Ascertaining by Temptations Purity or Impurity in the Character of Ministers.
Assisted by his prime minister (mantri <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mantri#hinduism>) and his high priest, the king shall, by offering temptations, examine the character of ministers (amātya <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/amatya#arthashastra>) appointed in government departments of ordinary nature. The king shall dismiss a priest who, when ordered, refuses to teach the Vedas <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/vedas#hinduism> to an outcaste person or to officiate in a sacrificial performance (apparently) undertaken by an outcaste person (ayājya). Then the dismissed priest shall, through the medium of spies under the guise of classmates (satri), instigate each minister, one after another, saying on oath, “This king is unrighteous; well, let us set up in his place another king who is righteous, or who is born of the same family as of this king, or who is kept imprisoned, or a neighbouring king of his family and of self-sufficiency (ekapragraha), or a wild chief (āṭavika <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/atavika#history>), or an upstart (aupapādika); this attempt is to the liking of all of us; what dost thou think?” If any one or all of the ministers refuse to acquiesce in such a measure, he or they shall be considered pure. This is what is called religious allurement. A commander of the army, dismissed from service for receiving condemnable things (asatpragraha), may, through the agency of spies under the guise of classmates (satri), incite each minister to murder the king in view of acquiring immense wealth, each minister being asked, “This attempt is to the liking of all of us; what dost thou think?” If they refuse to agree, they are to be considered pure. This is what is termed monetary allurement. A woman-spy, under the guise of an ascetic and highly esteemed in the harem of the king, may allure each prime minister (mahāmātra <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mahamatra#hinduism>), one after another, saying, “The queen is enamoured of thee and has made arrangements for thy entrance into her chamber; besides this, there is also the certainty of large acquisitions of wealth.” If they discard the proposal, they are pure. This is what is styled love allurement. With the intention of sailing on a commercial vessel (prahavaṇanimitta),[1] <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/kautilya-arthashastra/d/doc365588.html#note-e-127483> a minister may induce all other ministers to follow him. [17] Apprehensive of danger, the king may arrest them all. A spy, under the guise of a fraudulent disciple, pretending to have suffered imprisonment, may incite each of the ministers thus deprived of wealth and rank, saying, “The king has betaken himself to an unwise course; well, having murdered him, let us put another in his stead. We all like this; what dost thou think?” If they refuse to agree, they are pure. This is what is termed allurement under fear. Of these tried ministers, those whose character has been tested under religious allurements shall be employed in civil and criminal courts (dharmasthānīyakaṇtaka śodhaneṣu); those whose purity has been tested under monetary allurements shall be employed in the work of a revenue collector and chamberlain; those who have been tried under love allurements shall be appointed to superintend the pleasure grounds (vihāra <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/vihara#dharmashastra>), both external and internal; those who have been tested by allurements under fear shall be appointed to immediate service; and those whose character has been tested under all kinds of allurements shall be employed as prime ministers (mantriṇa), while those who are proved impure under one or all of these allurements shall be appointed in mines, timber and elephant forests, and manufactories. Teachers have decided that, in accordance with ascertained purity, the king shall employ in corresponding works those ministers whose character has been tested under the three pursuits of life, religion, wealth and love, and under fear.[2] <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/kautilya-arthashastra/d/doc365588.html#note-e-127484> Never, in the view of Kauṭilya <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/kautilya#hinduism>, shall the king make himself or his queen an object (lakṣa <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/laksha#hinduism>, butt) of testing the character of his councillors, nor shall he vitiate the pure, like water with poison. Sometimes the prescribed medicine may fail to reach the person of moral disease; the mind of the valiant, though naturally kept steadfast, may not, when once vitiated and repelled under the four kinds of allurements, return to and recover its original form. Hence having set up an external object as the butt for all the four [18] kinds of allurements, the king shall, through the agency of spies (satri), find out the pure or impure character of his ministers (amātya). [Thus ends Chapter X, “Ascertaining by Temptations Purity or Impurity in the Character of Ministers,” in Book I, “Concerning Discipline” of the Arthaśāstra <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/arthashastra#arthashastra> of Kauṭilya.] KR: Wonder why above? Economics is good; implementations might be bad. Nature if worshipped then hurting GOD may not be there but where the worshipping is not considered or it is practiced as a face mask, where will be the truth in reality? Kanban had written in Ramayanam: *1734.