonest and you would easily cover
> up ills in the society for your own benefit.
> Let us try to be people of character wherever we find ourselves.
> If you Smile to yourself, Probably , you're clean.
> If you Brush this aside, there is something you want to hide.
> CANDID SELF TEST
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> KR 1 Suppose I spend a lot, because I have more money; and when
> a beggar appears I give him a hundred bill; what am I? Because I am corrupt
> as I have corrupt money, so throw off OR altruistic personality and one who
> develops the economy of the nation as I roll over the money? Which one?
> 2 As a diabetic my wife does not show me the sugar before me at
> all; so when I went to a hotel, with my friend, in Chola sheraton, costing
> a fat suim even for a coffee, I added more sugar and drank. Am I corrupt?
> OR the suppression of the desire coming out?
> 3 In home, I keep all clean and so use less tissue; when I drove my
> car from Sanjose to Los Angeles ( as all the quotes are not from India) and
> had to use the RR; so entered; and found dirty one; scattered on the floor
> pieces; and so I had to use a lot of tissues to clean and over the toilet
> and even spread to sit; and then use and again had to cleanse i do use and
> come out. Who am I? A corrupt? OR cleaning the toilet for the oncoming to
> use less than I used ? SoA service minded?
> 4 And we went to Saravana Bhavan Santa clara; was hungry; someone is
> going to foot the bill only; and ordered for sambar Vadai and Ghee roast
> and mango Lussi; When it came I was startled; 3 vadas plus so big sized
> and a lot of side dishes; the roast was stretching to the next table; and
> definitely though I can consume two normal Vada and aordy dosa, Nor this
> kind of 3 days Lunch. So I had to leave it back as return is not possible;
> And I hate TO GO. Who am i? A CORRUPT/ or whatever one cannot do by
> spoiling one's health leaving rest as undesirable. A health conscious?
> Saving money from the Doctor for someone else? Was there greed? And for
> that in each hotel can any one ask for the measurements?
> 5 In many offices, one can see for officers and for other staff and
> for Public; why? Are the application of work of a professional and his
> assistants equally "the same"? If yes, equal pay for the equal work; if not
> the reason. Time is precious. Status is there however though people talk so
> nicely. And in a common pool when the actress Kshboo arrived for a cool
> drink and she is 100th in the Q, people recognising her , let her go to the
> front so she does, does it show that she's using her celebrity? A king is a
> king. The senior citizens are allowed to in front cutting the Q. So cutting
> the Q may not always mean one is showing the power though it is that power
> only entertains them to go forward. It is a tricky situation. Will PM Modi
> stand behind me and come in the Q?; at the time of elections such Gimmicks
> may be seen.
> We have to learn things from the standards of life; a disciplinarian knows
> it; the normal human knows it; only the perverts and the complex , yoke
> things which they cannot achieve as attributions to something else. It is
> mutual complacency. There may be several factors to do a thing.
> Deductions must be corroborative and not complexly jinxed.
> K Rajaram IRS 26 7 23
>
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 16:34, APS Mani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Very candid tests, Sir. Thanks, Mani
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 6:58 PM 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> sharing
> Corruption self examination*
> - If you usually put more sugar in your tea when in a hotel than you do at
> home, you're likely to be corrupt.
> - If you use more tissue in a public washroom than you do at home, you are
> a potential thief, if given opportunity you would take what's not yours.
> - If you serve yourself more food that you can finish just because someone
> else is footing the bill, you're greedy.
> - If you usually jump queues, you have potential for abusing office if
> given a powerful position.
> - If you are more concerned about knowing someone's surname rather than
> first name, you're likely to be a tribal bigot. It's even worse when
> someone tells you their name and you ask, "which tribe is that?"
> - If you usually overlap while in traffic jam or have no regard for
> traffic lights, then you would easily embezzle public funds if you're given
> a position at a public office since you hate regulation .
> - If you channel waste or dirty water from your compound to a neighbour's
> compound rather than manage it, you're ill-mannered.
> If you look at this post and wonder whether it was really necessary to
> talk about these issues; then you are dishonest and you would easily cover
> up ills in the society for your own benefit.
> Let us try to be people of character wherever we find ourselves.
> If you Smile to yourself, Probably , you're clean.
> If you Brush this aside, there is something you want to hide.
> CANDID SELF TEST
>
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