Religious treason is not wrt the sanathana where there is no religion by name Hinduism at all. As discussed elsewhere a long time ago, the science , the law, the system and religious texts are not incorrect; they said only the right thing; suppose your bank wrongly deducted tax at source without learning properly the intentions, whose fault is that? We all say it is the system fault; is that correct? How can an inanimate subject be at default? So too jihadis are in existence everywhere; and in order to grab their supremacy which itself is a default and failure, we blame the inanimate objects. Treasons of the individuals are attributed to the religions. KR IRS 31124
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 at 22:25, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < [email protected]> wrote: > Godse was a reputed and established Marathi Journalist,editor of a > magazine with wide circulation. > YM > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 10:34 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Nayagan kamala hassen film in which there is a dialogue: NAAN NALLAVANA >> KETTAVANA TERIYALLIYE. All are not hypocrite sir. One who stay back, one >> who acts against, one who feels hurt. one who thinks his supramacy alone >> are hypocrites. One who talks with gullible-treahery (NEE MALLAYIRUPPE >> ASEERVADHAM STYLE) is a villain pure. One who openely writes and speaks iss >> never a hypocrite. So why nathuram shot Gandhi spoken in the court ? >> This statement by Nathuram was published by Gopal Godse in a Marathi book >> titled *Gandhi Hatya Ani Mi* or “Gandhi’s Murder and I” subsequent to >> his release from jail. Before its publication as a book, the statement had >> already been serialised in a Marathi magazine called *Painjan*. On 6 >> December 1967, its publication was banned. >> >> Gopal Godse filed a writ against the ban in the Bombay High Court and a >> three-judge bench in its verdict on 6 August 1989 lifted the ban. Not only >> has this book continued to be published, but versions with different names >> and all kinds of alterations are also widely publicised and sold. To >> cite an example, a “Bhagat Singh Vichar Manch” published a version in 2019 >> titled *Maine Gandhi Vadh Kyon Kiya* (“Why I Killed Gandhi”). The book, >> apart from Nathuram’s statement in the court, contains “glimpses” of his >> supposed correspondence (whose sources cannot be verified) and a separate >> section to demonstrate the innocence of Savarkar in the matter. This >> particular section, aside from several unverified instances, broadly >> repeats the facts as put out by Malgonkar. Interestingly, the high praise >> of Savarkar here has inadvertently verified the allegation that he used to >> cross-check the statements made by Godse. The anonymous editor writes: >> >> “Nathuram himself wrote what he had to say in Marathi which later would >> be translated into English. Nathuram had a wish that Savarkar would >> contribute some parts. Savarkar ji would reply – I do not need to write >> anything on your behalf. Show me what you write and if need be, I shall >> suggest changes.” he editor, letting his imagination run riot, has >> concluded that Godse could not speak English, when in fact all his >> statements to the court are in English. The version published by Hind >> Pocket Books, titled *Gandhi Vadh Kyon* (“Why the Gandhi Murder”) could >> be considered the most authentic. This version is copyrighted by Gopal >> Godse and I have used the same for the basis of my arguments. There is >> another version, published under the same title by Rashtrahitaishi >> Prakashan, Chennai. >> >> Why I killed Gaandhi? "In fact, honour, duty and love of one’s own kith >> and >> kin and country might often compel us to disregard nonviolence >> and to use force. I could never conceive that an >> armed resistance to an aggression is unjust. I would consider >> it a religious and moral duty to resist and, if possible, to >> overpower such an enemy by use of force [In the Ramayana]. >> [In the Mahabharata] Rama killed Ravana in a tumultuous >> fight and relieved Sita. >> Krishna killed Kansa to end his wickedness; and Arjuna >> had to fight and slay quite a number of his friends and relations >> including the revered Bhishma because the latter >> was on the side of the aggressor. It is my firm belief that in >> dubbing Rama, Krishna and Arjuna as guilty of violence, the >> Mahatma betrayed a total ignorance of the springs of human >> action. >> In more recent history, it was the heroic fight put up >> by Chhatrapati Shivaji that first checked and eventually destroyed >> the Muslim tyranny in India. It was absolutely essentially >> for Shivaji to overpower and kill an aggressive Afzal >> Khan, failing which he would have lost his own life. In >> condemning history’s towering warriors like Shivaji, Rana >> Pratap and Guru Gobind Singh as misguided patriots, Gandhiji >> has merely exposed his self-conceit. He was, paradoxical >> as it may appear, a violent pacifist who brought untold >> calamities on the country in the name of truth and nonviolence, >> while Rana Pratap, Shivaji and the Guru will remain >> enshrined in the hearts of their countrymen forever for >> the freedom they brought to them. >> 5 >> WHY I KILLED GANDHI >> The accumulating provocation of thirty-two years, culminating >> in his last pro-Muslim fast, at last goaded me to the >> conclusion that the existence of Gandhi should be brought >> to an end immediately. Gandhi had done very good in South >> Africa to uphold the rights and well-being of the Indian community >> there. But when he finally returned to India he developed >> a subjective mentality under which he alone was to >> be the final judge of what was right or wrong. If the country >> wanted his leadership, it had to accept his infallibility; if it >> did not, he would stand aloof from the Congress and carry >> on