* *‘நதியின் பிழை அன்று நறும் புனல் இன்மை; அற்றே,பதியின் பிழை அன்று; பயந்து நமைப் புரந்தாள்மதியின் பிழை அன்று; மகன் பிழை அன்று; மைந்த!விதியின் பிழை; நீ இதற்கு என்னை வெகுண்டது?’ என்றான்.* *‘மைந்த!* - மகனே!; *நறும் புனல் இன்மை* - (என்றும் நீர் உள்ள ஆற்றிலே ஒரு சில காலங்களில்) நல்ல நீர் இல்லாமல் வற்றிப் போவது; *நதியின் பிழைஅன்று* -அவ் ஆற்றின் குற்றம் அன்று; *அற்றே* - அது போலவே; *பதியின் பிழைஅன்று* - (என்னைக் காடு செல்லும்படி சொன்னது) தந்தையின் குற்றம் அன்று; *பயந்துநமைப் புரந்தாள்* - (காடு செல்லும்படி வரம் வாங்கியது) பெற்று நம்மைக்காப்பாற்றிவளர்த்தவள் ஆகிய கைகேயியின்; *மதியின் பிழை அன்று* - அறிவினது குற்றமும் அன்று; *மகன் பிழை அன்று* - அவள் மகனாகிய பரதனது குற்றம் அன்று; *விதியின் பிழை*- விதியால் (நமது ஊழ்வினையால்) விளைந்த குற்றமே ஆகும். இங்ஙனம் இதனை ஆராயாது; *நீஇதற்கு வெகுண்டதுஎன்னை?’* - நீ இந்தச் செயலுக்கு இவர்களைக் காரணமாக்கிக் கோபித்தது ஏன்?’ *என்றான் -.* ஊழ்வினை செலுத்தத்தாயும் தந்தையும் அவ்வினையின் கருவியாக இருந்து செயல்பட்டனரேஅன்றி அவர்களாக நம்மேல் பகை கொண்டு செய்தாரில்லை. மழைநீர் வரத்து இன்மையால் சிலகாலம் ஆற்றில் நீர் வற்றுவது போல்வினைவலியால் பெற்றோர் அன்பின்மை உடையார் போலத் தோன்றுவர், அவ்வளவேஎன்றானாம். மூவரையும் தாயர் என ஒப்பக் கருதல் பற்றிக் ‘கைகேயியைப் பயந்து நமைப்புரந்தாள்’ என்றான் இராமன். *129* Economics and astrology or dharma have not changed anything to wronness; it is us as you heard in sai speech that committed culpable homicide. The english meaning of the above poem roughly is: Dryness of saraswati is not the fault of saraswati; it is not the mistake of Dasaratha that he was forced to ask us to go to the forest; it is that of Kakayi; not the mistake of Bhartha also; it is not mistake of the thinking; it is that of the FATE. sO lAKSMANA CONTROL YOUR ANGER SAID RAMA. KR IRS 11223 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Markendeya Yeddanapudi <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 at 08:39 Subject: Belief in Machines only To: ggroup <[email protected]>, thatha patty < [email protected]>, <[email protected]>, Satyanarayana Kunamneni <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, viswanatham vangapally <[email protected]>, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>, Ramamurti PV <[email protected]>, Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]>, Kunamneni Satyanarayana < [email protected]>, Ramu S <[email protected]>, Deepali Hadker < [email protected]>, Krishnamacharyulu Nanduri < [email protected]> -- *Mar*Belief In Machines Only Rene Descartes, the priest that created the mechanical approach called the scientific approach, said that every life form excepting the human is only a machine without any feelings, emotions and sensations of pain, pleasure etc. To give his scientific proof, he nailed big animals like horses, bulls etc to wooden logs, opened their entails, and separated every body system asserting that they are just mechanical components of the animal which is just a machine. But to the human, he made an exception. The human has feelings because God is residing in the pineal gland of the human only. And so the human has taken the crown as the agent of God, with all the powers of God. Even after the realization that every life form, from bacterium to whale is a form of every emotion, capable of feeling pain, pleasure and every emotion, still we created the economic man, the Newtonian machine in the place of the natural human. This human machine is given total freedom, because of the belief in Darwin who said that all life forms are at war with each other, and nature allows only the survival of the fittest or simply the rogue that destroys by consuming every other life form. The emotional man is being treated as extinct in economic science, because the word science flatters the ego of the economist, and devotion for business profit is made into the divine mission. Still as the human is not able to become the emotionless machine, we created the huge inanimate corporations, and artificial persons as legal entities or as legal persons, with all the rights of the natural human. Once a Judge sensed and felt to give judgements.But that human Judge is made extinct and we have the Judge Machines, who fix mechanically the codified acts, to give the mechanical judgments. The mechanical approach pervades every field. We have the teacher machines who drill the Newtonized and mechanized subjects, starting with definitions, scope and chapters as components, to students who are trained to mechanize their perception, understanding and learning without feeling that is by keeping their internal hormonal communication untouched by the lessons. The problem is emotions create hormones, and one enters the arena of the non Cartesian approach and emotions, the sins of science. We cyborged the students by making them dependent on computers, so that the computers do the learning, which allows the semi student machines, make the hormonal communication unneeded. And we have Chat GPT which can do every work and make every employee, including those in management redundant. While the economic man is busy making the Biosphere extinct, the chat GPTs are making even the cyborged creature the economic man extinct. But if all employments are eliminated, then there will be no incomes, no customers, no markets, simply no economic societies. We are entering the arena of ‘Redundance Multiplier’. The natural human is trying desperately to become the economic human. We desperately need a very big area for free nature, where there is no human tampering. But our Universities have courses in Chat GPT. Economics has become the science of extinction of every life form, including the human. 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