Hello idiot Narayanasamy You are only adding personal attacks and a mere denial which is nothing but an or so many assertions. You do not know anything except abuse piled up. Do not expose your ignorance as all [except 2] do know that you are not only imbecile, but also ignorant of all and you were only acting as prudent. So write with evidence as you are after all an illiterate and no authority to call ancient writers as fools or stop writing abuses. I called you only as an idiot and do not force me to add more along with jalras. KR IRS 281123
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 at 09:37 Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] apasutram in detail Part 1 To: iyer <[email protected]> Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> Dear folks The modern-day avatharam KR IRS 271123, of notorious blasphemer Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty does not need opinions: he needs authority. But he himself is more than free about flinging abroad, in his typical gutter/sewer broken English his own opinions, e.g.:- (1) "*In the context of the above verse it appears that everything is water, but on the other look each time Aapa is used it seems to infer a different meaning ."* (2) "*It is customary to chant Mantrapushpam from Vedas at the conclusion of sixteen steps of worship (Shoedasa upachaara pooja) of the Lord in temples.*" My comments: The unschooled uneducated stupid ignorant idiot does not identify the series of manthrams, commencing, "yo paam pushppam veda..." and ending "yo apsu naavam prathishtithaam veda. ptathyeva thishtathi" as being part and parcel of yajur-veda thaiththireeya aranyakam Cap. I, v v 78 to 84. 3) "(KR It is not idagum but IDAGAM OPENING AND EXPANDING THE MOUTH EXPRESSION)." Again, the same stupid ignorant idiot who has not attended any veda-class nor studied anything under any competent guru, blindly and boldly asserts his own prejudiced personal opinion. Without any authority. Had he attended veda paata-shaala, diligently listened to his gurus, and ingested and duly remembered what was taught, he would know that the correct pronunciation of the expression is "aapo va IDAGUM sarvam" and not "IDAGAM'. (4) "*After deluge there was lull. Nothing stirred. Vishnu rested in perfect tranquility on the endless coils of Adiseshaa who was Ananta, the serpent of Time waiting for the reawakening of the world.*" My comments:- The same idiot's personal opinion falsely camouflaged as interpretation. There was no "deluge" unlike the Jewish Biblic destruction by a revanchist, enraged, very human God-Jehovah (JHWH) of all life on Earth through forty days and forty nights of incessant heavy rain, saving only in the ark built by Noah "seed progenitors" consisting of just two representatives each of all animal, reptile, and insect species. Moreover, the name of the serpent Anantha mentioned in the puraanams (not in the vedams) meant only "endless"; nothing at all to do with Time or the "reawakening of the world". And, the name "aadishesha" means, as any child learning Sanskrit (which the said idiot is not) would know, "beginning-and-end". (5) "*T**he Lord in his visible form surrounded by water supporting the flower rising from his navel or floating on a leaf as Puranas describe based on Vedic statements.*" My comments:- A shameless, brash and bold lie, intended to deceive an unwary public. There are NO "Vedic statements" whatsoever about aadi paraamaathma being "surrounded by water and a flower rising from his navel." The rantings and ravings of the said idiot are full of such falsities shamelessly and recklessly presented as truths, whether Vedic or Puranic. They are simply the unbridled fantasies of an egomaniac searching desperately for an outlet for his advanced incurable insanity. S Narayanaswamy Iyer On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 9:17 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't need your opinion; I need authority for your write up; can you ? > KR IRS 271123 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 at 16:10 > Subject: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] apasutram in detail Part 1 > To: iyer <[email protected]> > Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > > > Dear folks > > Another attempt of the fifth-columnist devotee of Asaduddin/Zakir Naik and > dalit-by-choice-and-temperament KR IRS 271123, trying to sneak > illicitly into the company of true practising braahmanas by copy-pasting a > lot of junk gathered in the course of his dustbin-picking and garbage-heap > raiding. > > One dipstick example:- > > "*The syllable Om added to Gayatreeseersha represents Parabrahman in the > three aspects of Brahmaa, Vishnu and Siva responsible for the creation, > preservation and dissolution of the universe.