POOR BRAHMINS*
It is amazing to see that how fiction can become truth in course of time! Let's examine truth based on facts and real history. KR All said are true in good sense, however, a few things had to vbe viewed in the right colour also. *1.* To start with, there is not a SINGLE Brahmin God in Hinduism! *2.* All Gods are from backward castes, dalits and tribals. *3*. Brahmins never created the concept of Gods in Hinduism. KR All were manifestation from the Brahmam who created the varnas as revealed in Bhagavat gita (I created the varna”) Hence Brahmam do not belong to any cast or Varna. B U below says , all GODs were created or manifested in his Nirguna Roopa as the Saguna Roopa, on this earth; the saguna brahmam, by birth is said to belong to a varna; however there are a few Brahmin Gods also as Vamana and Dattatreya, an some worship them also. GOD,s varna is incidental. KR *Verse 1.5.1: Brahadaranyaka upanishad* यत्सप्तान्नानि मेधया तपसाजनयत्पिता । एकमस्य साधारणम्, द्वे देवानभाजयत् ॥ त्रीण्यात्मनेऽकुरुत, पशुभ्य एकं प्रायच्छत् । तस्मिन्सर्वम् प्रतिष्ठितम् यच्च प्राणिति यच्च न ॥ कस्मात्तानि न क्षीयन्तेऽद्यमानानि सर्वदा । यो वैतामक्षितिम् वेद सोऽन्नमत्ति प्रतीकेन ॥ स देवानपिगच्छति, स ऊर्जमुपजीवति ॥ इति श्लोकाः ॥ १ ॥ yatsaptānnāni medhayā tapasājanayatpitā | ekamasya sādhāraṇam, dve devānabhājayat || trīṇyātmane'kuruta, paśubhya ekaṃ prāyacchat | tasminsarvam pratiṣṭhitam yacca prāṇiti yacca na || kasmāttāni na kṣīyante'dyamānāni sarvadā | yo vaitāmakṣitim veda so'nnamatti pratīkena || sa devānapigacchati, sa ūrjamupajīvati || iti ślokāḥ || 1 || 1. That the father produced seven kinds of food through meditation and rites (I shall disclose). One is common to all eaters. Two he apportioned to the gods. Three he designed for himself. And one he gave to the animals. On it rests everything—what lives and what does not. Why are they not exhausted, although they are always being eaten? He who knows this cause of their permanence eats food with Pratīka (pre-eminence). He attains (identity with) the gods and lives on nectar. These are the verses. Ignorance has been discussed. It has been said in that connection that an ignorant man worships another god, thinking he is different from himself, and that prompted by desire, he, identifying himself with a particular caste and order of life and being regulated by a sense of duty, performs rites such as making offerings in the ñre, which help the gods and others and make him an object of enjoyment to them. And as all beings by their rites individually projected him as their object of enjoyment, so did he by his performance of rites with five factors, such as making offerings in the fire, project all beings as well as the whole universe as his objects of enjoyment. Thus, everyone according to his meditation and rites is both the enjoyer and the object of. enjoyment of the whole universe. That is to say, everyone is alternately the cause as well as the effect of everyone else *4.* There was not even a SINGLE Brahmin king that ruled India. *5.* To be able to oppress others requires positions of power. Brahmins were teachers, scholars, priests, advisors but not rulers. 2 KR There were many Brahmins kingdoms Shunga dynasty, Indian ruling house founded by Pushyamitra is a brahmin. about 185 BCE, which replaced the Mauryan dynasty. Pushyamitra assassinated Brihadratha, the last Mauryan ruler, at a military parade and assumed royal power. After rajputs , muslims , south Indian and north east kshatriyas the most no. Of kings and dynasties are of Brahmins. 1. Descendants of Rishi Shringa and Shanta , sister of Bhagwan ram ruled anga Pradesh .Today their descendants are rishiwanshi rajputs like Sengar Rajput are direct descendant of them and had many kingdoms in the past 2. All the devas ,asura and manus are son of Brahmins . 3. Suryawanshi kshatriya and chandravanshi Kshatriyas are descended from devas 3. Lanka was ruled by kuber , a brahmin. 