NATARAJA SIGNIFICANCE WRITTEN BY ME EARLIER
Physicists from the experiment at the European Organisation for Nuclear
Research (CERN) said on Wednesday they had found a new sub-atomic particle
consistent with the long-sought Higgs boson, which is believed to confer
mass. Renowned British physicist Stephen Hawking said Wednesday the Nobel
Prize should be given to Peter Higgs, the man who gave his name to the
Higgs boson particle. Hawking said the discovery was of major importance.
"If the decay and other interactions of this particle are as we expect, it
will be strong evidence for the so-called standard model of particle
physics, the theory that explains all our experiments so far," Hawking said.
2 Úrîmad Bhâgavatam 6.16.36 declares that:
paramânu-parama-mahatos tvam âdy-antântara-vartî traya-vidhurah
âdâv ante 'pi ca sattvânâm yad dhruvam tad evântarâle 'pi
parama-anu — of the atomic particle; parama-mahatoh — and of the biggest
(the result of the combination of atoms); tvam — You; âdi-anta — in both
the beginning and the end; antara — and in the middle; vartî — existing;
traya-vidhurah — although without beginning, end or middle; âdau — in the
beginning; ante — at the end;
3 Maya: We are taught by our great Gurus that the universe is visible
only because of maya. If maya is passed then what will be left would be
only the supreme power. In other words, maya is what gives things mass and
makes them visible. The scientists say Higgs Boson is the invisible
particle which gives matter its mass. In spiritual (Hindu)parleys Brahmam
is considered matter. They say Higggs boson is difficult to see. Same is
said about maya. The definition is 'Ya maa, sa maaya' means 'that which is
not there is maya' This is what I understood. [KR 12 the July 2012 in
these groups]
4 It is Lord Nataraja, the very personification of creation and
destruction and whose very form signifies cosmic dance, who stands to
welcome scientists who enter CERN, the Research Centre where they
identified the ‘God Particle’ On June 18, 2004, an unusual new landmark
was unveiled at CERN, the European Center for Research in Particle Physics
in Geneva — a 2m tall statue of the Indian deity Shiva Nataraja, the Lord
of Dance. The statue, symbolizing Shiva's cosmic dance of creation and
destruction, was given to CERN by the Indian government to celebrate the
research center's long association with India. [KR IRS 12 7 12]
5 In choosing the image of Shiva Nataraja, the Indian government
acknowledged the profound significance of the metaphor of Shiva's dance for
the cosmic dance of subatomic particles, which is observed and analyzed by
CERN's physicists. The parallel between Shiva's dance and the dance of
subatomic particles was first discussed by Fritjof Capra in an article
titled "The Dance of Shiva: The Hindu View of Matter in the Light of Modern
Physics," published in Main Currents in Modern Thought in 1972. Shiva's
cosmic dance then became a central metaphor in Capra's international
bestseller The Tao of Physics, first published in 1975 and still in print
in over 40 editions around the world. (KR IRS 13 7 12). A special
plaque next to the Shiva statue at CERN explains the significance of the
metaphor of Shiva's cosmic dance with several quotations from The Tao of
Physics. Here is the text of the plaque: Ananda K. Coomaraswamy, seeing
beyond the unsurpassed rhythm, beauty, power and grace of the Nataraja,
once wrote of it "It is the clearest image of the activity of God which any
art or religion can boast of." More recently, Fritjof Capra explained that
"Modern physics has shown that the rhythm of creation and destruction is
not only manifest in the turn of the seasons and in the birth and death of
all living creatures, but is also the very essence of inorganic matter,"
and that "For the modern physicists, then, Shiva's dance is the dance of
subatomic matter." It is indeed as Capra concluded: "Hundreds of years ago,
Indian artists created visual images of dancing Shivas in a beautiful
series of bronzes. In our time, physicists have used the most advanced
technology to portray the patterns of the cosmic dance. The metaphor of the
cosmic dance thus unifies ancient mythology, religious art and modern
physics."