*" > > My comments. > > The chant "om aapo jyothee raso amrutham brahma bhoor-bhuv-svara om" at > the end of the praanayaamam breath-control-exercise has nothing at all to > do with the thri-moorthis Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. > > The very concept of these three entities came about long, long after the > birth and inception of the vedam as an undifferentiated single mass of > manthrams before humans partitioned it into r'g, yajur, and saama. > > The "brahma" mentioned in the praanaayaama manthram refers to the aadi > parabrahmam ensconced in the shabdam "om" ! And nothing else. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 1:01 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> aapovaa idagam sarvam >> >> ApovA idagam sarvam // vishvA bhutAny ApaH // prANA vA ApaH pashava ApO// >> $nnamApO// $mritamApas//-samrADaapO// virADApas-// svarADApa // >> sh-chandAgsyaapO// jOtIgshyApo// yajoogshyApas-// satyamApas-// >> sarvA-dEvatApO// bhoor bhuvas suvar Apa Om! >> >> >> >> "Aap" seems to imply >> >> To obtain/attain/get, >> >> To reach/go/overtake, >> >> pervade, occupy; To become filled; >> >> To cause one to feel or perceive; >> >> Water, one of the eight Vasus; Sky etc. In the context of the above >> verse it appears that everything is water, but on the other look each time >> Aapa is used it seems to infer a different meaning to the word depending on >> the associated idea. For example: "Aapova idagam sarvam" can be "that >> everything that we see around is nothing but water or sky; or that water or >> sky pervades everything"! But, in the context of "prANa vA aPaH" the prANa >> is all pervading, and the this vishva is pervaded by sky and the >> "pashavah". That all pervading thing is "satyam"; the devatas are to be >> obtained or reached in "sarva-dEvatApo" and so on. >> >> 2 It is customary to chant Mantrapushpam from Vedas at the conclusion >> of sixteen steps of worship (Shoedasa upachaara pooja) of the Lord in >> temples. The first mantra of Mantra Pushpam says that there was a >> universe destroyed by floods which came from Narayana. From that water came >> all life and creation for a new universe. The second mantra says that fire >> is source of water indicating that another time the existing universe was >> destroyed by fire, which also caused everything to become liquid, and gas, >> which gave rise to water after cooling. The third mantra says that water >> came from the sun. That indicates that one universe was destroyed when the >> sun exploded and gases formed and later the gases cooled to form water. The >> fifth mantra says that water came from the moon. That indicates that one >> universe cooled off and died and later water formed from the elements and a >> new universe was born. Then the sixth mantra says that water came from the >> stars. That indicates that one universe got destroyed when the stars came >> closer to each other and collided. The resulting mass gave rise to water >> after cooling. The seventh mantra says that water came from clouds. That >> indicates that one universe got destroyed when god sent the clouds to rain >> incessantly and to flood the universe. The last mantra says that the water >> came from time. >> >> 3 Water has always been looked upon with great reverence, being an >> important element in sustaining life. Around 70% of human body constitutes >> water. In Vedic tradition water is an object of worship. In Bhakti Marga >> water is not only worshipped but also used as a tool of worship as >> recommended in Geeta by the Lord Himself—patram pushpam phalam toyam yo >> mae bhaktya prayachchati. In the earliest revelation we visualize the Lord >> in his visible form surrounded by water supporting the flower rising from >> his navel or floating on a