It is true and son in pages is a top position elsewhere. But take our group who side step the article I wrote but write in multiples because sujatha is known and famous so wants to be hypocrites. When I appeared for IIT entrance after scoring so high marks in SSLC I wrote the entrance 3 papers out of 4 well where I could score 80+ Whenever after exam we meet all who are coming out I heard 4th paper I gave almost a blank them saying they will score 90plus.mAt that age I was shaky and frustrated. So I gave almost a blank paper and came out of the hall thinking that I will not get it somehow and so why would I waste my time. And after reaching home my father asked me "How did I do it" Bluffing I said I may score 80%. My father said then cooly; then you are joining Madras IIT ; and said his friend cinema cameraman Sen gupta had told him that as his brother sen gupta the then dean of Madras IIT had 2 seats quota for him (then there were no regulations as are today) and the dean told his brother if I score 50% I will get a seat. Heaven was falling. I fought with my father WHY DID HE NOT TELL ME BEFORE? he told me 1 AS A BRIGHT STUDENT I SHOULD GET IT ON MERIT 2 WHY WOULD I BE SUPPRESSED TO ATTEMPT ONLY FOR 50% So brutally honest were my father too I did not lose anything I held classes in the colleges. I was allowed to get into a good position by Perumal and had no regrets. Nothing wrong if the judge is prosecuting the son. Only for people's sake Rama asked Sita to enter the fire. So many honest people are all around the earth who were never ever any hypocritical K R IRS 30124
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 at 08:05, Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Sri G K. > > I said " if true" just to be fair to Sujatha as I have not read this > before. > > Anyway, to sum up my main points again: > > 1. Sujatha had no business to sit on the interview panel when his son's > turn came to attend the interview. > > 2. From the write up it is not clear whether the company knew this and > still permitted it - because it is stated that neither the son acknowledged > his father nor did Sujatha acknowledge his son at the interview - IMPLYING > both the other persons on the panel also did not know the full facts. > > If this assumption of mine is correct, then it was highly unethical on > the part of Sujatha and the fact that Sujatha did not select his son does > not mitigate the seriousness of the misdemeanor or crime or any other word > one may prefer. > > Also, see from his son's point of view. It says Sujatha asked difficult > questions - I am not sure whether Sujatha asked all the interviewees the > difficult questions but reserved his tough questions only for his son. If > so, then it was grossly unfair to his son. > > Had his son been interviewed by another person, may be, just may be, > he would have been selected. How his progress would have been in the co > from then on, what people would have talked etc is totally irrelevant- if > Sujatha had really felt that people would have talked ill of his son ( > nepotism and not on merit etc etc) then the BEST THING would have been that > he had asked his son NOT EVEN to apply- why let him apply and all this > drama? Why allow things to develop when you know what the end story would > be like? > > I can't accept this and it is purely my opinion. Orhers are entitled to > their views as seen from the favourable comments posted there. I am the > odd man out, as happens most times. > > Sir, in my working life at the beginning of each year we have to give a > signed written statement mentioning whether we have any fiduciary or other > relationships with any vendors etc . > > When we sit on the Tender