6 Coomaraswamy’s summary of the essential significance of the image
of dancing Siva and Kaimal’s account of this image as an object of victory
offer evidences to the development of this new practice. Based on a number
of textual evidences including from the Saiva works of Tamil namely
Unmaiviðakkam (Revelation of the truth) and Tirumoolar’s Tirumantiram.
Coomaraswamy considers a tripartite view of ˜Siva’s dance: “First, it is
the image of his Rhythmic Play as the Source of all Movement within the
Cosmos, which is represented by the Arch; Secondly, the Purpose of his
Dance is to Release the Countless souls of men from the Snare of Illusion;
Thirdly the place of the Dance, Chidambaram, the Center of the Universe, is
within the Heart” (Coomaraswamy 1970: 75). More explicit account of the
view that Chidambaram is the center of the universe and of every human
heart can be noticed in Chidambara-mahatmya, - written during ca. 12th
century A.D. - a priestly redaction of old and new stories designed to
present Chidambaram (Kaimal 1999: 406 and Zvelebil 1998).
7 References to Chidambaram as the center of the universe is found in
Puranas. One of the celebrated Puranas called Tiruvilayadal Puranam “games
of the sacred Lord” composed by Parañchoti munivar during the 11th century
A.D. characterizes the town of Chidambaram being the heart and Madurai
being the head of the Man, who is lying on the entire region of Tamil Nadu.
These verses contain the direct revealed teachings of the Lord himself –
similar to what is referred to in Meister (1990: 4) about the Vaishnava
samhitas and Saiva agamas.
“We perform that dance,
in this Velliyambalam (Madurai)”, Said the Lord.
“The World is nothing but a Human Form!
Heart is the Ponnambalam (Chidambaram) and
Top of head is this Velliyambalam”,
proclaimed the Lord gracefully.
Oh! The Lord! “What the other parts are then?”
asked the Saints.
The Lord Says!
World is the human body, so to say!
There exists limitless Sanctorum on this earth!
To describe them all, impossible it would be!
We explain some, listen you all.{Verse 456 2 & 3 }
The celebrated dance of Siva is said to have taken place at the Hall of
Cit-Sabha “Hall of consciousness” in the Nataraja’s temple of Chidambaram,
an earlier name of which is, Chit-sabgha; what is symbolized by the term
*Cit-Sabh*a is nothing more than the meaning of the term Cit or the *Bhindu
*on the forehead – a point of union of Siva and *Sakti.*. The names
“Chidambaram” and “Citrambalam” are, thus, derived from the same root,
which is Cit, *“the consciousness”, *which is equivalent to the Sanskrit
word *cittah *meaning ‘heart’ or ‘mind’. “Consciousness” or “the point of
pervading energy” from a point on the forehead is comparable to what
Meister calls the human body as the temple - “the ultimate temple in
ancient India was the human body” .
8 Einstein’s mass energy relation was considered to be one of the
finest discoveries in the field of physics. Einstein was the first
scientist to propose this relation. However, the knowledge of mass energy
relation existed about 2800 years before the birth of Sir Albert Einstein
in India. There is a striking resemblance between the Einstein’s Mass
Energy Relation and the Cosmic Dance of Lord Nataraja. Nataraja or Nataraj,
The Lord (or King) of Dance; (Kooththan, in Tamil) is a depiction of the
Hindu god Shiva as the cosmic dancer. Koothan performs his divine dance to
destroy a weary universe and make preparations for god Brahma to start the
process of creation. This cosmic dance gives a clear picture of the
creation of the universe, the Big Bang Theory and the mass energy relation.
A Tamilian concept, Shiva was first depicted as Nataraja in the famous
Chola bronzes and sculptures of Chidambaram. The dance of Shiva in Tillai,
the traditional name for Chidambaram, forms the motif for all the
depictions of Shiva as Nataraja. He is also known as “Sabesan” which splits
as “Sabayil aadum eesan” in Tamil which means “The Lord who dances on the
dais“. The form is present in most Shiva temples in South India, and is the
main deity in the famous temple.