leaf as Puranas describe based on Vedic >> statements. This flower and leaf too needed the support of water. Fruit >> resulted in flowers. These four things are used in worship today. Lord is >> invoked as Varuna Devataaa and glorified in the Vedic hymns such as >> Hiranyagarbha Sookta, Aghamarshana Sookta, and Varuna Sookta. Since it has >> an inherent quality of cleansing, water is also used for religious >> purification rituals. In many of the obligatory Vedic rituals prescribed >> for an individual, water is used either for purifying oneself and also the >> material used for worship, or as an ablution to the deities and ancestors. >> The rivers in India are worshipped with devotion. In the sanctum sanctorum >> of the temple at Tiruvaanaikoil in Tamil Nadu, the Linga (visible-invisible >> form) of Shiva is worshipped as Aaapu Linga, and so water is always present >> round the Linga. Siva is worshipped here as a water element, one of the >> Panchabhootas. >> >> After deluge there was lull. Nothing stirred. Vishnu rested in perfect >> tranquility on the endless coils of Adiseshaa who was Ananta, the serpent >> of Time waiting for the reawakening of the world. Around him, stretching >> into the infinity stood the still primeval Waters. In them lay dissolved >> all that once existed without any form or identity. He was in his >> Yoga-Nidra, cosmic slumber. He then opened his eyes, setting his next drama >> of creation. From his body part, navel a thousand petal lotus emerged; on >> it sat Brahma the creator, so say the Puranas. Was that all a fantasy? Was >> it all water only? Then lotus and Brahmaa came from somewhere, who knows >> where from? Vedas say Aaapah jyoti-rasah Brahma bhoor bhuvah suvarom—He is >> water, light, flavor and ambrosia and also the three worlds. Aapah >> expresses the omnipresent imparity existence which is also the jyotis or >> self-luminous Pure Consciousness. The same Truth or Reality is >> rasah—original bliss and amritam—Immortality. It is Brahman because Brahma >> is not limited by time, space and causality. Brahman comes from the >> Sanskrit word of the root brih to grow which never stops growing. The same >> Reality is bhuh, bhuvah the substrate of all that exists and suvah the >> dissolver. We therefore come across water as a Vyaahriti or attribute of >> Brahman in Vedas often. It all started with water. So water is meditated >> upon as the Supreme Being; and all gods are in it—aapah sarvaa devataa. >> Puranas project Vishnu lying as a child on a banyan leaf floating on water, >> Vatapatra Saayee before everything else that came into existence. Here >> again it was all water everywhere! >> >> 4 Hiranyagarbha sookta of Rigveda Samhita says that creation >> started by water as per the will of the Supreme Being as expressed in the >> in the mantras below: >> >> Aapo ha yanmahateer-viswamaayan daksham dadhaanaa janyanteer-agnim | >> >> tatoe devaanaam niravarta-tataasurekah kasmai devaaya havishaa vidhema || >> >> Yaaschid-aapo mahinaa paryapasyat daksham dadhaanaa janyantee-ragnim | >> >> Yo deveshvadhi deva eka aaseet kasmai devaaya havishaa vidhema || {KR >> IF SOME FOOLS SAY IT IS COPIED FROM YAJURVEDAM ETC PASS ON} >> >> The vast causal waters capable of originating the four-faced Brahma, the >> first born and which were energetic in producing the cosmic egg pervaded >> all entities. He who created such waters first became the supporter of all >> entities being the one breath of all gods. May we offer our oblations to >> that Lord of all creatures! That Lord viewed the waters by virtue of his >> greatness in such a way that they would be able to create the cosmic egg >> and others. He, the creator of this universe was by his very nature the one >> god over all other gods. May we offer our oblations unto the Lord of all >> people! [It implies here that water is the Vyahriti or attribute of the >> Supreme Being that started creation, the first resulting creation being >> four-faced Brahmaa.] >> >> 5 Vedas say tad Brahma tad aapah—that is Brahma that is water. >> Narayanopanishad >> says that Causal waters holding within it the power of unfoldment and the >> capacity to produce fire transformed itself into the form of the world and >> from whom the one breath of all gods came into existence. It thus