Board meetings we need to again give in writing > if we have any relationships with anybody who has participated in the > Tender and those whose bids we are evaluating. > > " Justice must not only be done BUT MUST ALSO SEEN TO BE DONE". > > Sujatha and his company, if they were aware of the father son > relationship, are seen ( by me atleast) as having failed to be seen as just > and fair. > > Sujatha particularly should have advised his son not to apply and if the > son did apply in spite of it, should have graciously excused himself from > the whole process when his son came for the interview after disclosing the > full facts. His son was an Eng graduate and should have known what he was > getting into, as his father would and should have advised him of the > consequences if the son had landed the job. > > I won't join the chorus who sing Sujatha's praise - see the comments. > > But then different people , different views, different standards, > different > everything and that's what life is all about. > > I pity Sujatha's son, if anything. > > N Sekar > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 6:27 PM 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Mr Sekar, >> >> I read both English Translation and Tamil original writing. In the >> forward by Mr Sridharan Trichy, there is *no mention about the poster*.* >> However persons commented are added, hence it may be considered as one >> original posting. * >> >> Checking authenticity from the persons alive may not be desirable. As >> you commented Sujatha might have intimated others in the interview board >> and *remained not participating in the interview for his son*. Or >> better he might have *asked his son not to attend the intervie*w, >> telling the facts to his son. >> >> Incidentally, Sujatha's younger brother was G >> *M, Tamilnadu circle, while I was working at Namakkal. * >> >> Gopalakrishnan >> >> On Tuesday, 30 January, 2024 at 05:44:29 pm IST, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> What you have narrated - IF TRUE, ONLY IF TRUE - as I don't know: >> >> The best thing that Sujatha should have, could have, done is NOT TO SIT >> ON THE INTERVIEW BOARD. >> >> It is a clear case of CONFLICT OF INTEREST and the company should not >> have allowed him to be part of the panel, if Sujatha had informed the >> company about his son being interviewed. >> >> If he had informed the company and the co still allowed him to be part of >> the panel, the entire team that okayed this deserves to be fired. >> >> I have a lot of liking and respect for Sujatha BUT this just is not the >> "done thing". >> >> Just because I like him does not mean I can approve of this conduct. >> Stringent action was called for and both the co ( if they were aware) and >> Sujatha do not come our with flying colors. >> >> See the other aspect- any other person might have selected his son based >> on merit and what his son's fortune would have been is a matter of >> conjecture. >> >> Sujatha did justice neither to his son nor to his company - in my opinion. >> >> N Sekar >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >> >> On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:20 PM, 'venkat giri' via iyer123 >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> *Respected Sir/s,* >> [image: Inline image] >> >> >> >> >> *Respected Sir/s,* >> >> SUBJECT:HONESTY MAY BE THE BEST POLICY ,*but what about* *'BRUTAL >> HONESTY*? >> >> --- >> >> "Honesty is the best policy" is a proverb of “Benjamin Franklin”, *while >> the quote "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom" is >> attributed to “Thomas Jefferson”, as used in a letter to Nathaniel Macon* >> >> ------ >> >> SUJATHA’s eldest son Rangaprasad