9 The two most common forms of Shiva’s dance are the Lasya (the
gentle form of dance), associated with the creation of the world, and the
Tandava (the violent and dangerous dance), associated with the destruction
of weary worldviews – weary perspectives & lifestyles. In essence, the
Lasya and the Tandavaare just two aspects of Shiva’s nature; for he
destroys in order to create, tearing down to build again.
Characteristics of the Idol:
• A cobra uncoils from his lower right forearm, and the crescent moon
and a skull are on his crest. He dances within an arch of flames. This
dance is called the Dance of Bliss, aananda taandavam.
• The upper right hand holds a small drum shaped like an hourglass
that is called a ḍamaru in Sanskrit. A specific hand gesture (mudra) called
ḍamaru-hasta (Sanskrit for “ḍamaru-hand”) is used to hold the drum. It
symbolizes sound originating creation. {BIG BANG}
• The upper left hand contains Agni or fire, which signifies
destruction. The opposing concepts in the upper hands show the counterpoise
of creation and destruction. {KR: Rig vedam the space and time had the
first word starting with “A” “agni. Creation started the AGNI and the
destruction agni swallowing all and Yajna is agni swallowing; science also
says that it was burning all the time , so hot , then cooled by APA (Vedam
said it already) }}
• The second right hand shows the Abhaya mudra (meaning fearlessness
in Sanskrit), bestowing protection from both evil and ignorance to those
who follow the righteousness of dharma.
• The second left hand points towards the raised foot which
signifies upliftment
and liberation.
• The dwarf on which Nataraja dances is the demon [[Apasmara][Muyalaka
as known in Tamil]], which symbolizes Shiva’s victory over ignorance(id).
• As the Lord of Dance, Nataraja, Shiva performs the tandava, the
dance in which the universe is created, maintained, and dissolved. Shiva’s
long, matted tresses, usually piled up in a knot, loosen during the dance
and crash into the heavenly bodies, knocking them off course or destroying
them utterly.
• The surrounding flames represent the manifest Universe. Also, the
circle of fire/flames symbolizes the cycle of transmigration/suffering the
ego goes through (endless births and rebirths, before attaining salvation).
• The snake swirling around his waist is kundalini, the Shakti or
divine force thought to reside within everything.
• The stoic face of Shiva represents his neutrality, thus being in
balance.
10 Significance:
• First, it is seen as the image of his rhythmic play which is the
source of all movement within the universe. This is represented by the
circular or elliptical frame surrounding the Lord.{EARTH}
• Secondly, the purpose of his dance is to release the souls of all
men from the snare of illusion.
• Lastly, the place of the dance, Chidambaram, which is portrayed as
the center of the universe, is actually within the heart.{SIMPLE CHIDAMBARA
RAGASYAM} • Dancing is seen as an art in which the artist and the
art s/he creates are one and the same, thought to evoke the oneness of God
and creation.
11 In the compact spiritual texts of divine knowledge, the holy Geeta,
there are three basic guna: Satvic, Tamsic and Rajsic. These combine with
each other, and the life forms are created as a result of this divine
activity. These life forms remain devoid of prana (breath), until the
Divine entity infuses them with life. The Geeta says the division of the
Divine entity is ninefold, of which eight can be known by humans, but the
ninth is eternally unexplainable and hidden and secret. These eight
divisions are,Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Akash, Mana, Buddhi, Ahamkara.
Nataraj is a visual interpretation of Brahman and a dance posture of Lord
Shiva. It is the representation of reality at the time of cosmic
destruction. We being life forms, cosmic destruction would mean the
disappearance of all life. The half moon shown in the head of Nataraj is a
symbol only. The fall of the moon would result in cosmic destruction.
12 The third eye on the forehead of the Lord is a symbol. The serpent
wrapped around the neck is a cosmic entity, just as Shiv. Other Vedic texts
mention a cosmic serpent called Kundalini, present in every living form at
the base of the spinal cord. Myths abound about Kundalini’s presence and
the cosmic dangers associated with its arousal. More abstract and invisible
divine energy centers, called Chakras, are associated with its Rise.
13 I submit some of the comments of famous scientists about the cosmic
dance which is sufficient to prove that the Indians knew the creation of
universe, The Big Bang theory and the Mass Energy Relationship.