his own way. >> Against such an attitude there can be no halfway house. >> Either Congress had to surrender its will to his and had to >> be content with playing second fiddle to all his eccentricity, >> whimsicality, metaphysics and primitive vision, or it had >> to carry on without him. He alone was the Judge of everyone >> and everything; he was the master brain guiding the >> civil disobedience movement; no other could know the technique >> of that movement. He alone knew when to begin and >> when to withdraw it. The movement might succeed or fail, >> it might bring untold disaster and political reverses but that >> could make no difference to the Mahatma’s infallibility. ‘A >> Satyagrahi can never fail’ was his formula for declaring his >> own infallibility and nobody except himself knew what a >> Satyagrahi is. Thus, the Mahatma became the judge and jury >> in his own cause. These childish insanities and obstinacies, >> coupled with a most severe austerity of life, ceaseless work >> and lofty character made Gandhi formidable and irresistible. >> Many people thought that his politics were irrational >> 6 >> WHY I KILLED GANDHI >> but they had either to withdraw from the Congress or place >> their intelligence at his feet to do with as he liked. In a position >> of such absolute irresponsibility Gandhi was guilty >> of blunder after blunder, failure after failure, disaster after >> disaster. Gandhi’s pro-Muslim policy is blatantly in his perverse >> attitude on the question of the national language of >> India. It is quite obvious that Hindi has the most prior claim >> to be accepted as the premier language. In the beginning >> of his career in India, Gandhi gave a great impetus to Hindi >> but as he found that the Muslims did not like it, he became a >> champion of what is called Hindustani. Everybody in India >> knows that there is no language called Hindustani; it has >> no grammar; it has no vocabulary. It is a mere dialect, it is >> spoken, but not written. It is a bastard tongue and crossbreed >> between Hindi and Urdu, and not even the Mahatma’s >> sophistry could make it popular. But in his desire to please >> the Muslims he insisted that Hindustani alone should be the >> national language of India. His blind followers, of course, >> supported him and the so-called hybrid language began to >> be used. The charm and purity of the Hindi language was >> to be prostituted to please the Muslims. All his experiments >> were at the expense of the Hindus. >> From August 1946 onwards the private armies of the >> Muslim League began a massacre of the Hindus. The then >> Viceroy, Lord Wavell, though distressed at what was happening, >> would not use his powers under the Government >> of India Act of 1935 to prevent the rape, murder and arson. >> The Hindu blood began to flow from Bengal to Karachi with >> some retaliation by the Hindus. The Interim Government >> 7 >> WHY I KILLED GANDHI >> formed in September was sabotaged by its Muslim League >> members right from its inception, but the more they became >> disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they >> were a part, the greater was Gandhi’s infatuation for them. >> Lord Wavell had to resign as he could not bring about a settlement >> and he was succeeded by Lord Mountbatten. King >> Log was followed by King Stork. The Congress which had >> boasted of its nationalism and socialism secretly accepted >> Pakistan literally at the point of the bayonet and abjectly >> surrendered to Jinnah. India was vivisected and one-third of >> the Indian territory became foreign land to us from August >> 15, 1947. >> Lord Mountbatten came to be described in Congress >> circles as the greatest Viceroy and Governor-General this >> country ever had. The official date for handing over power >> was fixed for June 30, 1948, but Mountbatten with his ruthless >> surgery gave us a gift of vivisected India ten months >> in advance. This is what Gandhi had achieved after thirty >> years of undisputed dictatorship and this is what Congress >> party calls ‘freedom’ and ‘peaceful transfer of power’. The >> Hindu–Muslim unity bubble was finally burst and a theocratic >> state was established with the consent of Nehru and >> his crowd and they have called ‘freedom won by them with >> sacrifice’ – whose sacrifice? When top leaders of Congress, >> with the consent of Gandhi, divided and tore the country – >> which we consider a deity of worship – my mind was filled >> with direful anger. >> One of the conditions imposed by Gandhi for his breaking >> of the fast unto death related to the mosques in Delhi >> 8 >> WHY I KILLED GANDHI >> occupied by the Hindu refugees. But when Hindus in Pakistan >> were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much >> as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan >> Government or the Muslims concerned. Gandhi was shrewd >> enough to know that while undertaking a fast unto death, >> had he imposed for its break some condition on the Muslims >> in Pakistan, there would have been found hardly any >> Muslims who could have shown some grief if the fast had >> ended in his death. It was for this reason that he purposely >> avoided imposing any condition on the Muslims. He was >> fully aware of from the experience that Jinnah was not at all >> perturbed or influenced by his fast and the Muslim League >> hardly attached any value to the inner voice of Gandhi. >> Gandhi is being referred to as the Father of the Nation. >> But if that is so, he had failed his paternal duty inasmuch as >> he has acted very treacherously to the nation by his consenting >> to the partitioning of it. I stoutly maintain that Gandhi >> has failed in his duty. He has proved to be the Father of Pakistan. >> His inner-voice, his spiritual power and his doctrine >> of non-violence of which so much is made of, all crumbled >> before Jinnah’s iron will and proved to be powerless. Briefly >> speaking, I thought to myself and foresaw I shall be totally >> ruined, and the only thing I could expect from the people >> would be nothing but hatred and that I shall have lost all >> my honour, even more valuable than my life, if I were to kill >> Gandhiji. But at the same time I felt that the Indian politics >> in the absence of Gandhiji would surely be proved practical, >> able to retaliate, and would be powerful with armed forces. >> No doubt, my own future would be totally ruined, but the >> 9 >> WHY I KILLED GANDHI >> nation would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan. People >> may even call me and dub me as devoid of any sense or >> foolish, but the nation would be free to follow the course >> founded on the reason which I consider to be necessary for >> sound nation-building. >> After having fully considered the question, I took the >> final decision in the matter, but I did not speak about it to >> anyone whatsoever. I took courage in both my hands and I >> did fire the shots at Gandhiji on 30th January 1948, on the >> prayer-grounds of Birla House. I do say that my shots were >> fired at the person whose policy and action had brought rack >> and ruin and destruction to millions of Hindus. There was no >> legal machinery by which such an offender could be brought >> to book and for this reason I fired those fatal shots. I bear no >> ill will towards anyone individually but I do say that I had >> no respect for the present government owing to their policy >> which was unfairly favourable towards the Muslims. But at >> the same time I could clearly see that the policy was entirely >> due to the presence of Gandhi. >> I have to say with great regret that Prime Minister Nehru >> quite forgets that his preaching’s and deeds are at times >> at variances with each other when he talks about India as >> a secular state in season and out of season, because it is >> significant to note that Nehru has played a leading role in >> the establishment of the theocratic state of Pakistan, and >> his job was made easier by Gandhi’s persistent policy of >> appeasement towards the Muslims. I now stand before the >> court to accept the full share of my responsibility for what I >> have done and the judge would, of course, pass against me >> 10 >> WHY I KILLED GANDHI >> such orders of sentence as may be considered proper. But I >> would like to add that I do not desire any mercy to be shown >> to me, nor do I wish that anyone else should beg for mercy >> on my behalf. My confidence about the moral side of my >> action has not been shaken even by the criticism levelled >> against it on all sides. I have no doubt that honest writers >> of history will weigh my act and find the true value thereof >> some day in future. >> 11xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> In the court he said."In his court deposition, Godse said, "*I thought >> to myself and foresaw I shall be totally ruined, and the only thing I could >> expect from the people would be nothing but hatred ... if I were to kill >> Gandhiji. But at the same time I felt that the Indian politics in the >> absence of Gandhiji would surely be proved practical, able to retaliate, >> and would be powerful with armed forces. No doubt, my own future would be >> totally ruined, but the nation would be saved from the inroads of >> Pakistan.'"* >> >> *The cat is already out of te bag. Killing Gandhi is not pardonable. But >> if killers can reep pleasure for 25 yrs in Raiv killing, why Nathuram was >> hanged? KR IRS 30124* >> >> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 at 05:09, Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <[email protected]> >>> Date: Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 4:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [iyer123] NATHURAM GODSE >>> To: <[email protected]>, Kerala Iyer < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> That was because he considered killing M K Gandhi a sacred duty ( >>> Jihadis also do for religious teasons but target general public, any non >>> muslim population, as their Book talks them all non muslims are " kafirs") >>> and hence embraced death with a smile. >>> >>> His speech at the Court as to why he did what he did was banned from >>> being publicized by the "so called great free press champion Nehru" - he >>> thought publicizing them will sway the public opinion in Godse's favour. >>> >>> I read his defence a few years back. >>> >>> I know there will be some here who will react with horror, mostly acting >>> - pretending to be supporters of anti violence, though they may feel >>> otherwise in their hearts. >>> >>> We are all hypocrites sir, we say what is politically correct and NOT >>> what our true feelings are. >>> >>> N Sekar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 3:35 PM, 'venkat giri' via iyer123 >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> [image: Inline image] >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/168805001.1677454.1706609099395%40mail.yahoo.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/168805001.1677454.1706609099395%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/822893674.2163165.1706612775893%40mail.yahoo.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/822893674.2163165.1706612775893%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CABC81Zc5%2Bk%3DH7eRh0-kANMd%2Bju0%2BHxL4omPun5ZtaWVZiQnGvw%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CABC81Zc5%2Bk%3DH7eRh0-kANMd%2Bju0%2BHxL4omPun5ZtaWVZiQnGvw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Thatha_Patty" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZooNMOG6q1fG5S%3DyL1cNJ%3DF1h_t0t3kmEhJOLyW1oJsqTA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZooNMOG6q1fG5S%3DyL1cNJ%3DF1h_t0t3kmEhJOLyW1oJsqTA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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