has completed his engineering and >> has applied with the idea that he can join the same company where his >> father worked. The interview card has also arrived. To inform the father, >> he also concluded with, "Go and do well." >> >> Rangaprasad who went to the interview was shocked. His father sits >> in the middle of the three questioning officers. >> >> The interview started. He also did not pretend that Rangan was his >> son. The son also could not identify him as his father at that place. The >> problem was that while the other two were asking very formal questions, Dad >> was throwing out questions that were difficult to answer. >> >> The interview ends. >> >> The son returns home and narrates what happened to his mother. "Didn't >> you know the boy was coming? Shouldn't you tell him you're going to sit? >> Did you just ask the difficult questions? Let it go. What's the interview >> result, will he be selected or not?" Mrs. Sujata urges her husband. >> >> Sujata concludes with a single line, "This is an office >> matter. There is no need to discuss this with you." >> >> The result will come in a few days. >> >> Rangaprasad was not selected. >> >> Rangaprasad and another boy have got equal marks. Office leaves the >> final decision to Sujata , who chooses 'another boy'. >> >> An earthquake occurs at home. >> >> 'Did he do the right thing as a father?' The question in the >> family..."I will never talk to him again" the son turns his face away in >> anger at that time... >> >> Sujata says stubbornly, "The marks he has taken and his talent >> will definitely get him a great job elsewhere. Even if he joins here on his >> own merits, not for his skills and studies, he will be called as my son >> because he is my son. I don't want that name for my son," says Sujata. The >> family did not accept that reasonable answer. >> >> Mrs. Sujata narrated the whole incident to Amudavan, a fellow >> writer who had come to see her, "*ask what this man has done to his >> child,"* with more anger than ever about her husband. "He should have >> been an honest officer without speaking, *why should he behave like >> Gandhi" *he said in anger. >> >> Amudavan asked, "Sir, why should you reject your son for the sole >> reason that you have done the interview perfectly and have all the other >> qualifications and skills for the job?" >> >> Sujata said decisively, "No, my decision was right. He doesn't >> want any useless talk. Leave this subject alone. We will talk about >> something else." >> >> *நேர்மையே சிறந்த கொள்கை* >> >> சுஜாதா அவர்களின் மூத்த மகன் ரங்கபிரசாத் பொறியியல் முடித்துவிட்டு, அப்பா >> வேலை பார்த்த நிறுவனத்திலேயே வேலைக்குச் சேரலாம் என்ற எண்ணத்தில் விண்ணப்பம் >> செய்திருக்கிறார். இன்டர்வியூ கார்டும் வந்துவிட்டது. அப்பாவிடம் தெரிவிக்க, >> அவரும், "போய் நல்லா பண்ணிட்டு வா" என்பதுடன் முடித்துக் கொண்டார். >> >> >> >> இன்டர்வியூவுக்குப் போன ரங்கபிரசாத்துக்கு அதிர்ச்சி. கேள்வி கேட்கும் >> மூன்று அதிகாரிகளில் நடுநாயகமாக உட்காந்திருப்பவர் அவரது தந்தை. >> >> >> >> இன்டர்வியூ ஆரம்பித்தது. அவரும் ரங்கன் தன் மகன் என்று காட்டிக் >> கொள்ளவில்லை. மகனும் அவர் தன் தந்தை என்று அந்த இடத்தில் அடையாளப் >> படுத்திக்கொள்ள முடியவில்லை. பிரச்னை என்ன என்றால் மற்ற இருவரும் ரொம்பவும் >> சம்பிரதாயமான கேள்விகளைக் கேட்டுக் கொண்டிருக்க, அப்பா மட்டும் பதிலளிக்கச் >> சிரமமான கேள்விகளை வீசிக் கொண்டிருந்தார். >> >> இன்டர்வியூ முடிகிறது. >> >> வீட்டுக்கு வந்த மகன் தன் தாயாரிடம் நடந்ததை விவரிக்கிறார். "பிள்ளை >> வரப்போவது உங்களுக்குத் தெரியாதா? நீங்கள் உட்காரப்போவதை அவனுக்குச் >> சொல்லக் கூடாதா? நீங்க மட்டும் கஷ்டமான கேள்விகளைக் கேட்டீங்களாமே? சரி >> போகட்டும். இன்டர்வியூ ரிசல்ட் என்ன, இவன் தேர்வு செய்யப்படுவானா மாட்டானா?" >> என்று கணவரிடம் பொரிந்து தள்ளுகிறார் திருமதி சுஜாதா. >> >> "இதெல்லாம் ஆபிஸ் சம்பந்தப்பட்ட விஷயம். இதுபற்றியெல்லாம் உன்னிடம் >> விவாதிப்பதற்கில்லை" என்று ஒற்றை வரியுடன் முடித்துக் கொள்கிறார் சுஜாதா. >> >> சில நாட்களிலேயே முடிவு வருகிறது. *ரங்கபிரசாத் தேர்வு செய்யப்படவில்லை.