1 Sir Jacob Epstein, “Shiva dances, creating the world and destroying it,
his large rhythms conjure up a vast aeons (aeons mean a period of one
thousand million years) of time, and his movements have a relentless
magical power of incantation. Our European allegories are banal and
pointless by comparison with these profound works, devoid of the trappings
of symbolism, concentrating on the essential, and the essentially plastic.”
2 Carl Sagan, in his book, “Cosmos” asserts that the Dance of Nataraja
(Tandava) signifies the cycle of evolution and destruction of the cosmic
universe (Big Bang Theory). “It is the clearest image of the activity of
God which any art or religion can boast of.” Modern physics has shown that
the rhythm of creation and destruction is not only manifest in the turn of
the seasons and in the birth and death of all living creatures, but also
the very essence of inorganic matter. For modern physicists, then, Shiva’s
dance is the dance of subatomic matter. Hundreds of years ago, Indian
artist created visual images of dancing Shiva in a beautiful series of
bronzes. Today, physicists have used the most advanced technology to
portray the pattern of the cosmic dance. Thus, the metaphor of the cosmic
dance unifies ancient religious art and modern physics. Shiva’s dance is a
symbol of the unity and rhythm of existence. The pictorial allegory of
Nataraja indicates the so-called “five acts” of the deity: the creation of
the universe, its sustenance in space, its final dissolution at the end of
the cycle of four world ages (yugas), the concealment of the nature of the
godhead, and the bestowal of true knowledge.
3 Fritjof Capra (1939-) Austrian-born famous theoretical high-energy
physicist and ecologist wrote: “Modern physics has thus revealed that every
subatomic particle not only performs an energy dance, but also is an energy
dance; a pulsating process of creation and destruction. The dance of Shiva
is the dancing universe, the ceaseless flow of energy going through an
infinite variety of patterns that melt into one another”. For the modern
physicists, then Shiva’s dance is the dance of subatomic matter. As in
Hindu mythology, it is a continual dance of creation and destruction
involving the whole cosmos; the basis of all existence and of all-natural
phenomenon. Hundreds of years ago, Indian artists created visual images of
dancing Shivas in a beautiful series of bronzes. In our times, physicists
have used the most advanced technology to portray the patterns of the
cosmic dance.”
14 The posture and balance of Nataraja’s dancing form show Lord Shiva
in the aspect of tamas, the expansive centrifugal force that creates and
destroys the universe. This is the first of the three “tendencies” (gunas)
that permeate the universe in Samkhya philosophy. Tamas (darkness),
symbolized by Shiva, is responsible for the constant birth, change and
death of all living things; the force sattva (tranquility) represented by
Vishnu the Preserver, holds the atoms of every object together. These two
“tendencies” – one holding the atoms of the universe together and the other
ripping them apart – create a “friction” (rajas) that “vibrates” the
world’s atoms and creates the gravity to hold them to the earth. This is
the third tendency, symbolized by the deity Brahma. It is the building
stuff both of matter and of subtle energies such as perception and thought.
15 Consciousness inhabits all living things and has permeated the
universe since it was created from its original Bindu (energy center){KR:
People who had read the Bindu Upanishad may understand this, which I had
written long ago}. The first stave of the universe was filled by “space”:
the potential area in which the world will “expand” with the energy of
Shiva’s aspect as tamas. At the end of Kali Yuga (the current age of
ignorance), the expansion accelerates, everything merges and Shiva performs
the terrible Tandavam dance of destruction.