4. Kuber’s step brother Ravana was a Brahmin king of Lanka 5. Ravana' brother Vibhishan was a brahmin king and his descendants ruled Sri Lanka for many centuries . [Now some of you may argue that mother of Ravana and vibhishan was asur so they are asur or Half brahmin half asura But she was asur kshatriya and son of kshtriya mother Brahmin Father is considered brahmin. Now coming to the asur part . King yayati married devyani, a brahmin women but her varna was degraded due to curse so she wasn't consider brahmin at the time of marriage and therefore their son are considered kshatriya not suta (children of kshatriya father Brahmin mother) King yayati also married a ASUR kshatriya princess sharmishtha and their son was puru . Puru is considered as kshatriya and his descendants were Kauravas and Pandavas. So if puru , kaurav Pandavas are not considered asur but kshatriya so Ravana and vibhishan are also not asura . They were instead brahmin kings of Asura people .] 6. Ashwatthama was brahmin king of Panchal and his descendants ruled for many centuries Now other brahmin dynasties which were more recent are 7. Brahmin Dynasty of Sindh (founded by chach of alor ) 8. Brahman Shahi dynasty of kabul called hindu shahi ( last ruler of this dynasty made janjua kshtriya prince of punjab jaypaldeva as his successor who founded kshtriya Shahi dynasty of Kabul . Today janjua kshtriya are know as janjua Rajputs ) 9. Satavahana dynasty ( some of these kings married naga princess) 10. Shunga Dynasty 11. Mitra dynasty of Mathura 12. Mitra dynasty of Saket (Ayodhya) 13. Mitra dynasty of Panchal 14. Mitra Dynasty of Magadh 15. Mitra dynasty of Kosambhi (All the mitra dyansty were initially branches of Shunga Dynasty which later became independent ) 16. Kanva dynasty 17. Oiniwar dynasty of Mithila 18. Raj Darbhanga of Mithila 19. Vakataka dynasty 20. Kadamba Dynasty of badami 21. Kadamba Dynasty of Goa 22. Kadamba Dynasty of Halasi 23. Kadamba Dynasty of Bankapur 24. Kadamba Dynasty of Nagarkhonda 25. Kadamba Dynasty of Bayalnad 26. Kadamba Dynasty of Uchchangi (All the Kadamba Dynasty descended from kadamba Dynasty of badami were brahmins) 27. Pallava Dynasty 28. Arya Chakravarti Dynasty of Sri Lanka 29. Parivrajaka Dynasty 30. Peshwas balaji vishwanath and his descendants who became hereditary Peshwa and became defacto ruler of whole maratha Empire from 3 rd Peshwa of the family 31. Deva dynasty of Saket (ayodhya) 32. Deva dynasty of Bengal 33. Datta dynasty of Mathura— Ayodhya 34. Sena dynasty of Bengal 35. Gupta Dynasty 36. Baghochia Dynasty 37. Banailli raj of Mithila 38. Bhurisreshta kingdom of Bengal 39. Patwardhan dynasty 40. Kurundwad Senior princely state 41. Kurundwad Junior princely state 42. Miraj Senior princely state 43. Miraj Junior princely state 44. Sangli princely state 45. Tasjaon princely state 46. Jamkhandi princely state 47. Ichalkaranji princely state 48. Aundh princely state 49. Bhor princely state 50. Gaurihar princely state 51. Jalaun princely state 52. Jhansi princely state 53. Ramdurg princely state 54. Panth piploda province 55. Chaube jagirs 56. Benares estate 57. Mishra dynasty of Ayodhya 58. Arni estate 59. Yelandur estate 60. Baudh state 61. Singhwara estate of Mithila 62. Rajshahi Raj of Bengal - Ruled By Rajshahi Family - (Varendra Brahmins) 63. Banaili Estate of Bihar - Ruled By Chaudhary Bahadhur Lineage - (Maithil Brahmins) 64. Bhawal Estate of Bengal - Ruled By Choudhary Lineage - (Shrotriya Brahmin) 65. Nadia Raj of Bengal - Ruled By Roy or Ray Lineage - (Kulin Brahmins) 66. Dighapatia Raj of Bengal - Ruled By Roy Lineage - (Varendra Brahmins) 67. Muktagacha Raj of Bengal - Ruled By Chowdhary Lineage - (Varendra Brahmins)[1] 68. Susanga Raj of Bengal - Ruled By Sinha Lineage - (Varendra Brahmins) 69. Vishalgad Estate of the British Raj - Ruled By Pant Prathinidhi Family - (Deshastha Brahmins) 70. Ichalkaranji Estate of the British Raj - Ruled By Joshi Family - (Chitpavan Brahmins) 72. Yelandur Estate of Mysore Kingdom - Ruled By Madhwa Brahmin Family. 