says >> that even fire was produced from water due to the will of the Supreme. >> >> (Aapo ha yanmahateer-viswamaayam daksham dadhaanaa janyanteeragnim|tatoe >> devaanaa niravartutaasurekah kasmai devaaya havishaa vidhema). Vedas also >> mention Varuna as the King of Waters who is a Vedic deity and a vyaahriti >> (attribute) of Brahman. >> >> 6 Varuna, King of Waters effaces our sins and dwells in sources of >> waters like rivers, tanks and wells and purifies our sins as expressed in >> Aghamarshana >> Sookta: >> >> Yat Prithivyaa(ga)m rajah swam-antarikshe virodasee | imaa(ga)ms-tadaapo >> varunah punaatu aghamarshanah || >> >> May these waters and Varuna, their presiding deity, the destroyer of >> sins, purify me of all my sins done in both the worlds, this earth, >> atmospheric region and in the space connected between the earth and heaven! >> [God >> Varuna is well-known as the destroyer of sins. Rajas may mean dirt as well >> as sins. Waters are purifiers of both. This mantra is for the destruction >> of sins] >> >> 7 Esha bhootasya madhye bhuvanasya goptaa | Esha punya-kritaan >> lokaanesha mrityor-hiranmayam || >> >> Dyaavaaprithivyo hiranmaya(ga)m Sa(ga)msrita(ga)m suvah | sa nah suvah >> sa(ga)m sisaadhi || >> >> This Varuna is the protector of the world that was in the past and that >> would be in the future. He is the protector of the worlds that are gained >> by those that have done meritorious deeds (punya). He protects the Golden >> World of the Dhyaavaprithavee. He grants to the doers of meritorious deeds >> the worlds which they deserve and to the sinful the world of death called >> Hiranmaya. Again Varuna, the supporter of Heaven and Earth, having become >> the Sun is wholesome and attractive. Being such blissful in nature, Oh >> Varuna, have mercy on us and purify us! >> >> [These mantras are repeated while dipping oneself in water during >> bathing.] >> >> 8 Naraayanopanishad has more mantras to be uttered while taking a dip >> in water. These are: >> >> Atyaasanaadateepaanaat, yaccha ugraat pratigrahaat|tanme varunoe raajaa >> paaninaa hyavamarsatu|| So-ahamapaapo virajo nirmukto muktakilbishah | >> naakasya prishthamaaruhya gachched-brahmasalokatam || >> >> May the King Varuna efface by his hand whatever sin I have incurred by >> unlawful eating, unlawful drinking and accepting gifts from an unlawful >> person! Thus being sinless, stainless and unbound by evil and bondage, May >> I ascend to the happy heaven and enjoy equality of status with Brahman! >> >> 9 The aim of the aspirant is to become god-like in the highest heaven. >> For him life on earth therefore must be an effort for freedom from sin and >> attainment of purity. Taking holy dip in sacred waters during pilgrimage is >> an important ritual for Hindus. Specific days and time are also earmarked >> as auspicious for this holy dip. >> >> 10 Rig Veda contains mantras for the invocation of holy rivers in >> connection with purification rites. To the Vedic seers the great rivers >> mentioned in the mantra as well as the later verse represented divinity. >> They often expressed their devotion and gratitude to these life-sustaining >> and purifying rivers by appropriate invocation which practice is seen even >> today in all Hindu rituals. The holy waters are prayed to make their >> presence in the waters to purify one who takes a bath in it. This is >> expressively seen in the verse priests usually chant to consecrate the >> waters used in the worship of the lord By way of Kalasa: >> >> Gange cha Yamunaa chaiva Godavari Sarasawati Narmade Sindhu Kaveri >> jalesmin sannidhim kuru || Oh Ganga, Yamuna, Godavari, Sarasvati, Narmada, >> Sindhu and Kaveri please make your presence in these waters contained in >> the pot. This modern verse has its origin in the Rigvedic mantra: >> >> Imam me gange yamune sarasvati sutudri stoma sachataa | asakniyaa >> marudvridhe vitastaya-arjakeeye srinuhyaa sushomayaa || >> >> Oh Gangaa, Oh Yamunaa, Oh Sarasvatee, Oh Sutudree, Oh Marudvridha, Oh >> Aarjakeeya, come together and listen to this hymn of mine along with >> Parusni, Asikni, Vitastaa and Sushomaa. Having come upon here please listen >> to this praise offered by me. Sushomaa is the river that flows through a >> region where soma creepers used in Vedic sacrifices