16 The most important Shiva image during the Chola dynasty was that of
Shiva as Lord of the Dance, or Shiva Nataraja. In this form, Shiva is a
summation of Indian religion, philosophy and culture. Shiva’s dance is of
cosmic significance and represents five principal manifestations of eternal
energy:{KR:RAISING A PANCHA BHOOTHA STHALAM ASSUME SIGNIFICANCE AND I HAD
WRITTEN OVER HERE, COSTRUCTION OF THE 5 TEMPLES IN A LINE LONGITUDE 72
DEGREES} Creation, Destruction, Preservation, Salvation, and Illusion. He
holds in his upper right hand a small drum, the symbol of the sound of
creation. In his upper left hand is a flame representing the final
destruction of the universe. His lower right hand makes the gesture “fear
not.” With his lower left hand, he points to his raised left foot, the
place of refuge and salvation for the devotee. His right foot is planted on
the back of the demon Apasmara Purusha, the personifying illusion of
ignorance over whom Shiva triumphs. In Shiva’s hairdo sits the river
goddess Ganga, the personification of the Ganges River which is said to
spring forth from Shiva’s head.
17 The dancing lord Shiva represents the constant process of creation,
preservation and destruction of the universe. He trods on the dwarf,
symbolic of Ignorance, which must be eliminated if a believer is to attain
release from the eternal cycle of birth and death. In Shiva’s upper hands
are a drum, symbol of creation, and fire, symbol of destruction. This
magnificently modelled bronze image is a superb example of Chola
workmanship. The entire Universe is then engaged in movement and endless
activity, in an uninterrupted cosmic dance of energy. In Hindu iconography
the images that represent this dance are shown with Nataraja dancing with
four arms and waving hair and should be read as pictorial allegories. The
upper right hand holds a small drum shaped as a clepsydra, which according
to Zimmer keeps the rhythms of sound, the vehicle of the word transmitting
revelation tradition and enchantment. The opposite hand, on the top left,
with fingers postured as half-moon, (ardhachandra mudra), carries a Flame,
the element of destruction of the world on the palm of the hand. In the
balance of the hands creation and destruction are shown as counterweights
in the game of the cosmic dance made evident even by the quietness and
serenity of Shiva’s face at the centre between the two hands. The second
right hand is making the gesture of ‘motto fear ‘ that gives peace and
protection, while the last left hand, suspended at the height of the
breast, points toward the left foot symbolizing liberation from the
enchantment of Maya.
18 Universally regarded as the quintessential image of Hindu art and
culture, representations of the god Shiva dancing in joyous abandonment
within a circle of flames graphically depict his five cosmic acts of
creation, preservation, destruction, unveiling of illusion, and liberation
of the soul. His creative aspect is symbolized by the hourglass-shaped
drum, in his proper upper right hand, which reproduces the primordial sound
of creation. Shiva’s preservation of the universe is suggested by his lower
right hand held in the gesture of reassurance and safety. The flame in his
upper left hand and that encircling the aureole represent the fire by which
he destroys the universe in order to recreate it. He lifts the veil of
illusion through his engendering act of dancing. His liberation of the soul
is shown by his upraised left leg, which tramples on a prostrate infant
signifying forgetfulness and is thus a source of grace. While Shiva is
believed to dance in various forms and locales for differing purposes, in
this pose as Lord of the Dance (Nataraja), he is praised by the renowned
eighteenth-century South Indian poet Thayumanavar as performing the “Dance
of Bliss in the Hall of Consciousness.” The dance of bliss is specifically
associated with Chidambaram, the sacred center of Nataraja worship, where
Shiva is said to have first performed it in order to convert a group of
holy men who were engaged in heretical practices. Chidambaram is also the
site of the great twelfth-century temple specifically dedicated to Shiva’s
aspect as Lord of the Dance. The temple has a silver image of the dancing
god as its main icon, and the gateway around the complex is adorned with
sculpted depictions of the 108 basic postures of classical Indian dance,
Bharata Natyam, which has been performed since at least the second century
B.C.
19 As Shiva Nataraja, Lord of the Dance, Shiva enacts the end of the
world. He is the symbol of death but only of death as the generator of life
and as a source of that creative power ever renewed by Vishnu and Brahma.