73. Panyam Zamindari of Madras Presidency - Ruled By Deshastha Brahmins 74. Arni Estate of Madras Presidency - Ruled By Deshastha Brahmins 75. Bettiah Raj Ruled By Bhumihar Brahmins 76. Natore Raj of Bengal - Ruled By Roy Lineage - (Varendra Brahmin)[12] 77. Tekari Raj of Bihar - Ruled By Bhumihar Brahmins 78. Anapur Estate of Bihar - Ruled By Bhumihar Brahmins 79. Dharhara Estate Ruled By Bhumihar Brahmins 80. Jogini Estate Ruled By Bhumihar Brahmins 81. Goshi Estate Ruled By Bhumihars Brahmins 82. Sheohar Raj Ruled By Bhumihars Brahmins 83. Madhubhan Raj Ruled By Maithili Brahmins 84. Simlapal Raj Ruled By Utkal Brahmins 85. Maksudhpur Raj Ruled By Bhumihar Brahmins 86. Pahleha Raj of Gaya 87. Pakhra Raj 88. Poondoi Raj 89. Ratwara Raj 90. Nathdwarar Estate of Thikhana, Udaipur 91. Ajodhya Raj (formerly Mahdauna) of Uttar Pradesh - Ruled By Sakaldipi Brahmin 92. Ausanganj Estate of Oudh - Ruled By Gautham Lineage 93. Mymensingh Raj of Bengal - Ruled By Chowdhury Lineage - (Varendra Brahmin) 94. Tajpur Raj of Uttar Pradesh - Ruled By Chaudhary Lineage - (Tyagi Gaur Brahmins) 95. Zamindari/Zagirdari(350 villages) of Asoda(Hapud) Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins 96. Zamindari of Ratangarh (Bijnore) Ruled By Taga Rao Zokha Singh Tyagi Atri - He was a former commander (or Rao) of the northern branch of the Maratha Confederate Army, whose control ranged to the Tarai baselands of the Himalayas, Family of Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins 97. Zamindari of Siyohara(Bijnore) Ruled By Tyagi Gaur Brahmins (Raja Raghuraj Singh Tyagi) 98. Zamindari of Sultanpur(Saharanpur) Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry Maharaj Singh) 99. Zamindari of Gannaur(Haryana) Ruled By Tyagi Gaur Brahmins of Bhardwaj Clan 100. Zamidari of Nestaur(Bijnore) Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry Shyam Narayan Singh) 101. Zamidari of Gordhanpur(Saharanpur) Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry Dayal Singh Tyagi) 102. Zamidari of wajhilpur Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry ramrichh Tyagi, bhim singh raes) Zamidari of vaira firozpur(bulandshahr) Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry Ram sharan Tyagi) Zamidari of kutubpurpur Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry Nihal Singh Tyagi) Zamidari of Rasna (Gaziabad) Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry Nayadar Singh Tyagi) Zamidari of Chhatarpur Delhi Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins Zamidari of Seohara (Bijnor) Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry Raghuraj Singh Tyagi) Zamidari of Sahadra Delhi Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry Mehram Tyagi) Zamidari of Bada Gaon(Saharanpur) Uttar Pradesh Ruled By Chaudhry Lineage - Tyagi Gaur Brahmins(Chaudhry MoolrajSingh Tyagi) Polavaram Zamindari - Ruled By Koccharlakota Family - (Telugu Brahmins) Lakkavaram Zamindari - Ruled By Mantripregada Family - (Telugu Brahmins) Bhanot saraswat of ancient punjab Chalukya of badami ( branch of kadamba Dynasty) Eastern Chalukya Western Chalukya Chalukya of Vatapi Chalukya dynasty of Kalyani Chalukya dynasty of vengi Chalukya dynasty of lata Chalukya dynasty of navasarika Chalukya vemulavada Chaulukya dynasty (All the chalukya dynasties descended from chalukya of badami . Today Solanki Rajputs are descendants of chalukya . Since they were Brahmins from origin but ruled as kshtriya for 5 centuries they changed their varna to agnivanshi kshtriya now known as kshatriya rajput) Maitraka dynasty of vallabhi [maitraka us derived from Mithra /mitra . Some historians place them as yaduvanshi kshatriya as came from Mathura but Mathura was ruled by Brahmins from Shunga Dynasty some claim them as Suryavanshi kshtriya as Mithra means son but except one sun worshipper ruler all the other rulers of this dynasty were shaivites like mitra and Shunga Dynasty The reality is that they are descendants of mitra dynasty of Mathura and mitra is not used as son fir the dynasty name but as a name of their original dynasty. There are evidence that a mitra prince after being