grow. Vitastaa never >> dried up. Sutudree has a fast current. >> >> 11 It is obvious that these are the rivers on the banks of which >> Rigvedic people settled at a very remote period. Sushomaa is identified >> with Sohan, Vitastaa with Jhelum, Asaknee with Chinab, Marudvridhaa with >> Maruwaardwaaan, Purushni with Rabi and Sutudree with Sutlej. >> >> 12 There are mantras contained in Vedas which refer to water as a >> Deity. The Supreme Being is eulogized as Water. The Deity of water is >> supplicated to avert dryness and to cause rain. >> >> Aapo vaa ida(ga)m sarvam // viswaa bhootaany-aapah// praanaa vaa aapah// >> pasava aapo //amritam-aapo// -annam -aapah// samraadaapo// viraad-aapah// >> svaraad-aapach//chandaa(ga)s-yaapo// jyotee(ga)mshi -aapah// >> satyam-aapah// sarvaa devataa aapo// bhoor-bhuvahs-suvar-aapa om ||(KR >> It is not idagum but IDAGAM OPENING AND EXPANDING THE MOUTH EXPRESSION) >> (KR THE BASIC CONCEPT IS ALL ARE BRAHMAM; THERE ARE SIMILAR VERSES AS >> ANNAM CHA BRAHMAN; AHAM CHA BRAHMAN….ETC; SO TOO AAPAHA RIGHT FROM START IS >> BRAHMAM IN EVERY FORM; NEERINDRI AMAYADHU IVVULAGU IS THIRUKKURAL; THE >> WORLD CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT WATER} >> >> 13 The meaning: All this is verily waters. ( aapo vaa…idagam sarvam) >> >> All the entities are waters. (The entire universes Bhutas=viswa Bhutani >> aapaha) >> >> Vital airs are waters. (Pranaa va aapaha) >> >> The animals are water. (pasava aapa) >> >> Waters are nectar. (Amirtham aapa) >> >> Food is water. (annam aapaha) >> >> Waters shine out brilliantly. (sam radha aapo) >> >> Waters are self-luminous. (viradha aapo) >> >> Waters are not having any other one ruling over them. (svaraadh aapa) >> >> The Vedas are waters. (channdagas aapaha chhandas is vedam made up of) >> >> The luminary bodies are waters. (Jyothi Gamshi alapaha; water is >> reflective; self luminous; is atoms of lights ; though all these >> descriptions sound only exclusive and hanging as meaningless to some, all >> the words used here, have meaningful recitations separately elsewhere in >> the Rig vedam, which when read fully, repeated here as verses of the juice, >> thinking, those who recite are the learned) >> >> Truth is water. {satyam aapaha} >> >> All gods are waters. {sarva devatha aapaha; here manifested from Brahmam >> as Gods are all water so Brahmam is water hence Narayanaa is placed in >> water; that which gets manifested from water is only a water} >> >> The three worlds Bhooh, Bhuvah and Suvah are Pranava or Om >> (Brahman).{bhur bhuvas svaro aapaha) hence ekakshaara is also water. >> >> Waters are praised here as everything. Samraat means Emperor. Water is >> the King of kings of the world such as the four-faced Brahma and others. >> Water is Viraat-Purusha described in Purusha Sukta and Vyooha of Vishnu >> as described in Pancharatra Theology. >> >> 14 The two mantras given below 1 and 2 are used for purifying >> ceremoniously with a quantity of water taken through the mouth as a part of >> the Sandhyavandana ritual and also during Aachamana ritual during bath as >> explained in my discourses on Sandhyaavandanam. >> >> Intoning this mantra the twice-born (dwija) drinks a little water in >> the prescribed form with the following thought in mind: “May I become fit >> to enjoy the bliss of liberation in this life through the realization of >> the Supreme. For that may I receive instruction and practice reflection and >> contemplation upon the final teachings of the Vedas with my mind and body >> cleansed of all impurities and sins”. >> >> Water purifies the human body which is constantly rendered unclean >> by exudations. A clean body is an aid for pure mind: >> >> Aapah punantu // prithaveem /prithavee/ pootaa/ punaatu /maam | punantu >> brahmanaspatir-//brahma-pootaa punaatu maam ||1|| >> >> yaducchishtam-abhojyam yadvaa duscharitam mama|sarvam punaatu >> maamaapo-asatam cha pratigraha(ga)m swaaha ||2|| >> >> May this water cleanse my physical body that is made of earthly >> substances! Thus purified, may the earthy body purify the soul within me! >> May the water purify the guardian of the Vedas, my preceptor! May the >> purified Vedas taught by the purified teacher purify me! May defilement >> repast on prohibited food and misconduct if any, and the