He evokes the most intense adoration from devotees for he fascinates even
as he terrifies. He dances for cosmic re-creation. Shiva’s dance of bliss
is the catalyst for the destruction of one period of time and the creation
of a new cosmos. He has a third eye in the center of his forehead, the
skull and crescent moon in his headdress. He has long, matted hair and
there is a small female figure of the river goddess Ganga in the loose
locks of hair twirling around head. The Indian genius for expressing
movement in sculpture derives in large part from the high aesthetic value
that dancing holds in Indian tradition. It is the posturing and movements
of the dance that inspire the imagination of the sculptor. The four arms
display the powers of Shiva. The upper right holds the drum or vibrant
rattle of creation. The upper left holds the flame of destruction. The
lower right hand is raised in the gesture of protection. The lower
left-hand points to the upraised foot that symbolizes escape from illusion,
represented by the dwarf whom he crushes beneath his right foot. The drum
is a symbol of rhythm and sound. The matted hair symbolizes his power (like
Samson). Crescent moon is the symbol of growth and birth.
20 Richard Waterstone studied Sanskrit at the University of Edinburgh,
journalist, creator of BBC documentary, author, comments in his book on
India: “Living Wisdom” “Shiva’s dance is a symbol of the unity and rhythm
of existence. The unending dynamic process of creation and destruction is
expressed in the energetic posture of the god. Shiva dances in a ring of
fire that refers to the life-death process of the universe.”
20A *** “There is a striking resemblance between the equivalence of mass
and energy symbolized by Shiva’s cosmic dance and the Western theory, first
expounded by Einstein, which calculates the amount of energy contained in a
subatomic particle by multiplying its mass by the square of the speed of
light: E=mc2.” Well before 700 BC. Indian sages were chanting” neti neti” (
Rig Vedam) (not that, not that), denying the ultimate reality of an
external world in which they saw little more than illusion, and searching
instead for the eternal spark of Brahman in the soul within all beings.
Roger Housden, author of “Travels Through Sacred India” and a student of
the spiritual traditions of India for over 20 years, concurs in his
book:”Time, for example, is intimately connected with the goddess Kali,
which partly accounts for her destructive nature. Energy – in Einstein’s
equation, E=mc2 – is personified in India as Shakti in her various guises.”
ii E = mc2. It's the world's most famous equation, but what does it
really mean? "Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared." On the
most basic level, the equation says that energy and mass (matter) are
interchangeable; they are different forms of the same thing. The
reason is that whenever you convert part of a walnut or any other piece of
matter to pure energy, the resulting energy is by definition moving at the
speed of light. Pure energy is electromagnetic radiation—whether light or
X-rays or whatever—and electromagnetic radiation travels at a constant
speed of 300,000 km/sec (186,000 miles/sec). Energy is two kinds; Potential
which is not zero but almost a zero; kinetic which is moving, accelerating,
speed; creating a force; where F=MA. The effective force always depends on
2 things 1 The mass and the speed. Einstein saw light as speediest bird and
felt, nothing can travel faster than the light.
20B Albert Einstein initially wrote down was this: “If a body gives
off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/C².” It
means that E/C2=M. Where the mass is equal to the energy (ardhanareeswara)
speed of consumption while enhancing the energy on explosion diminishes the
Mass, thus proving also matter is indestructible which is the Finite of
Vedas. You may imagine that second of Hiroshima, explosion. In Rig Veda-
‘Yatha Pinde, Tatha Brahmande; Yatha Brahmande, Tatha Pinde‘. This is
exactly the famous ‘Mass Energy Equivalence Theory, E= mc2‘; The
famous hymn ‘Yatha Pinde, Tatha Brahmande; Yatha Brahmande, Tatha Pinde‘ is
written in Yajurveda and a similar shloka is also written in Rigveda with
some alter words. What does it mean? As is the body, so is the universe and
vice-versa.{KR IRS 29 03 23 }
21 As far as 27, 54 marks around the ring , it is tatva of sastra ,
thought by architects as 14, 21, 23 ,24, 27, 32, 54 68 and so many patterns
are there; also in Bhamini Karnataka, there is a Nataraja , under whom,
there is no muyalagan @# Apasmaram. And the details which are given from
2012 to 2023 had explained the significance of Nataraja; and there was 23
feet tall Nataraja at Kumbakonam; and now at Delhi Bharat Maidan, the
height is still more. K Rajaram IRS 8 9 23
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