defeated by gupta dynasty was made governor of Saurashtra (gujrat ) whose descendants became independent and founded maitraka dynasty of vallabhi.] Guhila dynasty in which bappa rawal was born (and its branch sisodiya dynasty of mewar in which Rana kumbha Rana sanga Maharana Pratap was founded by guhadatta who belonged to the lineage of maitraka dynasty of vallabhi Later bappa rawal changed his varna From brahmin to kshatriya at Mount Abu since his ancestors were living life of kshatriya since 1000yrs ( Shunga Dynasty→Mitra Dynasty of Mathura — > maitraka dynasty of vallabhi -Guhila dynasty ) All the pratihar dynasty are descended from harishchandra pratihar ,a brahmin through his kshatriya wife . Later their descendants claimed they are agnivanshi kshtriya/rajput . Through his brahmin wife the children born were brahmin pratihar who ruled pali city . These Brahmins pratihar invited many Brahmins from all over the country . Later the ruler of pali was selected by people ( Majority of population was Brahmin) Pali was under control of brahmins till 13 century and theses Brahmins of pali are called Paliwals. Pratihar Brahmins descendants are some of the Paliwal Brahmins After bhagwan parshuram killed many kshatriya 21 times many Brahmin started owning land and became zamindars and kings of small kingdoms *6*. The Brahmins' traditional occupation was that of temple priest (purohit), officiating religious functions. Their sole income was _biksha_ (alms) given by the landlords (non-Brahmins). *7.* Another section of Brahmins were teachers, that too without salary. *8*. Vedic literature was mostly written by non-Brahmins. The most powerful of the dharma shaastra, that gives Brahmins a high status, is the Manusmriti written by Manu, a non-Brahmin. Brahmin means a profession (Varna) - not a caste. KR True: The Gayathri Mantra everyday recited was from Viswamitra the kshatriya. Vedas compiled by Vyasa the shudra as used to be contemptuously described by a member but all brahmins if they don’t study, would be a shudra as were at the time of birth. The word DWIJA is specifically added only to who was born in a brahmin family as the rest were non-brahmins and unnecessary to apply; certain vested interest depicted that word as twice born; it is not; the Vedas clearly says that all the births in the Brahmin family are only a shudra; by that yanjopaveeda alone 2ndtime, he takes the birth as a brahmin and qualify to study the Vedas. So, it means even shudra is qualified to do so. *9.* If the reading and writing of Sanskrit was confined to Brahmins, then how do you have the tribal Valmiki composing Ramayana? Ved Vyas, who classified four Vedas and wrote Mahabharata, was born to a fisherwoman. KR So, true. Today I had sent the latest research on Sanskrit, which shows the original spoken language was Sanskrit. We write Pure Tamil or Malayalam or any language as chaste. But when we do speak we eat away words and shortens the forms; that is spoken language is a variable factor; that was, Prakritham and manipravalam. Greek came out of Sanskrit only long after. *10*. Sanskrit was used mostly by non-Brahmin writers - there are very few scriptures in Sanskrit authored by Brahmins. *11*. We consider the teachings of Ved Vyas, Vashishta, Valmiki, Krishna, Rama, Agasthya, Vishwamitra, Shrunga, Gowtama, Buddha, Mahavira, Tulsidas, Thiruvalluvar, Kabir, Vivekananda, Gandhi, Narayana guru etc. as most valuable. *12*. If none of them were Brahmins, why cry out loudly that "Brahmins did not allow you to learn?" There are numerous works on bhakti by non-Brahmin bhakti saints. *13.* Brahmins never prevented others from learning. *14*. Brahmins were neither rich nor powerful at any point of time in history. Pick up any old Indian story book, you will see _gharib_ Brahmin’ (Poor Brahmin) quoted as a virtue. (Remember Sudama-Krishna story?) *15.* Though their profession was considered as highest stature of the society, the Brahmin ascetics' only way of survival was alms given by people. KR There were a few rich brahmins also in the history *16.