* >> >> ரங்கபிரசாத்தும் இன்னொரு பையனும் சமமான மார்க் எடுத்திருக்கிறார்கள். யாரைத் >> தேர்ந்தெடுப்பது என்ற அலுவலக இறுதி முடிவு சுஜாதாவிடம் விடப்பட அந்த 'இன்னொரு >> பையனைத்' தேர்ந்தெடுக்கிறார் சுஜாதா. >> >> வீட்டில் பூகம்பம் உருவாகிறது. >> >> 'ஒரு தகப்பன் என்ற முறையில் அவர் செய்தது சரியா?' என்று குடும்பத்தில் >> கேள்வி..."இவருகிட்ட இனிப் பேசவே மாட்டேன்" என்று அப்போதைய கோபத்தில் முகம் >> திருப்பிக் கொள்ளும் மகன்... >> >> >> >> "இவன் எடுத்த மார்க்குக்கும் இவனுடைய திறமைக்கும் நிச்சயம் வேறு இடத்தில் >> பிரமாதமான வேலை கிடைக்கும். என்னதான் சொந்தத் திறமையிலே இங்கே சேர்ந்தாலும் >> இவனுடைய திறமைக்காகவும் படிப்புக்காகவும் இல்லாமல் என்னுடைய மகன் என்பதால் >> நானே சேர்த்துக் கொண்டேன் என்ற பெயர் தான் வரும். என்னுடைய பிள்ளைக்கு அந்தப் >> பெயர் வேண்டாம்" என்று பிடிவாதமாகச் சொல்கிறார் சுஜாதா. நியாயமான அந்த பதிலைக் >> குடும்பத்தினர் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ளவேயில்லை. >> >> பார்க்க வந்திருந்த சக எழுத்தாளரான அமுதவனிடம், கணவரைப் பற்றி எந்த >> நாளிலும் இல்லாத அளவு கோபத்துடன், திருமதி சுஜாதா அவர்கள், "இவரு தன்னுடைய >> பிள்ளைக்கு என்ன செய்திருக்கிறார் கேளுங்க" என்று நடந்த மொத்த விஷயத்தையும் >> விவரித்திருக்கிறார். "இவரு பேசாம ஒரு நேர்மையான அதிகாரியா நடந்திருக்க >> வேண்டியதுதானே, எதுக்காக காந்தி மாதிரி நடந்துக்கணும்" என்றார் கோபம் ஆறாத >> நிலையில். >> >> "இன்டர்வியூவை மிகச்சரியாகவே செய்து, வேலைக்கான மற்ற எல்லாத் தகுதிகளும் >> திறமையும் இருக்கும் போது உங்கள் மகன் என்று ஒரே காரணத்துக்காக எதுக்காக சார் >> மறுக்கணும்" என்று அமுதவன் கேட்க, >> >> "இல்லை நான் எடுத்த முடிவு சரியானது தான். வீணான அபவாதம் அவனுக்கு >> வேண்டாம். இந்த சப்ஜெக்டை இத்தோடு விட்ருங்க. நாம வேற ஏதாச்சும் பேசுவோம்" >> என்று தீர்மானமாக சொல்லி விட்டார் சுஜாதா >> >> COMMENTS: >> >> Sankaran Sundar >> >> When my son got the best outgoing student medal in the medical College in >> India he was accused of nepotism because he was my son so Sujatha s >> decision is very good >> >> Later my son moved to the UK and got the Best student award from >> the Royal College UK and he was vindicated as getting the award by his own >> merit >> >> Josephine Martin >> >> உண்மைதான்.மகனின் திறமை வெளிபடாமல் சலுகையில் வந்தவர் என்றுதான் விமர்சனம் >> வரும். >> >> Balaraman Chinnasamy >> >> ஆஹா, எங்கள் சுஜாதா. எவ்வளவு பெரிய அறிவாளி >> >> Klik Ravi >> >> *நானும் படித்திருக்கிறேன். **'**நேர்மையே உன் விலை என்ன**?' - **சுஜாதா!* >> >> *Rajagopalan Seeniappan* >> >> *மொரார்ஜி தேசாயைப் போன்ற நேர்மையாளர் எங்கள் சுஜாதா என்று பெருமைப்பட்டுக் >> கொள்வேன்* >> >> *Regards* >> >> *V.Sridharan* >> >> *Trichy* >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "iyer123" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/986673907.1692607.1706611764754%40mail.yahoo.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/986673907.1692607.1706611764754%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "iyer123" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/346123989.2177202.1706616833734%40mail.yahoo.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/346123989.2177202.1706616833734%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "iyer123" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/448093004.1731379.1706619386415%40mail.yahoo.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/448093004.1731379.1706619386415%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CABC81ZeanSRBAE0EEBC%2BPS339-z2TNvu4dVDQp5rcJKh2LhvtQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CABC81ZeanSRBAE0EEBC%2BPS339-z2TNvu4dVDQp5rcJKh2LhvtQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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