sin accruing from >> the acceptance of gifts from persons disapproved by the scripture, may I be >> absolved from all these! May the Waters purify me! Obeisance to Water >> Deity! [Brahmanaspati here means the Lord of the Vedas or the four –faced >> Brahma. For those taking bath and chanting this Mantra the preceptor is >> replaced by Brahmaa—May the Supreme purify me! May the water purified by >> the Supreme purify me! Hindus call the preceptor as Brahmaa normally] >> >> 15 In Pranayama Mantra the last section is called Gayatreesiras >> Mantra. This mantra glorifies water as a luminescent body and >> Brahman—Om-aapo-jyotee-rasah- amritam-brahma bhoor-bhuvas-suvaroem. [Water, >> light, the taste, the liberated self are all Brahman (Supreme Being). The >> three Worlds Bhooh, Bhuvah and Suvah alao denote Brahman only. He who is >> denoted by Pranava (om) is all these.] >> >> Gaayatreesiras consisting of sixteen syllables is called so because it >> forms as if it were the head of the formula. Prajaapati is its Rishi. >> Anushtup is the meter and Brahma, Agni and Vaayu are the deities. >> >> The syllable Om added to Gayatreeseersha represents Parabrahman in the >> three aspects of Brahmaa, Vishnu and Siva responsible for the creation, >> preservation and dissolution of the universe. Om consists of three letters >> A, U and M. For any sound one has to open his mouth with A (Creation), U >> continues the Sound (preservation) and M closes the sound (Dissolution) or >> ends. Aapah expresses the omnipresent existence which is also the jyoti >> self-luminous Consciousness. The same Reality is Rasa—original bliss and >> amritam immortality. It is Brahman because it is not limited by time, >> space and casualty. The same Reality is bhooh, being bhuvah, the >> substance of all that exists and suvah, the dissolver. The ending Om >> affirms that Parmaatman described above is the innermost Self or >> Pratyaga-atman. Water and Light stand for all the other three elements >> also. {1 Anantarangacharya, Principal Upanishads, 2. Swami >> Vimalananda, Mahaanaaraayana Upanishad, Ramakrishna Math, Chennai, India. >> 3 Devdutt Pattanaik, Vishnu, Vakils, Feffer and Simons Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai, >> India.} >> >> 16 Incidentally the water earth time, space, meditating Brahmam, >> Brahmanaspati , etc if seen in the depictions at Muktinath temple lord >> Vishnu at Nepal Gandaki River (salagrama) where Brahma on lotus from the >> stomach of Vishnu seen; similarly at Kamakhya assam, shakti @Kali on the >> stomach of Siva where Siva relaxedly lying watching her; both represent one >> thing; >> [image: image.png] >> >> The divine animating principle pervading the universe is Shiva (the guy >> chillin’ on the ground). The word Shiva literally means “that which is not >> ''. Shiva represents unmanifested potential, the still quiet field of >> vibration shimmering with anticipation, waiting to be drawn into form. >> Shiva might be what quantum scientists call Dark Energy; the energy that >> all forms rises from and returns to; the “E” in E=mc2. All that manifests >> rises from and is imbued with the pulsation of Shiva, It is from the >> constant pulse of Shiva’s offering that the universe continues to unfold. >> Shiva has eternal potential but nothing manifests. Shakti (dancing on >> Shiva’s tummy) is the creative drive that organizes the potential of Shiva >> into growing, expanding, waves of expression; like your life and the >> projects and offerings within your life. Hindu art often depicts Shiva >> lying in quiet meditation while Shakti rouses him with her dance. Shiva’s >> quiet stillness is the foundation of Shakti’s creative movement. Shiva >> never moves, but quietly watches Shakti dance. Apa water force; potential >> and kinetic; stagnant and skimming; a wonderful representation of power of >> water. GANTAKI AND BRAHMAPUTRA; WATER OF GANDAKI BLACK AND BRAHMAPUTRA 3 >> DAYS RED COLOUR; SCIENCE SAYS GANTAKI IN THE BACKGROUND OF CLAY AND >> BRAHMAPUTRA IN THE BACKGROUND OF HILL REGION MERCURY SULPHIDE MIX; VEDA >> SAID VISHNU AND BRAHMA AS POTENTIAL AND KINETIC AS ALL EMANATED AFTER >> BRAHMA; AND SIMILAR SHIVA-SHAKTYA (SOUNDARYA LAHARI) POTENTIAL AND KINETIC >> SHAKTI. 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