* The biggest contribution of Brahmins is sustaining the best language ever spoken in the earth - Sanskrit. If you learn English or Arabic, you have commercial benefits. *17*. Nobody ever promoted Sanskrit.Without any benefits, Brahmins took up voluntary task of learning Sanskrit. Now you accuse them of monopoly in Sanskrit! Besides, Brahmins were not Kings. They didn't enjoy powers or had wealth. They worked hard on gaining knowledge and led life of austerity. So there is no question of exploitation by rahmins. When population of Brahmins range from just 2% in Tamil Nadu to 12% in Uttarakhand, how can they dominate the majority? After reading all this can anyone blame Brahmins? KR IRS 31 7 23 On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 at 07:15, Rama <kaviran...@gmail.com> wrote: > *POOR BRAHMINS* > > It is amazing to see that how fiction can become truth in course of time! > > Let's examine truth based on facts and real history. > > *1.* To start with, there is not a SINGLE Brahmin God in Hinduism! > > *2.* All Gods are from backward castes, dalits and tribals. > > *3*. Brahmins never created the concept of Gods in Hinduism. > > *4.* There was not even a SINGLE Brahmin king that ruled India. > > *5.* To be able to oppress others requires positions of power. Brahmins > were teachers, scholars, priests, advisors but not rulers. > > *6*. The Brahmins' traditional occupation was that of temple priest > (purohit), officiating religious functions. Their sole income was _biksha_ > (alms) given by the landlords (non-Brahmins). > > *7.* Another section of Brahmins were teachers, that too without salary. > > *8*. Vedic literature was mostly written by non-Brahmins. The most > powerful of the dharma shaastra, that gives Brahmins a high status, is the > Manusmriti written by Manu, a non-Brahmin. Brahmin means a profession > (Varna) - not a caste. > > *9.* If the reading and writing of Sanskrit was confined to Brahmins, then > how do you have the tribal Valmiki composing Ramayana? Ved Vyas, who > classified four Vedas and wrote Mahabharata, was born to a fisherwoman. > > *10*. Sanskrit was used mostly by non-Brahmin writers - there are very few > scriptures in Sanskrit authored by Brahmins. > > *11*. We consider the teachings of Ved Vyas, Vashishta, Valmiki, Krishna, > Rama, Agasthya, Vishwamitra, Shrunga, Gowtama, Buddha, Mahavira, Tulsidas, > Thiruvalluvar, Kabir, Vivekananda, Gandhi, Narayana guru etc. as most > valuable. > > *12*. If none of them were Brahmins, why cry out loudly that "Brahmins did > not allow you to learn?" There are numerous works on bhakti by non-Brahmin > bhakti saints. > > *13.* Brahmins never prevented others from learning. > > *14*. Brahmins were neither rich nor powerful at any point of time in > history. Pick up any old Indian story book, you will see _gharib_ Brahmin’ > (Poor Brahmin) quoted as a virtue. (Remember Sudama-Krishna story?) > > *15.* Though their profession was considered as highest stature of the > society, the Brahmin ascetics' only way of survival was alms given by > people. > > *16.* The biggest contribution of Brahmins is sustaining the best language > ever spoken in the earth - Sanskrit. If you learn English or Arabic, you > have commercial benefits. > > *17*. Nobody ever promoted Sanskrit. > Without any benefits, Brahmins took up voluntary task of learning > Sanskrit. Now you accuse them of monopoly in Sanskrit! > > Besides, Brahmins were not Kings. They didn't enjoy powers or had wealth. > They worked hard on gaining knowledge and led life of austerity. So there > is no question of exploitation by Brahmins. > > When population of Brahmins range from just 2% in Tamil Nadu to 12% in > Uttarakhand, how can they dominate the majority? > > After reading all this can anyone blame Brahmins? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to thatha_patty+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZophf5WDhjmj_N87Y-TDpdWjNBkBopTkHo%2BNWbuW76tf%2Bg%40mail.gmail.com.
